Members Jess Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 Oh well so much for the idea of printing the link. You know, I never did like all the conservative conspiracy theories against the Clintons. The conservatives bringing up Vince Foster's suicide really gets under my skin. I also don't like calling her a bitch. That being said, the right wingers turn on you pretty quick. One day on Fox with O'Reilly, the next castigated in a shrill column. I guess they have decided they don't need her any more. Right wingers are just mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 LOL she really wants to be on that ticket...and who can blame her? She can make history in five months I mean they just need to be the ticket-Hillarack forever!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 I have a question mark about Vince Foster as well. But I do agree about the name calling. She can stay in the race as long as she wants to. Once he makes 2118, no one will be paying much attention to her. I think all three candidates are scheduled to speak at an event on Wednesday which may garner her a mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 And I posted that just for people to see who she decided to align herself with at one point. A cabinet post is the only thing he can offer her. She hasn't shown she can get anything else and actually help the party get back to the WH. You see folks still put his name second even though he's the one winning the nomination. Some still don't have enough respect for the man to even give him that...... But expect me to look the other way at some of the stuff that campaign has done. If it's about the country, she will accept whatever he offers her. And if she doesn't....... Then I guess I truly have my answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 I just read a little while ago that polarizer has a new ad out in SD with her popular vote claim. Maybe she thinks the people in SD are all incapable of doing math or that they all care. I thought that argument was supposed to be to the super delegates but since that massive rally worked so well for her yesterday, I guess she wants to enrage some more women into shaking down the party for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Southofnowhere Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 If she doesn't dropout by next week and support Obama the party is going to turn on her BIGTIME and her Poltical career will be over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 The Clintons did not kill Vince Foster. That is a given no matter what the neocons try to spin it By next week, the race can still be going on with superdelegates making up their mind. She will support whoever the nominee is, whether it be Obama or herself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 I don't think they'll turn on her, but she is now doing damage to her forseeable future. She needs to get out of the mindset that the party is going to ruin their chances by choosing her. It's done. Period. And by the way she's acting now........she is almost making it impossible to become a VP running mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 The Clintons had nothing to do with killing Vince Foster. It was suicide. The neocons play no small part in that either. He was unstable and the WSJ treated him incredibly unfair and was just brutal. The Clintons probably should have seen he was troubled, but Bill was in the early days of his presidency. The only think the Clintons did was put someone in a position that he was not emotionally or intellectually prepared to handle at that time. Hillary really is risking her own political future right now. Bill has already sacrificed a part of his. Democrats in the Senate and in the House, as well as elected officials throughout the country are being effected by her too. Her ads and her ongoing comments that Obama can't win are doing damage. When I heard that her fan club was chanting McCain McCain at the Rules Committee, I was just stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 That's on them. If their dislike for Obama causes them to elect JM........they get what they deserve. June 2 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton's uphill bid for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination suffered further blows after a compromise in a dispute over Michigan and Florida delegates barely enabled her to chip into Barack Obama's commanding lead -- and low turnout in Puerto Rico ended any chance of winning the popular vote overall. With just two primaries remaining tomorrow, Obama is almost certain to win the nomination even with Clinton's 2-to-1 victory in Puerto Rico yesterday. The Obama camp said it expects this week to get the 2,118 delegates needed to clinch the nomination at the Democrats' August convention, and many experts agree. ``It's more than likely that within a week or two that Senator Obama will have enough votes to claim that he's going to be the nominee,'' Democratic Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, who is neutral in the race, said on CBS's ``Face the Nation'' yesterday. ``Her candidacy is dead,'' said Julian Zelizer, a public- affairs professor at Princeton University in New Jersey. Coming into the weekend, Clinton trailed Obama by 200 delegates. A party compromise on seating delegates from the uncontested races in Michigan and Florida, which were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries, netted Clinton little more than two-dozen pledged delegates. Under the ruling, each delegate from the two states will get a half a vote. New York Senator Clinton's win in Puerto Rico put her on track to pick up about two-thirds of the 55 delegates at stake there. Delegate Count Overall, she may have had a net gain of as many as 50 delegates over the weekend, leaving her at least 150 behind Obama, an Illinois senator. There are just 31 pledged delegates at stake in tomorrow's contests in South Dakota and Montana, making Clinton's task next to impossible. Moreover, all of the movement of so-called superdelegates -- who are drawn from party leaders and lawmakers and aren't bound by voters' preferences -- is toward Obama. He picked up endorsements from two more superdelegates today and has at least 2,072 delegates overall, 46 shy of the number needed for the nomination; Clinton has at least 1,914. There are fewer than 200 uncommitted superdelegates, and most are likely to go to