This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Secretary Of State or Defense.

The talk seems to be about AG or be advisor on Poverty.

The Plan seems to be for Obama to have lot's of big name advisors like Al Gore ,Jimmy Carter and etc.

If he isn't VP i think Bill Richardson is a lock for SOS and we could see Sen.Jim Webb or Gen.Wes Clark as SOD.

Devoted, your math changes every single post. I need a damn dictionary to look up all the different ways she's either leading or has won this race....

Even though she's losing in every single category.

You're the one who keeps posting about these numbers of hers.......and you don't post the links to these numbers or post the articles they came from.

So what am I supposed to believe?

First, I did not even mention any numbers or stats in the post that merits your reply. I think in the category of attracing the most people she is leading there but that is up for debate.

I said that her 100% approval rating with NARAL is at her profile on Wikipedia...and the numbers for, if she gets MI and FL with Obama's agreement (and I posted that article about how he is willing to compromise. I can't see any other compromise outside of seating those delegates...the compromise sounds like it will go through negotiatons. And nobody beats the Clintons in negotiating), are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opi...nd_polling_data

They have the delegates allocated from MI and FL to Obama and Hillary...I don't know where the "other" delegates (in the other column) are going to go but odds are most to Hillary since she won big in both states.

It is ridiculous they would hold prayer as if it would save the ER, which it won't. I won't hold it against her

We can both afford not to hold it against her since it has no effect on either one of her. I just can't say she's great at her job if that's her contribution to resolving the problem.

I am not sure on bylaws, although I did volunteer a couple of times for NARAL...I am sure they can have another process where they deliberate on whether or not to endorse Hillary Clinton.

I don't get why you're questioning this. They endorsed Obama which means they made up their minds and it's a non issue.

As far as the compromise on MI and FL goes, I thought Obama was okay with a split a long time ago and Clinton was not. Then there was the plus 10 in her favor which she nixed. The only compromise in which she seems interested is the one which gives her exactly what she wants which isn't really a compromise. Just like she changes the goal posts at will.

What is the point of signing a specific agreement about rules if you're only going to want to change the rules to be beneficial to you?

The talk seems to be about AG or be advisor on Poverty.

The Plan seems to be for Obama to have lot's of big name advisors like Al Gore ,Jimmy Carter and etc.

If he isn't VP i think Bill Richardson is a lock for SOS and we could see Sen.Jim Webb or Gen.Wes Clark as SOD.

I want Edwards to be on as Attorney General. Both Obama and Hillary would be more than happy to nominate him for that post. He would easily get confirmed by the Senate.

That is a good thing that Gore and Carter are going to be advisors for the next administration...Gore can be instrumental on adapting a pro environment strategy (even better than President Clinton's very positive environment agenda) while Carter discusses policy aimed at world peace.

Richardson should be back in the Cabinet...no argument from me. Wes Clark also has credentials to be the Defense Secretary.

We can both afford not to hold it against her since it has no effect on either one of her. I just can't say she's great at her job if that's her contribution to resolving the problem.

I don't get why you're questioning this. They endorsed Obama which means they made up their minds and it's a non issue.

As far as the compromise on MI and FL goes, I thought Obama was okay with a split a long time ago and Clinton was not. Then there was the plus 10 in her favor which she nixed. The only compromise in which she seems interested is the one which gives her exactly what she wants which isn't really a compromise. Just like she changes the goal posts at will.

What is the point of signing a specific agreement about rules if you're only going to want to change the rules to be beneficial to you?

There are other problems that Waters can easily solve as a congresswoman and odds are she has resolved many.

They did endorse Obama but I am wondering if they can also endorse Clinton and hold another meeting about it. She is obviously the best candidate for women's rights.

I don't know if Obama was willing to allow MI and FL before but odds are he was not. Now, he changed his mind because it appears that he is willing to compromise through negotiating with the Clintons...and the Clintons always win negotiations. What if Obama also wants her as president? Maybe he thinks he would be better off having more experience as VP and then being president.

The agreement is also not bound by the DNC...they can reject it. But they will both agree to the DNC's decision. But Obama seems willing to compromise and that could just tell the DNC to give it up and go by what they agree on and seat the delegates

The talk seems to be about AG or be advisor on Poverty.

I think AG but I like the poverty advisor. He seems really enthused about reducing it.

