Sam is a villain.

Jason is a villain.

Lucky is a man who made mistakes.

Liz is a woman who can't stop lying.

That's how I see it...

Edited August 26, 200718 yr by Manny

Has anyone noticed how similar Liz is becoming to the Lily storyline with Sonny. Lily was NO SAINT, but man did Sonny see her as one.

Sam is becoming a Cassadine. I dig it, but that doesn't mean she isn't a villain.

I wasn't watching when Lily was first on the show. So I don't really know how to compare her to Liz. From what I understand Lily was a nice woman who Sonny married to appease one of his mob buddies to get ahead in the bussiness. He had an affiar with Brenda but later on fell deeply in love with her and then she was killed by a bomb that was placed in her car. If that's true. I don't see Liz as a Lily type at all. Lily deeply loved Sonny her husband and I don't think this is the case with Liz.

I don't think anyone is really calling Sam a hero. We just like that someone is calling out Jason and Liz on their $h!+

Sam is a villain.

Jason is a villain.

Lucky is a man who made mistakes.

Liz is a woman who can't stop lying.

This is very true. However the show doesn't write it as such. Guza is writing it very black and white. Sam and Lucky = irrational, bad guys who are wrong after being wrongfully screwed around with by their romantic counter parts. While Jason and Liz = saints, pargons on morality and virtue and are always deemed right even though one of them is a ruthless killer and another is lying about the paternity of a child so she doesn't lose her husband.

Sam may be bad but atleast they write her as such. Compared to Liz and Jason who are written as the "good guys" when they are really no better.

jason is a punk ass !@#$%^&*] i wish sam would kill him im so sick of him

Lily used the situation with her father to get Sonny, whom she wanted. She also did not like Brenda. Sonny was going to leave Lily, but she told him she was pregnant, and he left Brenda in the rain. Sonny never deeply loved Lily. He felt incredible guilt that she was killed because she loved him and he wanted Brenda. I remember Lily as being needy and vindictivewith others, but passive and sweet with Sonny.

Sam may be bad but atleast they write her as such. Compared to Liz and Jason who are written as the "good guys" when they are really no better.

Yes. That's why I dislike Liz and Jason even more. Because Lucky gets called out on the crap he did in the past. Liz never gets called out (except when Lucky or Sam confront her about it) and neither does Jason (unless it's Ric doing it). For everyone else, Liz and Jason can do no wrong.. which is stupid, cause they did do a lot of stuff wrong!

Edited August 26, 200718 yr by Manny

Uh what exactly did Sam do to Liz? She hired actors to scare her. That is not grounds for death. It's not like the children were traumatized. They didn't even know what was going on and they were mostly unaffected. What did she do to Jake? Nothing.

Say what you will but the fact that Jason is willing to kill Sam the one person who has stood by him through EVERYTHING and was the truest, loyalist girlfriend the soulless borg has ever had is so far beyond wrong and beyond cold. Jason has no humanity. That's pretty much what it comes down to. The fact that Jason is willing to kill Sam (the woman he has loved for over 3 years) when they just broke up maybe two-three weeks ago shows that Jason isn't capable of having human feelings.

Jason just looks bad here from all sides. Sam may have done wrong but what she did no where near warrants what he's threatening. Jason is willing to kill Sam after everything. Jason has no soul. That's pretty much what it comes down to. He has no human feelings.

I think Jason has a few more murders on Sam.

So how does one justify Jason's actions?

How many wrongs does Jason get to commit?

How does Jason killing Sam make a right?

How is Jason killing Sam okay?

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"So how does one justify Jason's actions?" Uh, Jason is an enforcer, not a romantic hero.

"How many wrongs does Jason get to commit?" It's his line of business... duh?

"How does Jason killing Sam make a right?" Because she crossed the line for the 2nd time.

"How is Jason killing Sam okay?" Again, why not?

Seriously, I've asked this question before with no response... I'll ask again... Does any of you griping about this have any children, or are you children yourselves?

Yes. That's why I dislike Liz and Jason even more. Because Lucky gets called out on the crap he did in the past. Liz never gets called out (except when Lucky or Sam confront her about it) and neither does Jason (unless it's Ric doing it). For everyone else, Liz and Jason can do no wrong.. which is stupid, cause they did do a lot of stuff wrong!

Other than lying about Jake's paternity, what are the many things that Liz had done so wrong?