Obama, along with the majority of those from Montana and South Dakota. Popular Vote Clinton's supporters argue that she is winning the popular vote. Yet going into Puerto Rico, she trailed Obama by more than 275,000 votes. Those figures include the votes in Florida, where the candidates agreed not to campaign. They don't include the results from Michigan, where the candidates didn't campaign and Obama took his name off the ballot. In Puerto Rico, Clinton scored a net gain of fewer than 150,000 votes, leaving Obama with an overall lead of 125,000, more than enough to offset any gains she may make in South Dakota or Montana. Clinton yesterday continued to predict she would win the most popular votes, though such assertions aren't likely to carry much weight after this weekend. ``I will lead in the popular vote; he will maintain a slight lead in the delegates,'' she said at a rally in San Juan, Puerto Rico, adding that the race would come down to the superdelegates. While vowing to fight on, she hinted that could change. ``I'm sort of a day-at-a-time person,'' she told reporters aboard her campaign plane after the Puerto Rico primary. ``We'll see when Tuesday and the day after Tuesday comes.'' Unity Pledge Obama, 46, has taken on the air of a general-election candidate. Speaking at a rally in Mitchell, South Dakota, he said he called Clinton, 60, to congratulate her. He said the Democrats would be able to put their differences aside in time to take on the presumptive Republican nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona. Clinton ``is going to be a great asset when we go on to November to make sure we defeat the Republicans,'' Obama said. The Democratic Party committee's ruling May 31 to give the Florida and Michigan delegations half a vote was a disappointment for the Clinton campaign. Clinton supporters said they were satisfied with the Florida decision. They raised the prospect of a floor fight at the convention over the way the Michigan dispute was resolved, saying Obama was awarded too many delegates. Michigan Results Clinton's campaign chairman, Terence McAuliffe, left open the possibility that the senator would ask the convention credentials committee to overturn the decision on the Michigan delegates. ``We are going to keep our options open,'' he said yesterday on ABC's ``This Week'' program. McAuliffe wouldn't say whether Clinton would concede if Obama wins enough delegates this week to reach the 2,118 threshold. Obama's communications director, Robert Gibbs, predicted the contest may soon be over. ``Sometime this week, we'll probably have a nominee for the Democratic Party,'' Gibbs said on ``This Week.'' Obama has picked up more than three times as many superdelegate endorsements as Clinton in the past three months. At the start of the nominating contests Jan. 3, Clinton had 169 superdelegate endorsements to Obama's 63, according to the Associated Press. ``It's pretty clear that once we get past the primaries, Obama will be very close to the new magic number,'' said David Redlawsk, a political-science professor at the University of Iowa. ``The pressure is on superdelegates to announce.'' To contact the reporter on this story: Catherine Dodge in Washington, at [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080602...rg/ahlnmxv6fzhk Clinton Puerto Rico Win Doesn't Revive Nomination Bid Catherine Dodge1 hour, 50 minutes ago June 2 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton's uphill bid for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination suffered further blows after a compromise in a dispute over Michigan and Florida delegates barely enabled her to chip into Barack Obama's commanding lead -- and low turnout in Puerto Rico ended any chance of winning the popular vote overall. With just two primaries remaining tomorrow, Obama is almost certain to win the nomination even with Clinton's 2-to-1 victory in Puerto Rico yesterday. The Obama camp said it expects this week to get the 2,118 delegates needed to clinch the nomination at the Democrats' August convention, and many experts agree. ``It's more than likely that within a week or two that Senator Obama will have enough votes to claim that he's going to be the nominee,'' Democratic Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, who is neutral in the race, said on CBS's ``Face the Nation'' yesterday. ``Her candidacy is dead,'' said Julian Zelizer, a public- affairs professor at Princeton University in New Jersey. Coming into the weekend, Clinton trailed Obama by 200 delegates. A party compromise on seating delegates from the uncontested races in Michigan and Florida, which were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries, netted Clinton little more than two-dozen pledged delegates. Under the ruling, each delegate from the two states will get a half a vote. New York Senator Clinton's win in Puerto Rico put her on track to pick up about two-thirds of the 55 delegates at stake there. Delegate Count Overall, she may have had a net gain of as many as 50 delegates over the weekend, leaving her at least 150 behind Obama, an Illinois senator. There are just 31 pledged delegates at stake in tomorrow's contests in South Dakota and Montana, making Clinton's task next to impossible. Moreover, all of the movement of so-called superdelegates -- who are drawn from party leaders and lawmakers and aren't bound by voters' preferences -- is toward Obama. He picked up endorsements from two more superdelegates today and has at least 2,072 delegates overall, 46 shy of the number needed for the nomination; Clinton has at least 1,914. There are fewer than 200 uncommitted superdelegates, and most are likely to go to Obama, along with the majority of those from Montana and South Dakota. Popular Vote Clinton's supporters argue that she is winning the popular vote. Yet going into Puerto Rico, she trailed Obama by more than 275,000 votes. Those figures include the votes in Florida, where the candidates agreed not to campaign. They don't include the results from Michigan, where the candidates didn't campaign and Obama took his name off the ballot. In Puerto Rico, Clinton scored a net gain of fewer than 150,000 votes, leaving Obama with an overall lead of 125,000, more than enough to offset any gains she may make in South Dakota or Montana. Clinton yesterday continued to predict she would win the most popular votes, though such assertions aren't likely to carry much weight after this