ABCD in combo against CBS in combo is winning 18-49, right? Tsk, I want a certain ABCD President gone and this is not going to help.

Sure GH should have beat Y&R at least in 18-49 with the advertising kick, and sure those are not great GH Household numbers/viewers (3.5 mil) for the advertising but ABCD thanks to GH's strong 18-49 showing and GL/ATWT's typically weak showing is winning 18-49.

At least I think they are, by a little. 18-49 is what advertisers and thus the network care about most these days.

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BTW, WORD to whoever said the wedding was all about Sam, Jason and Sonny. The actual wedding seemed thrown together and was a non-event. Where was the action? The memorable part of the wedding (the explosion) had nothing to do with the wedding. Where were the character interactions, action, romance, etc. AT THE ACTUAL WEDDING?

The wedding was a farce IMO. Luke wasn't even actually divorced from Tracy and like the day before that they basically made it seem like he would choose Tracy over Laura in a heartbeat UGH! Plus the Tracy being in love with Luke stuff is utter BS, Tracy wasn't even on the show when L&L were in their heyday

Plus Maxie catching the bouquet was too much, even Laura gave her a dirty look for that one.

As much as I love L&L I did feel the wedding was rushed way too much as well.

LOL I was thinking the same thing, that was major spin for GL, cause is the show that good? Cause all I ever really see in regards to the show is negativity, barely anything good is ever said about the show.

The weeks that the ratings rose the show was in top notch form. The mysterious blogger was revealed. Reva's cancer storyline came to head, and it had a fantastic Friday cliffhanger in which many people believed Reva died. And the 2.5's that the show recieved were on the days that this story reached it's peak, and following the Friday cliffhanger.

I am sure some people tuned in due to VI, but when you look at the ratings for specific days you see it had more to do with the story. Immediately after Reva was announced cured, and was going to survive on Tuesday the ratings started to drop back down to the normal stuff on Wednesday. Long before it was announced that VI was going to Y&R.

Besides these ratings were for the 13th through the 17th, the same week or week after that the news broke that VI was coming to GL (at least here at SON I think). So if that was the case the ratings should have gone up that week and not gone down.

It wasn't until Thanksgiving week that we found out VI was definitely going to Y&R.

Yes but don't forget it is the Women 18-49 numbers that determines whether or not a sweeps period is successful and for GH, with Laura's return and the *HEAVY* promotion of the L&L wedding, you can bet they were absolutely hoping for a #1 finish this sweeps period and they were not able to achieve that.

Sure their ratings are up a couple points, but there is NO way anyone can convince me that TPTB at GH were not hoping to crack the 3.0's in HH and get #1 for the Sweep in 18-49....both of which they failed to do.

The material may have given them their emmy reel, but that doesn't mean SH*T when it comes down to it!

ITA! I for one couldn't be happier that these numbers were so low!

Frons is a waste and his diploma is showing in Basket Weaving/Pottery Creations! Sweeney better wake up and remove the trash that is littering ABCD before the whole format changes....or is that the point of all these pathetic story lines and rewriting of history.

I'm fourious that someone has Business strong as Sweeney is delaying the firing of certain individuals. Maybe she is trying to be nice until after the Holidays

Anyway...

The spins and excuses just get worse and worse each week...we seriously need to tone them down a bit.

LOL I was thinking the same thing, that was major spin for GL, cause is the show that good? Cause all I ever really see in regards to the show is negativity, barely anything good is ever said about the show.

No actually not spin!!

GH was HEAVILY promoted for the L&L wedding and NO DOUBT that had something to do with OLTL and AMC getting a bump in the ratings, past ratings trends have only proven that to be true! A big GH increase often causes a slightly smaller bump for both AMC/OLTL!

As for GL, its not at its best right now but it ABSOLUTELY is better than ONE LIFE TO SUCK & ALL MY SHITDREN at the moment and deserves to be above BOTH of them!

Anyways...

To each their own then I tuned into GL off and on and it didnt seem all that great to me, I mean Soap characters as Super Heroes, if that's not Jump the Shark then I dont know what is

No actually not spin!!

GH was HEAVILY promoted for the L&L wedding and NO DOUBT that had something to do with OLTL and AMC getting a bump in the ratings, past ratings trends have only proven that to be true! A big GH increase often causes a slightly smaller bump for both AMC/OLTL!

As for GL, its not at its best right now but it ABSOLUTELY is better than ONE LIFE TO SUCK & ALL MY SHITDREN at the moment and deserves to be above BOTH of them!

Anyways...

I definitely agree with that. It's simply criminal that GL doesn't have consistently higher ratings than AMC and OLTL, which from what I hear, are in the gutter, creatively.

GL may have it's shot comings, but the acting on the show kills anything on AMC or OLTL.

GL may have it's shot comings, but the acting on the show kills anything on AMC or OLTL.

That I definitely don't agree with, I think Kim Zimmer is great, but tends to overact alot. I think overall AMC has some of the best actors/actresses in daytime

GL doesn't air in all areas. What's AMCs excuse? It just plain sucks. And that's not spin.

Again, I'm going to have to ask is it possible for the lower tiered soaps (non Y&R/B& to ever get back in the solid 3.0s again? If so, what is it going to take? Or are the 2.0s what 3.0s used to be when most soaps were in the 4.0s?