I wasn't watching when Lily was first on the show. So I don't really know how to compare her to Liz. From what I understand Lily was a nice woman who Sonny married to appease one of his mob buddies to get ahead in the bussiness. He had an affiar with Brenda but later on fell deeply in love with her and then she was killed by a bomb that was placed in her car. If that's true. I don't see Liz as a Lily type at all. Lily deeply loved Sonny her husband and I don't think this is the case with Liz.

I don't think anyone is really calling Sam a hero. We just like that someone is calling out Jason and Liz on their $h!+

This is very true. However the show doesn't write it as such. Guza is writing it very black and white. Sam and Lucky = irrational, bad guys who are wrong after being wrongfully screwed around with by their romantic counter parts. While Jason and Liz = saints, pargons on morality and virtue and are always deemed right even though one of them is a ruthless killer and another is lying about the paternity of a child so she doesn't lose her husband.

Sam may be bad but atleast they write her as such. Compared to Liz and Jason who are written as the "good guys" when they are really no better.

Why does everyone refer to Jason as the good guy? Guza isn't writing a neon sign over Jason's head, continously blinking "I'm the good guy!" The last time Jason has been written as the good guy is when he was "Jason Quartermaine."

if anythign Sam saved those kids, depending on how you look at it. Liz has been chasing after Jason for a damn year and never took her kids into account when she brought them to see him, let him in her home, let him play with them in public. Anyone of Jason's enemies could have caught on and targeted them to get to Jason. It took Sam hiring actors to pose as a threat to scare Liz straight into cutting all ties from Jason and truly focus on her children's safety. That was something she was NOT doing before. It was a blessing in disguise bc I think Sam knocked some sense into her in that this would be her reality. Liason is a fantasy. The mob stuff, the kidnappings, the shootings, arrests, beatings, etc are a reality. Liz needed to realize and thanks to Sam, she does

It truly amazes me how so many put their own spin on the actual script then the writer intended.

They are ruining Jason's character. Jason is starting to appear cold and soulless. Until now Jason hasn't really done anything wrong. However they are willing to make Jason threaten to kill the one woman who stood beside him for over 3 years. This woman gave up everything for him and apparently none of it matters to him. Sam has been the most loyal girlfriend Jason has EVER had even including that Maureen slip. Sam protected him and testified FOR him. She has looked out for him and loved him and protected him. She has given him everything and now he is going to kill her. For Liz? Wow.

I feel bad for Jasam fans. They have to be hurting here. I can't believe it. Say what you will about Sam but she doesn't deserve to die especially not by the hands of the man she gave up everything for. It's sick and twisted and it doesn't put Jason is a postive light at all.

What Sam did may not have been kosher but it doesn't warrant death. Does Jason even have a heart? Does he have a soul. How could he seriously do this to her if he truely EVER loved her? Jason looks fickle and cold here and there really is no justification. Atleast with Sam she wasn't in her right mind frame. I can understand that. Thus why I can understand why Sam didn't say anything about Jake being abducted. Even with her fake mobbing I can understand that she wants revenge. However what Jason is doing is EXTRA.

Uh, Jason can be cold and soulless since he is the "ENFORCER." Sam didn't give up anything, other than being shot that resulted in her not being able to have children, but that was her decision to be with Jason. When Sam first arrived in PC she was sexing it up with Jax, then she flipped over to Sonny (she actually had sex with Jax and Sonny the same night... within the same hour). Jax dumps Sam, then Sonny dumps Sam to return to Carly. Sam tells Sonny she's pregnant (and for the life of me I don't know why anyone never considered that Jax could've been the proud papa). Sonny pushes Sam in Jason's lap, because he didn't want Sam to leave town with his child. Jason took care of her, and has been taking care of Sam since she moved into his home. Yes, she testified possitively in court for Jason in court, but she owed him for all the things he has done for her. It's hillarious how Sam thinks Lucky should know the truth about Jake, yet she was okay with lying to Carly about who her child's father was. Yep, Sam was sure loyal to Jason when she slept with his enemy!

Anyway, since Sam wasn't in her "right mind frame," just maybe Jason isn't either.

Oh and Jason didn't have a hand in Sonny stealing Michael from AJ? Oh please. I'm so sick of Jason always being the good guy. He's done [!@#$%^&*] as bad or worse then most everyone in PC, and him and Sam are about equal on the murdering and child kipnapping field, IMO. The fact that he thinks he has the right to pass judgement or level out any kid of punishment for crap he's done, makes me sick. Jason is NOT a victim. He's not being wronged. He's not having something happen to him that he didn't already inflict on others, including his own brother.