I have a question..is Poverty Advisor like Secretary of Health and Human Services or is it another cabinet post I have not heard of yet?

I have a question..is Poverty Advisor like Secretary of Health and Human Services or is it another cabinet post I have not heard of yet?

It doesn't exist.

First, I did not even mention any numbers or stats in the post that merits your reply. I think in the category of attracing the most people she is leading there but that is up for debate.

I said that her 100% approval rating with NARAL is at her profile on Wikipedia...and the numbers for, if she gets MI and FL with Obama's agreement (and I posted that article about how he is willing to compromise. I can't see any other compromise outside of seating those delegates...the compromise sounds like it will go through negotiatons. And nobody beats the Clintons in negotiating), are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opi...nd_polling_data

They have the delegates allocated from MI and FL to Obama and Hillary...I don't know where the "other" delegates (in the other column) are going to go but odds are most to Hillary since she won big in both states.

You do know that she won big in Mich. because his name wasn't on the ballot. And that he never campaigned in Florida.

And, she is not leading in the stats that attrack the most voters. He leads her, and they BOTH are beating McCain. This same argument that she would do better than him is not being supported.

Okay thanks....I thought it did not exist. But he would be good on poverty advisor and just help guide an anti povery agenda.

You do know that she won big in Mich. because his name wasn't on the ballot. And that he never campaigned in Florida.

And, she is not leading in the stats that attrack the most voters. He leads her, and they BOTH are beating McCain. This same argument that she would do better than him is not being supported.

He chose to take his name off the ballot but kept it on for FL. Why keep it on for one state and not the other?

It depends on how many people in each group that they attract support them. Obviously he attracts a huge number of African Americans, she with seniors, Hispanics, Asians...but those numbers might not be big in his attraction with African Americans. I like that they are both beating McCain...all the more reason to run together since that would definitely beat him if they are both winning against him.

I think AG but I like the poverty advisor. He seems really enthused about reducing it.

You know, either one would be nice. I would prefer AG because we've had enough partisan jackasses in the position for the last 8 years to last a lifetime.

it isnt over til its over. nither has won nor lost.... yet.

All three: John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzalez, and Mukasey (don't know his first name) have made the AG position to be a joke

I don't know if Obama was willing to allow MI and FL before but odds are he was not. Now, he changed his mind because it appears that he is willing to compromise through negotiating with the Clintons...and the Clintons always win negotiations. What if Obama also wants her as president? Maybe he thinks he would be better off having more experience as VP and then being president.

Are you serious or is this wishful thinking on your part? If you're serious then why not just offer Obama a position as her personal chauffeur so he can pick up tips as he drives her back and forth?

it isnt over til its over. nither has won nor lost.... yet.

That is what I keep saying! Glad someone also sees it that way

Are you serious or is this wishful thinking on your part? If you're serious then why not just offer Obama a position as her personal chauffeur so he can pick up tips as he drives her back and forth?

I am serious...that could be his thinking in wanting to compromise on MI and FL. I am not sure but, if he compromises, she wins and odds are will put him on as VP.

Heck the VP already is like a chaueffer anyways and more of a personal assistant to the president

Okay thanks....I thought it did not exist. But he would be good on poverty advisor and just help guide an anti povery agenda.

He chose to take his name off the ballot but kept it on for FL. Why keep it on for one state and not the other?

It depends on how many people in each group that they attract support them. Obviously he attracts a huge number of African Americans, she with seniors, Hispanics, Asians...but those numbers might not be big in his attraction with African Americans. I like that they are both beating McCain...all the more reason to run together since that would definitely beat him if they are both winning against him.

So, because he was honorable enough to take his name of the ballot after he agreed the state shouldn't count in the first palce, and she left hers on, he should be penalyzed.

I think JE endorsing him helps him out in that respect, so he doesn't need her.

it isnt over til its over. nither has won nor lost.... yet.

We see it differently.

I feel it is over, and it's time he looks forward to McCain.

That is what I keep saying! Glad someone also sees it that way

I am serious...that could be his thinking in wanting to compromise on MI and FL. I am not sure but, if he compromises, she wins and odds are will put him on as VP.

Heck the VP already is like a chaueffer anyways and more of a personal assistant to the president

Wow.

I mean just......wow.