I can only remember AMC getting a nice boost from the tail end of their babyswitch. I was curious too so I went back and looked at the archives. The ratings overall were something like this in 2004. I took one sample from four months:

Feb 16-20, 2004

HH

1. Y&R 4.6/15 (+.2)

2. DAYS 3.4/11 (Same)

2. B&B 3.4/11 (+.2)

2. GH 3.4/11 (+.1)

5. AMC 3.0/10 (+.1)

5. OLTL 3.0/10 (+.2)

7. ATWT 2.9/10 (+.2)

8. GL 2.6/08 (+.2)

9. PSNS 2.2/07 (+.1)

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 2.7/16 (+.2)

1. GH 2.7/16 (+.2)

3. Y&R 2.6/17 (+.2)

4. OLTL2.2/13 (+.3)

5. AMC 2.1/14 (+.1)

6. B&B 1.9 (+.2)

7. PSNS 1.7/11 (Same)

8. ATWT 1.7 (+.1)

9. GL 1.4 (-.1)

May 10-14, 2004

HH

1. Y&R 4.4/17 (+.2)

2. B&B 3.4/12 (+.6)

3. DAYS 3.2/11 (same)

4. GH 3.1/10 (same)

5. ATWT 2.8/10 (+.3)

5. AMC 2.8/10 (+.1)

7. OLTL 2.6/10 (same)

8. GL 2.4/8 (+.3)

9. PSNS 2.1/8 (+.1)

Women 18-49

1. Y&R 2.5/17 (+.2)

2. DAYS 2.4/16 (-.1)

3. GH 2.2/14 (same)

4. AMC 2.0/13 (+.2)

5. PSNS 1.9/12 (same)

5. B&B 1.9/12 (+.4)

7. OLTL 1.8 (+.1)

8. ATWT 1.6 (+.2)

9. GL 1.4 (+.2)

September 6-10, 2004

HH

1. Y&R 4.1 (+.1)

2. GH 3.4 (+.3)

3. AMC 3.1 (+.2)

4. DAYS 3.0 (+.1)

4. B&B 3.0 (+.1)

6. OLTL 2.8 (+.3)

7. ATWT 2.6 (same)

8. GL 2.2 (+.1)

9. PSNS 2.0 (+.2)

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 2.3 (same)

1. GH 2.3 (+.1)

3. Y&R 2.2 (+.1)

4. AMC 2.1 (same)

5. OLTL 1.9 (+.2)

6. PSNS 1.6 (same)

7. ATWT 1.4 (same)

7. B&B 1.4 (-.1) <---- all time low

9. GL 1.2 (same) <---- low

December 6-10, 2004

HH

1. Y&R 4.1/15 (-.1)

2. B&B 3.2/11 (same)

2. AMC 3.2/11 (+.3)

4. GH 3.1/10 (same)

5. DAYS 2.8/10 (same)

5. ATWT 2.8/10 (same)

5. OLTL 2.8/28 (same)

8. GL 2.4/8 (+.1)

9. PSNS 2.0/7 (+.1)

Women 18-49

1. GH 2.3/14 (same)

2. DAYS 2.2/14 (-.1)

2. AMC 2.2/14 (+.2)

4. Y&R 2.0/13(-.1)

4. OLTL 2.0/12 (+.1)

6. PSNS 1.8/11 (+.1)

7. B&B 1.6/10 (same)

8. ATWT 1.5/9 (same)

9. GL 1.4/8 (+.2)

And then this is just September 2005 since I don't want to post a whole page myself

Sept 19-23, 2005

HH

1. Y&R 4.1/14 (same/-.1)

2. B&B 3.2/11 (same/+.1)

3. DAYS 2.6/9 (same/-.2)

3. OLTL 2.6/9 (+.1/+.1)

3. GH 2.6/8 (same/-.3)

6. ATWT 2.5/8 (-.1/-.2) <------- ties low rating

6. AMC 2.5/8 (+.1/-.3)

8. GL 2.1/7 (-.2/-.2) <----------- ties low rating

9. PSNS 1.6/5 (same/-.3)

Women 18-49 Rating

1. Y&R 2.0/13 (same/-.3)

2. DAYS 1.9/11 (same/-.2)

3. GH 1.7/10 (same/-.3) <---- ties low rating

3. AMC 1.7/10 (-.1/-.1)

3. OLTL 1.7/10 (same/+.1)

6. B&B 1.6/10 (same/same)

7. PSNS 1.3/8 (same/-.4)

8. ATWT 1.1/7 (-.1/-2) <----- new low rating

8. GL 1.1/7 (-.2/-.2)

Thanks to Toups for archiving the ratings

It's interesting to see the shows steadily declining but whoa to especially the ABC ones. I don't know how Frons keeps his job.

Man, it's depressing enough just to look at the Feb. 2004 ratings vs. today's.

Wow Days got higher numbers for Monday and Wednesday. I thought for sure that Thursday episode would be the high one. Oh well-doesn't matter.

As for GL, the weeks they went up were very good. Last week they were ok but it wasn't what we had the 2-3 weeks before. I always like to watch GL anyway and while I enjoyed last week even I knew it was nothing that would help them maintain but the good news is they only lost .1 so I see that as at least holding some of the gain. AMC and OLTL benefited from GH so it won't be long before they see 2.4 or worse again.

That I definitely don't agree with, I think Kim Zimmer is great, but tends to overact alot. I think overall AMC has some of the best actors/actresses in daytime

AMC does in fact have some really strong actors, but they don't utilize them well or at all. Most of their spectacular actors are either on back burner or involved in some insane storyline. GL, despite its spotty writing (though, better than McTavrish) and budget problems has managed to deliver some amazing and consistent performances, as evident by the show's Emmy sweep in the main acting categories this past year.

To each their own then I tuned into GL off and on and it didnt seem all that great to me, I mean Soap characters as Super Heroes, if that's not Jump the Shark then I dont know what is

Well that was a one-stand alone episode that was nothing more than AMC's stand-alone episode with everyone wanted Tad and the mail thing or OLTL's episode with everyone changing roles, etc.

Everyone keeps throwing that episode out there but it was a fantasy episode, and had nothing to do with regular storylines. I would definitely take it over Josh being Erica's child anyday.