I don't feel a drop of sympathy for him or Lying Lizzie. I can't wait for the [!@#$%^&*] to hit the fan and I hope they get covered in it.

I'm not defending Sam, I hate the skank. I'm just calling a spade a spade and think that Jason and his God complex need to be put into check, yesterday.

I'm probably the only one, but as a one time JaSam fan, this promo is really hard to believe. It's shocking, well not so much since this is Saint Jason and everyone must be destoryed so his halo shines it's brightest, how they've ended up. I may hate both Jason and Sam, but there's no way in hell I'm going to buy this whole "he pined for Liz that whole time" BS.

No, Jason didn't have a hand in Sonny stealing Michael from AJ. Sonny had his people bring AJ to the warehouse, where he had AJ lifted up on meat-hooks, and to remain there until he signed his right away as father to Michael. Jason wasn't involved in that. Plus, AJ never tried to fight what Sonny did to him, other than to whine incessantly to his family about it.

Jason doesn't go around spouting platitudes of what's wrong and what's good to anyone. Where do you get this from? He's not suppose to be the good guy. He's not even the bad guy with the heart of gold. He's just a man trying to protect his child from an unhinged, jealous, vindictive woman.

I do not think that Jason went over there to threaten Sam but the fact that it turns angry and the fact that sam does not feel any remorse for having those men threaten Liz in front of her children and she continues to do things to go against Liz and her action are going to hurt the kids as much as it will hurt Liz made him say he will kill her.

"So how does one justify Jason's actions?" Uh, Jason is an enforcer, not a romantic hero.

"How does Jason killing Sam make a right?" Because she crossed the line for the 2nd time.

Have you been watching the show lately? Honest question. Jason is very much a romantic lead. Jason is currently in a love triangle and is vying for the affections of Liz. Jason is a romantic lead and has been since Steve Burton came back to the show. His dull stare drives the women crazy. He has had several love interests since he came back in 02/03. Elizabeth, Courtney and Sam have all been in a romantic relationship with him. He IS a romantic lead. I really don't know how else to say it.

Hero? Jason has been thrusted into the role of "a hero" for awhile now. He saved Micheal and Morgan from Faith, he protected Sam and Kristina, he broke up with Sam to protect her, he covered up for Spenilli when he shot himself in the foot on Night Shift, he jumped bail to bring Jake back home and played hero for Elizabeth. Guza most definetely wants Jason to be the hero in this storyline while he makes Lucky the irrational bastard husband who simply isn't being reasonable Guza wants us to see Jason as the good heroic mobster. WTF ever! There's no way that Jason could ever be a hero. With his line of work.

How did Sam cross the line? She didn't do anything.

Why does everyone refer to Jason as the good guy? Guza isn't writing a neon sign over Jason's head, continously blinking "I'm the good guy!" The last time Jason has been written as the good guy is when he was "Jason Quartermaine."

Jason is being written as the "good guy" here. Hell Guza had to destroy characters like Ric, Lucky, Sam and Maxie to make Elizabeth and Jason look good and even then that didn't work.

However, lets not make light of what Sam did. Two masked men pointed guns at a woman and her two children, and threatened to kidnap them. A month ago Liz got her baby back from a kidnapping that Sam could have prevented. This is pretty far gone people.

THANK YOU! Anything could have gone wrong, and Cam or Jake could have gotten wounded or even killed.

LMAO someone said "if anything Sam saved them?" UH WHAT????????????? I'm sorry I don't get that logic. That's like someone starting a fire deliberately then someone gets caught in it, and they go and be the "hero" If it wasn't for that person, there would have been nothing to save anyone from.

I mean that's like Greenlee on AMC. Who keeps saying "But I saved Spike" yeah bitch you saved him after YOU caused the situation to begin with

THANK YOU! Anything could have gone wrong, and Cam or Jake could have gotten wounded or even killed.

That's a stretch. There is no information even saying that the guns were even loaded so the kids being wounded and "killed" by two hired actors who's direct orders were not to hurt Liz or the children just to scare her is a bit over the top IMO.

Liz, Cam and precious baby Jiz was just fine. They were in no danger AT ALL and the man even said that on friday's episode.