Barack Obama Elected President!

[JackPeyton]

so i have comp changed. i was torn between obama and clinton but now both annoy the hel out of me and i do not want either one nor do i trust either one, tho i would prefer hilary to him. all he is is a good public speaker, but he has no depth and talks in circles about nothing with never giving a plan. guess what? i know we need change. what i dont need is you saying it every 10 minutes.

so now i am all for mccain.

[Roman]

You know something? This win at all cost attituden has ruined political careers.

I've seen it before.

No problem at all with being confident, but I wonder.........if the shoe was on the other foot, and Obama was losing, and he made the very same arguments about delegates.......

I wonder if the sentiments in this thrtead would be consistent........or changed somehow?

[Roman]

Be careful.

This is the same man who is proposing attacking Iran. With what troops I don't know.

[Roman]

Hillary made it sound like she was under constant gunfire at the airport.

She didn't lie about part of it. IMO, she lied about the whole thing.

That is a small part of what bothered me. The biggest part? That she came off like she shouldn't have to say she was wrong for doing it, kinda like ths ame way she cupped her hand to her ear and acted like she didn't hear the questions about Mark penn when she left and airport yesterday. Reminded me of Reagan when he didn't want to answer a question, and I thought we were all sick of that crap after 7 years of Bush & Co.

[Roman]

And if she does get some backroom deal with these superdelegates....who do you think is going to vote for a canidate that lost the popular vote, lost the delegate vote, but convinced the big boys and girls of the party to back her? Do you think Obama's people will support her after that (And trust me.......she needs his voters if she hopes to even walk down Penn. Avenue much less get to the WH)?

It will be like the will of the people only matters when it suits her purposes........and the press will eat her alive.

And then........you can get used to saying President McCain.

[Wales2004]

Racism and charges of racism always get my attention because I wonder how one can vehemently defend people they don't actually know. I don't know whether Geraldine Ferraro is racist but she certainly said something that came across as racist to some people. I personally thought what she said was stupid and her explanation was stupid but I liked that she didn't back down from it because I don't like it when political correctness causes people to be dishonest about what they truly think.

I'm not sure about Jeremiah Wright either because I haven't heard the racist remarks attributed to him. I heard a snippet of what he said about Hilary Clinton never being called a specific word and I am ever so certain that he's correct in that she has not been called that word.

When it comes to black and white specifically racism is generally not equivalent on both sides and people that like to declare how some black man is just as racist as some klan member might want to consider from where the racism emanates. A black man's hatred will generally come from the oppression he's felt either through institutionalized racism or either the real physical threat. Even here in good old Southern California, there was an incident where a black family moved into a neighborhood where they were not wanted and they were subjected to a cross burning on their lawn a few years back. Who knows what else happens that doesn't make the news.

A white man generally doesn't hate black people because of any sort of oppression so what's the reason there except skin? That's primarily why it's not equivalent. I believe it's all wrong no matter what but I can understand more of where one is coming from versus the other.

[Southofnowhere]

McCain is now tied with both Obama&Clinton.

The Dems need to get their act together and make a choice before they completely ruin all chances of winning.

[EricaKane70]

I don't think it will happen but at this point hillary and obama are going have to work together to secure this nominee. The longer this goes on the more each other camps will not want to vote for the other and that will give the republicans the white house. So imo for the dems to get this election hillary is gonna have to be obama's vp. The longer this race goes on the more divided the obama and hillary supporters will get and neither one will be able to win without the other just to secure all the dems votes in Nov. Because sadly I hear more and more that if obama wins the nom, hillary supporters will vote for McCain or not vote at all. An to be honest I do think hillary does deserve to be at least vp, she's be in this race for the long haul and is very close in delegates to obama, I would hate to see her do all that work and she gets nothing to show for it. But it would go against everything obama has been saying about change and her campaign hasn't been all that nice to him. But I still say they are gonna need the other to win it at this point, this race has taken a turn for the worst.imo

[DevotedToAMC]

