Members Manny Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Sam is a villain. Jason is a villain. Lucky is a man who made mistakes. Liz is a woman who can't stop lying. That's how I see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I wasn't watching when Lily was first on the show. So I don't really know how to compare her to Liz. From what I understand Lily was a nice woman who Sonny married to appease one of his mob buddies to get ahead in the bussiness. He had an affiar with Brenda but later on fell deeply in love with her and then she was killed by a bomb that was placed in her car. If that's true. I don't see Liz as a Lily type at all. Lily deeply loved Sonny her husband and I don't think this is the case with Liz. I don't think anyone is really calling Sam a hero. We just like that someone is calling out Jason and Liz on their $h!+ This is very true. However the show doesn't write it as such. Guza is writing it very black and white. Sam and Lucky = irrational, bad guys who are wrong after being wrongfully screwed around with by their romantic counter parts. While Jason and Liz = saints, pargons on morality and virtue and are always deemed right even though one of them is a ruthless killer and another is lying about the paternity of a child so she doesn't lose her husband. Sam may be bad but atleast they write her as such. Compared to Liz and Jason who are written as the "good guys" when they are really no better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pamela1965 Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 jason is a punk ass !@#$%^&*] i wish sam would kill him im so sick of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members titan1978 Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Lily used the situation with her father to get Sonny, whom she wanted. She also did not like Brenda. Sonny was going to leave Lily, but she told him she was pregnant, and he left Brenda in the rain. Sonny never deeply loved Lily. He felt incredible guilt that she was killed because she loved him and he wanted Brenda. I remember Lily as being needy and vindictivewith others, but passive and sweet with Sonny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Manny Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Yes. That's why I dislike Liz and Jason even more. Because Lucky gets called out on the crap he did in the past. Liz never gets called out (except when Lucky or Sam confront her about it) and neither does Jason (unless it's Ric doing it). For everyone else, Liz and Jason can do no wrong.. which is stupid, cause they did do a lot of stuff wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kandbar Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 "So how does one justify Jason's actions?" Uh, Jason is an enforcer, not a romantic hero. "How many wrongs does Jason get to commit?" It's his line of business... duh? "How does Jason killing Sam make a right?" Because she crossed the line for the 2nd time. "How is Jason killing Sam okay?" Again, why not? Seriously, I've asked this question before with no response... I'll ask again... Does any of you griping about this have any children, or are you children yourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kandbar Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Other than lying about Jake's paternity, what are the many things that Liz had done so wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kandbar Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Why does everyone refer to Jason as the good guy? Guza isn't writing a neon sign over Jason's head, continously blinking "I'm the good guy!" The last time Jason has been written as the good guy is when he was "Jason Quartermaine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kandbar Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 It truly amazes me how so many put their own spin on the actual script then the writer intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kandbar Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Uh, Jason can be cold and soulless since he is the "ENFORCER." Sam didn't give up anything, other than being shot that resulted in her not being able to have children, but that was her decision to be with Jason. When Sam first arrived in PC she was sexing it up with Jax, then she flipped over to Sonny (she actually had sex with Jax and Sonny the same night... within the same hour). Jax dumps Sam, then Sonny dumps Sam to return to Carly. Sam tells Sonny she's pregnant (and for the life of me I don't know why anyone never considered that Jax could've been the proud papa). Sonny pushes Sam in Jason's lap, because he didn't want Sam to leave town with his child. Jason took care of her, and has been taking care of Sam since she moved into his home. Yes, she testified possitively in court for Jason in court, but she owed him for all the things he has done for her. It's hillarious how Sam thinks Lucky should know the truth about Jake, yet she was okay with lying to Carly about who her child's father was. Yep, Sam was sure loyal to Jason when she slept with his enemy! Anyway, since Sam wasn't in her "right mind frame," just maybe Jason isn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kandbar Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 No, Jason didn't have a hand in Sonny stealing Michael from AJ. Sonny had his people bring AJ to the warehouse, where he had AJ lifted up on meat-hooks, and to remain there until he signed his right away as father to Michael. Jason wasn't involved in that. Plus, AJ never tried to fight what Sonny did to him, other than to whine incessantly to his family about it. Jason doesn't go around spouting platitudes of what's wrong and what's good to anyone. Where do you get this from? He's not suppose to be the good guy. He's not even the bad guy with the heart of gold. He's just a man trying to protect his child from an unhinged, jealous, vindictive woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members najwamama Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I do not think that Jason went over there to threaten Sam but the fact that it turns angry and the fact that sam does not feel any remorse for having those men threaten Liz in front of her children and she continues to do things to go against Liz and her action are going to hurt the kids as much as it will hurt Liz made him say he will kill her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Have you been watching the show lately? Honest question. Jason is very much a romantic lead. Jason is currently in a love triangle and is vying for the affections of Liz. Jason is a romantic lead and has been since Steve Burton came back to the show. His dull stare drives the women crazy. He has had several love interests since he came back in 02/03. Elizabeth, Courtney and Sam have all been in a romantic relationship with him. He IS a romantic lead. I really don't know how else to say it. Hero? Jason has been thrusted into the role of "a hero" for awhile now. He saved Micheal and Morgan from Faith, he protected Sam and Kristina, he broke up with Sam to protect her, he covered up for Spenilli when he shot himself in the foot on Night Shift, he jumped bail to bring Jake back home and played hero for Elizabeth. Guza most definetely wants Jason to be the hero in this storyline while he makes Lucky the irrational bastard husband who simply isn't being reasonable Guza wants us to see Jason as the good heroic mobster. WTF ever! There's no way that Jason could ever be a hero. With his line of work. How did Sam cross the line? She didn't do anything. Jason is being written as the "good guy" here. Hell Guza had to destroy characters like Ric, Lucky, Sam and Maxie to make Elizabeth and Jason look good and even then that didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted August 27, 2007 Members Share Posted August 27, 2007 THANK YOU! Anything could have gone wrong, and Cam or Jake could have gotten wounded or even killed. LMAO someone said "if anything Sam saved them?" UH WHAT????????????? I'm sorry I don't get that logic. That's like someone starting a fire deliberately then someone gets caught in it, and they go and be the "hero" If it wasn't for that person, there would have been nothing to save anyone from. I mean that's like Greenlee on AMC. Who keeps saying "But I saved Spike" yeah bitch you saved him after YOU caused the situation to begin with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted August 27, 2007 Members Share Posted August 27, 2007 That's a stretch. There is no information even saying that the guns were even loaded so the kids being wounded and "killed" by two hired actors who's direct orders were not to hurt Liz or the children just to scare her is a bit over the top IMO. Liz, Cam and precious baby Jiz was just fine. They were in no danger AT ALL and the man even said that on friday's episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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