They wanted the Carey clan to be suffer a bit and have their happy ending then fine, but they did NOT have to demonize Adam in the process. He is teh victim here just like anyone else yet he gets trashed for feeling any type of pain after the love of his life (AMC's trash, not mine) tore his heart out and stomped over it with her trailer park payless shoes and everoyone else verbally and mentally beating up on him. Of course he hasnt been completely innocent, but they really went overboard to show he is an SOB to justify what Krystal and company did and to make him teh villian when he is probably the one that deserves teh most sympathy

Gah! Sorry, double post, board is way wonky for me tonight.

Edited May 9, 200718 yr by rsmith2k2

Anybody think this Carey Baby Napping has been truncated?

<smallvoice> I kind of do. I remember similar feelings when Days went through its transition last summer -- awkward so-called redemptions and pacing, albiet countered by nice balance and character moments. The comparison might not be worth much, just thought I'd offer it up.

Scenes like that with Adam have been one of the very few things that's moved me (in a real huma, good soapy kind of way) on this show in recent memory. It's been a repeated theme/image they've shown over the last weeks. I felt bad, too and hated it for Adam and like you hated how it all went down. Tad and KWAK suffered a couple of weeks, knowing their baby was alive. I don't know if they think this story is supposed to seriously represent redemption through similar suffering as Bianca suffered during MiMo's "death" as real-deal retribution for KWAK and Tad or not. If so, I AIN'T feeling it. They suffered, but not as much as Bianca since they knew that baby was alive and had a chance of tracking her down, not as long...a couple of weeks versus Bianca and nine months of sniffing her baby's birthing gown to keep from going insane.

I know that's all be beaten to death, but my point is...

What makes it so difficult for me to buy this redemption attempt/storyline as presented, is the huge quantity of scenes over the weeks with KWAK as a "paragon of parenting" (stolen from somebody at SOC) all decked out in her blue silk hospital gown, beat back face and throngs of blood relations, SadSackeus Martin-Carey, Church of the Purpose Driven BJ pilgrims AND Adams' own family (having turned their back on him and becoming Official Hobillies a la Colby) throwing themselves at her feet, glowing in familial camraderie, love, concern then ultimately joy at Jenny's return. While Adam, an almost singularly clean figure in his actions during The Baby Switch then gives Babe & KWAK second chances, even leading to love (or so they say onscreen) and marriage to Mama Hobilly...lies alone in a hospital room, in despair, rejected...with nothing/no one that he loves, no one he's protected and given loyalty around him. They're all partying and back-slapping in KWAK's room enjoying their stolen lives they've created for themselves. Hobillies, Martins (and Laverys just because I can't stand them) win again. And why exactly?

Anybody think this Carey Baby Napping has been truncated? Anyone know it's one of the last of McT's stories being cleaned-up/wrapped up or is it one from the new transition team?

Beautifully expressed!

And I also think the MareyCartin Baby Napping was severely truncated. I mean, even I was caught off guard as to how quickly it wrapped up.

I also loved the Janet/Tad and Amanda/Adam scenes.

My favorite part yesterday was Adam turning the tables on JR, who imo is betraying his father by choosing Tad & the Careys over him. Adam's heart attack could have given JR the chance to make amends and instead he tried to trick his father into a confession.

Erica is the perfect choice to catch Sean & Ava since she was a teen temptress, too. I like her mother/son scenes with Sean and I think she'll probably end up helping Colby land him this summer.

I hate to judge an actress this early, but I have to agree that Sabine is not Greenlee. She lacks the smug snobbishness that Rebecca brought to the part, which made sense since Greenlee was raised to think the Smythes were superior to everyone else. Alicia did her best to salvage the scenes, but even her tears didn't make me believe this was Greenlee with Kendall.

I also agree that Jenny's kidnapping felt truncated. I feel torn about that. On the one hand, I wish Krystal had gone 10 months without her child for the sake of karma, on the other hand, at least McT's drawn-out storytelling style is over, which makes the entire show more entertaining.

IMO Tad and KWAK haven't suffered enough. When they go 9 moths believing their child is dead, while off with Janet or someone who will actually love her and raise her right, then I might say they've suffered enough.

Right now they got off easy once again. I only wish Bianca could have gotten Miranda back that fast

Jamie and Babe are having alot of scenes together, reminiscing about their baby stealing days and remorseful. Perhaps they are setting up pairing them up again and having them ride off into the sunset.

That is what I have been thinking recently as well.

Yesterday's episode was another great episode I love that AMC is heading in this direction. I loved practically every scene yesterday. Especially the Tad/Janet scenes and any scene with Amanda.

It's still kind of hard to watch Sabine's Greenlee. I want to give her a chance and I am hope that she will grow on me.

Well, no offense to the new Greenlee, but she's NO Rebecca. and This new Greenlee, who is she? Greenlee should be a total bitch, not all 'I'm sorry Kendall, I'm sorry Ryan, how's the baby, let's all be friends" act. Come ON! We're not that stupid.