weekend. ``I will lead in the popular vote; he will maintain a slight lead in the delegates,'' she said at a rally in San Juan, Puerto Rico, adding that the race would come down to the superdelegates. While vowing to fight on, she hinted that could change. ``I'm sort of a day-at-a-time person,'' she told reporters aboard her campaign plane after the Puerto Rico primary. ``We'll see when Tuesday and the day after Tuesday comes.'' Unity Pledge Obama, 46, has taken on the air of a general-election candidate. Speaking at a rally in Mitchell, South Dakota, he said he called Clinton, 60, to congratulate her. He said the Democrats would be able to put their differences aside in time to take on the presumptive Republican nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona. Clinton ``is going to be a great asset when we go on to November to make sure we defeat the Republicans,'' Obama said. The Democratic Party committee's ruling May 31 to give the Florida and Michigan delegations half a vote was a disappointment for the Clinton campaign. Clinton supporters said they were satisfied with the Florida decision. They raised the prospect of a floor fight at the convention over the way the Michigan dispute was resolved, saying Obama was awarded too many delegates. Michigan Results Clinton's campaign chairman, Terence McAuliffe, left open the possibility that the senator would ask the convention credentials committee to overturn the decision on the Michigan delegates. ``We are going to keep our options open,'' he said yesterday on ABC's ``This Week'' program. McAuliffe wouldn't say whether Clinton would concede if Obama wins enough delegates this week to reach the 2,118 threshold. Obama's communications director, Robert Gibbs, predicted the contest may soon be over. ``Sometime this week, we'll probably have a nominee for the Democratic Party,'' Gibbs said on ``This Week.'' Obama has picked up more than three times as many superdelegate endorsements as Clinton in the past three months. At the start of the nominating contests Jan. 3, Clinton had 169 superdelegate endorsements to Obama's 63, according to the Associated Press. ``It's pretty clear that once we get past the primaries, Obama will be very close to the new magic number,'' said David Redlawsk, a political-science professor at the University of Iowa. ``The pressure is on superdelegates to announce.'' To contact the reporter on this story: Catherine Dodge in Washington, at [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GHJunkie4Life Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 So in the end was it really worth it for Hilary? She's still going to lose. And to make it worse she's burned a lot of bridges and a lot of doors that would have remained open to her if she had simply acted with some class (same goes for Bill although I doubt he cares since he's held the position before). I mean theres no way in hell Obama will pick to be VP. I highly doubt he'll even consider her for a cabinet position. Shes just way to much trouble and obviously can't be a team player. Maybe if she's lucky she'll get Senate Majority in a few years or something? Lol just watching her victory in PR last night made me lol. She's truly lost her marbles. That smile is scary. Its just so plastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 If they didn't know him very well then it's a minor thing. If they knew him well then maybe they should have used better judgment but that's neither here nor there since you can't go back. I said I have a question mark about Vince Foster as well and I do but I probably should have said I had instead of have since this isn't something I think about. Considering how much the Clintons have to gain if they can sway super delegates with their arguments and woo some away from Obama, the risk they're taking has to be well worth it to them. Maybe they're banking on people having short term memory when it comes to the negative aspects of their campaigning. The real damage to Obama would come from her implications that she was somehow robbed of the nomination. The argument she uses to substantiate that claim is the popular vote total which is weakened not only by the method used to obtain it but by her inability to specifically state by how many votes she won the popular vote. Since there are people who dispute her claim, she basically only angers those supporters that buy into it and she irritates people who don't care for her implications or methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 He might consider her for a cabinet position. He would probably consider her for VP if she wasn't married to who she's married to. But for those who still feel that the party is truly going to cut their throats, overturn everything and give her the nom..... I have some beach-front property in St. Louis to sell you. As for the PV, HI said on MTP that they get their numbers from the AP. There is a article from the AP saying that their numbers are flawed. So, once again......whose lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted June 2, 2008 Members Share Posted June 2, 2008 Sources: Most uncommitted senators to endorse Obama Posted: 11:20 AM ET Most of the 17 senators who remain uncommitted will announce their support of Obama, CNN has learned. WASHINGTON (CNN) — Most of the seventeen Democratic senators who have remained uncommitted throughout the primaries will endorse Barack Obama for president this week, CNN has learned. Sources familiar with discussions between Obama supporters and these senators tell CNN’s Gloria Borger that the senators will wait until after the South Dakota and Montana primaries to announce their support for Obama. Two sources familiar with the sessions said the endorsements will come sometime later this week. Obama supporters have been “pressing” for these superdelegates to endorse earlier in the week, but according to one source, “the senators don’t want to pound Hillary Clinton, and there is a sense she should be given a grace period.” A series of meetings on the topic have been facilitated at different times by Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin. Durbin and Daschle are Obama supporters, while Harkin is uncommitted. According to CNN’s Candy Crowley, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will remain uncommitted until Clinton officially drops out of the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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