Then you are voting for a third Bush term

[DevotedToAMC]

That is what I am talking about here. She lied about being shot at on the tarmack but, her entire time at Bosnia, she pretty much was dodging bullets since her safety was in jeopardy by being in a warzone. It is just that it seems like nobody actually shot at her but that does not negate how she avoided gunfire

[DevotedToAMC]

Odds are that, if she gets the nomination, she will have no choice but to put him on the ticket as VP because she needs his votes from the attraction he has with certain Republicans, African Americans, Independents. Obama can very much appeal to any frustrated voters as to why it is perfectly alright to vote for a Hillary/Obama ticket...this is not to say that his supporters should just follow everything he says 100% but that he has the power to persuade his support base on the greatness of such a ticket and get them to believe in that team.

[Southofnowhere]

The Dems need to make their pick and get on with it alot of people seem to be taking a look at McCain.

The Dems who don't really care if it's Obama or Clinton are sliding over to McCain because he looks like he got his stuff together and BOTH Obama and Clintons are starting to look like jokes.

The Dems should win the White House but all this in fighting is in danger of costing them the big prize once agian an dif McCain wins the Country is in huge trouble!

The Dems need someone to be willing to give up power in order to save the Party and win the white House.

However no one seems to be willing to make a deal.

[Wales2004]

Please help me to keep up. I believe that you've previously stated that McCain would have a hard time with Republicans because he is not conservative enough (and I apologize in advance if it wasn't you). If McCain is not "Republican" enough (for lack of a better term) than how can he be another Bush? Same party, different breed altogether. I don't care if they share some similar viewpoints since he may even share some similar viewpoints with the more conservative Democrat. I know people who consider themselves Democrats who aren't pro-abortion among other things.

This is like a little game of how much of a lie did she tell? She went there with some celebrities and no one is making a big deal out of their being in a war zone. There are kids who live in neighborhoods here in America, who literally dodge bullets on a regular basis. A soldier had to be granted special leave to return to Los Angeles to bury her 17 year old son who was killed by a gang member while she was off fighting for her country and a better life for that son. I doubt that the tarmac story would mean anything to people who have these sort of experiences or have had them. How it's worded makes no difference since it is what it is and the point is more that she said she "misspoke" about something that should have been traumatic to her if it were true.

If he attracts certain Republicans which I wonder about and he's running for vp there goes that attraction. The only voters that will become easily interchangeable are avid Democrats who ultimately just want a Democrat in office. The people who won't be persuaded are people who like to use logic and are adamant about it (excluding avid Democrats who like to use logic). If she says that Obama is not ready to be president then he's not ready to be vp either since he could be called upon to fill in at any time. If she's telling super delegates that they need to vote for her because he can't be elected (and I'd love to hear what was used as the reason), then why would someone using logic find it logical to vote for her if he's on the ticket? Why wouldn't people reject the notion of her using him to try to win? I know if I wanted him for president then I wouldn't be okay with his running as second to her. Obama cannot easily appeal to any frustrated voter as to why it's perfectly alright to vote for a Hilary/Obama ticket since it isn't perfectly alright. He'll be selling out hope and change for a backseat to the same old story and that's not what those hopeful, change seeking supporters of his signed up for.

I'm with Nancy Pelosi in that the two of them won't be on the same ticket.

[David_Vickers]

I do see Hillary's bad points. I do think she's got some very poor campaign runners.

True all politicians lie true that. I'll vote for you.

So you're voting for a worse version of George W. Bush. What a HUGE mistake.

Exactly Roman! Agreed! I think we Hillary and Obama supporters can team up to kick McCain & Rice's asses!

[David_Vickers]

I'm gonna quit arguing and bitching about Obama and his fierce supporters and I'm quitting being so fierce over Hillary. I get your points Roman and agree that Hillary probably did just lie about Bosnia, but I still think her decision was based on lack of sleep and being tired. But she was wrong to do so and her advisers should have stopped her from doing so. I like Obama.