I LOVE Amanda! Ahh!

My problem with not Greens is not that she is not Rebecca's Greens because Bex is a tough act to follow. I'm not saying that Bex is a tremendous actress, but Greens was a unique character, and Rebecca put her stamp on the role. It would be tough for anyone. Sabine is ok in the acting department, but I think she needs to bring it down a notch for 2 reasons:

First being - it's annoying! notGreens and Ken together would bug the hell out of me.

And secondly but more important, why in the sam hell is this girl so perky anyway? She should not have returned as if nothing happened. She should still be angry and her wanting "Kenlee" back is just stupid! The writing for notGreens is all wrong, so there is really nothing to look forward to.

As for Ryan and Annie... They would be a nice couple if I could only tolerate Cameron (I'm so passed being annoyed with him), and I don't think the show did enough with Annie to make us root for her and Jughead. She went from Annie on the run to Annie/Ryan. Exactly who is this person as an individual? The character was not developed enough and then to chain her to that moron Lavery. Nothing to root for.

ANDREA

Edited May 9, 200718 yr by ANDREA LOATHES REILLY

I don't think the show did enough with Annie to make us root for her and Jughead. She went from Annie on the run to Annie/Ryan. Exactly who is this person as an individual? The character was not developed enough and then to chain her to that moron Lavery. Nothing to root for.

ANDREA

I totally agree. These days this show is too busy trying to pair off people, make instant couples, instead of letting the audience get a little insight as to who these people are, what they're about, decide whether or not we like them and THEN start testing the waters.

It's like Simone. For the longest time, we've been wanting her paired up with somebody because viewers cared about Simone and wanted to see her in a relationship. When it finally happens, they date off screen, and then get engaged out of the blue?! Two months later, Ethan's dead, and we're supposed to believe Simone is incredibly torn up over losing this guy... when we've seen NOTHING of their relationship because it all happened off screen. I feel the same way about Annie/Ryan. They went on, like, one date, find out that Emma's Ryan's biological daughter, and next we know Annie's in love and they're planning to get married?!?

Does Annie have any parents? What's Annie's maiden name? Why hasn't the show even given Annie ANY last name in the closing credits? It's only MCE as Annie. No McDermott? No Schmidt? No nothin'?

Greenlee has to hate Kendall. I mean Kendall now has everything she wanted and had. Greenlee had a successful company, a loving husband and desperately wanted a baby of her own. Kendall heads Fusion, has a great marriage with Zach and the baby with Ryan that was supposed to be for Greenlee. She also has to resent Ryan bc him not wanting kids pretty much ruined their marriage. His demons from his childhood haunted him and caused all types of problems. Now Ryan has 2 kids whom he loves and he's planning on having more. He's perfectly find with his past and has moved on. Why couldnt all of this happen when she was married to him? Greenlee is a very jealous, selfish and self centered person. Its in her nature to resent those 2 especially since she had so much hate in her before and after she left. This sudden change is too drastic. She better be fooling Kendall but I think she's genuine

Scenes like that with Adam have been one of the very few things that's moved me (in a real huma, good soapy kind of way) on this show in recent memory. It's been a repeated theme/image they've shown over the last weeks. I felt bad, too and hated it for Adam and like you hated how it all went down. Tad and KWAK suffered a couple of weeks, knowing their baby was alive. I don't know if they think this story is supposed to seriously represent redemption through similar suffering as Bianca suffered during MiMo's "death" as real-deal retribution for KWAK and Tad or not. If so, I AIN'T feeling it. They suffered, but not as much as Bianca since they knew that baby was alive and had a chance of tracking her down, not as long...a couple of weeks versus Bianca and nine months of sniffing her baby's birthing gown to keep from going insane.

I know that's all be beaten to death, but my point is...

What makes it so difficult for me to buy this redemption attempt/storyline as presented, is the huge quantity of scenes over the weeks with KWAK as a "paragon of parenting" (stolen from somebody at SOC) all decked out in her blue silk hospital gown, beat back face and throngs of blood relations, SadSackeus Martin-Carey, Church of the Purpose Driven BJ pilgrims AND Adams' own family (having turned their back on him and becoming Official Hobillies a la Colby) throwing themselves at her feet, glowing in familial camraderie, love, concern then ultimately joy at Jenny's return. While Adam, an almost singularly clean figure in his actions during The Baby Switch then gives Babe & KWAK second chances, even leading to love (or so they say onscreen) and marriage to Mama Hobilly...lies alone in a hospital room, in despair, rejected...with nothing/no one that he loves, no one he's protected and given loyalty around him. They're all partying and back-slapping in KWAK's room enjoying their stolen lives they've created for themselves. Hobillies, Martins (and Laverys just because I can't stand them) win again. And why exactly?

Anybody think this Carey Baby Napping has been truncated? Anyone know it's one of the last of McT's stories being cleaned-up/wrapped up or is it one from the new transition team?

BEAUTIFUL! JUST BEAUTIFUL! Your post are on my "must read" list. It's a very short list...

ANDREA