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Ultimately, it comes down to being interested in your characters and the story you're telling. Again - if they are going to go for some inclusivity in this adaptation, then it needs to do more than just check boxes. As you said, by all means - do change Charles to black and Caroline to Asian with blasian children... but then you have a different product to what the books were in the first place as the surrounding world would certainly react to such a pairing at the time. Of course, the original show is criticized for being too cutesy and glossing over hardships of the times, on the other hand does anyone really want to watch an ongoing tv show about how horrible and rough life was at the time? Maybe as a miniseries or a succession of movies at most. But even today I'm not sure we want full-on realism.

I'm catching up on the last two weeks now because I got curious about Rachel Blake / "Woman in White" resurfacing and wow, when people say the show is awful at the moment is an understatement. Body & Soul is completely eating this show up alive and it doesn't even make sense why these characters are so invested in keeping it going. Why on earth are all these working professionals moonlighting on this show? Why are people who've never had an interest in acting doing the show? Also, the Javi / Leo relationship really does not ring true does it? Not because Leo and Javi can't necessarily be together but... it just comes of as a wish fulfillment from a certain head writer. Leo is an (immature) gay man in his 40s and this young hot stud is just willing to drop everything to be with him... for reasons. Then you have all other characters propping up how great Leo is despite him having done terrible things to most of them... Again, Ron is Mary Sue-ing this so hard. I often feel when fans are complaining about the show being horrible they're often being hyperbolic, but April really can't come fast enough at this point. If there was ever a time to do a time jump and start with a blank slate, now is the time. The shows needs to be rebooted hard.

I think it's just a random extra to be honest to introduce "the caregiver". I suspect she won't have much function on the show beyond that, but I might be wrong.

Oh, I agree that it's just become the latest buzzword at this point for conservatives to point fingers at if they don't like something. With that said - of course it can be criticized as lazy box-checking, just like older shows had to go through with meddling executives. And sometimes it does have merit - the latest Dragon Age unfortunately has some of the laziest writing I've seen and thus justly flops (though people will blame it on being "diverse" instead of what it is - bad writing). But that's another topic for another day I guess. Perhaps. I'll admit I've never seen much of Gunsmoke and in my head it tends to blend into the bland westerns that were so popular during the 50s. Maybe I should give it a shot some time.

I think the issue is that people talk around each other and no one is ever able to define what exactly "woke" is. Is "woke" being progressive? Is "woke" Satan in sheeps clothing? Or is "woke" just another word for executives meddling and not letting the creatives be creative? Ultimately, I suspect both grievances come from the last part - in the past executives tended to meddle in trying to limit everything, which forced them to get creative with getting issues close to the heart into the shows. On the other hand, a check list of things that need to be fit into a production - even if you agree with them - isn't much better and can lead to lazy box checking. As for the reboot - I think those that are nostalgic for Little House On the Praire aren't going to check it out because why? You can't recreate the "vibe" it has because it was produced in a different era. Those that want a tepid safe watch will go and watch "When Calls the Heart" or some other Hallmark production. Those that want a realistic depiction will just watch one of the movies. So who is Netflix doing this for, besides noticing that it's been accumulating streaming numbers? Gunsmoke has by the way been racking up streaming numbers too, so maybe that's next?

By your logic a lot of old shows wouldn't be reran at all since residuals (or rather lack of them) have been an age-old story. Ultimately, they knowingly signed contracts at the time that limited their residuals - they didn't sign contracts stating that they would get that and end up not getting it. Should all old shows just conform to the latest deals SAG makes or not be shown at all? At the end of the day, the option is to let it rot in the vaults.

I mean, Carol Roux and Ann Wedgeworth were both moved from Another World to Somerset. Plus, I'm sure there were other experienced soap actresses on the show that might've felt sidelined by younger talent after being promised bigger things when signing.

I love it - I was just saying I wanted a bit more character focus. I will say that some moments are on the cheesy side of things I also think that I already know that I'm going to hate the influencer storylines and just roll my eyes so hard at it, but I guess it's realistic these days 😂

Most importantly - "Mary Sue" is a character who is the writers self-insert.

The issue is that Ron seems to be Mary Sue-ing himself into Leo which means that somehow, everything Leo does is forgiven and is ultimately right. And Mary Sue-ing yourself into the story is always horrible writing.

I think the issue here is that I don't really see a way to market this as something else as a soap - because it's what it rather shamelessly is. In addition, part of why Beyond the Gates happened is likely because soaps do well for their cost on streaming (which the continued renewals of Days of our Lives and Neighbours seem to indicate), especially compared to shows like The Talk that probably has very little rewatch value beyond their initial airing. If there was some sort of twist to it - let's say like Edge of Night where there's a crime case that's being used as an umbrella story - I could see them focusing on that element to set it apart from other soaps. But here I don't really see it - in fact, the most unique element is that it revolves around a black family and they're already doing an ample job at promoting that to appropriate outlets. Another part of why this show happened is after all because CBS noticed strong demographic numbers from African-American females. But other than that - go broad for the soap audience, especially the lapsed one that might've fallen out of watching their daily soap and wants to try get into something from the ground floor. The one thing I'd like them to do though is "character" ads to introduce storylines and character motivations more:

I think it's pretty pointless to try and appeal outside to people who don't enjoy soaps at this point to be honest, especially as it's not attempting to be anything else. If it had some sort of special "twist" to it, it might've been worth pointing out, but this is pretty standard soap fare. I think the most important thing would be to get lapsed soap viewers to check this out from the beginning.

Just saw this curiosity:

11am Leeza 12pm Sunset Beach 1pm Days of our Lives 2pm Another World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997–98_United_States_network_television_schedule_(daytime)

Yep, her hair was literally falling out. She also never really seemed into the Hollywood lifestyle and fame.

Eventually, I'd want an aunt that's introduced as "having toured in Europe in the 70s and 80s": But then again, Ron is on the writing team so abort abort, he'd turn it into a campfest in a bad way.

Unfortunately, yup. It's like all those "self-aware" "gay" shows that are just so gay that they become completely unrelatable because they're all about being gay (absolutely not heterosexual). I find them completely unrelateable because they're not true to life despite being directed at me. And then how can anyone else find them relateable? At best, they end up being a joke and a punch line. I'm sorry for ranting. It's odd and I don't feel like explaining it but yeah. I think Val Jean knows about universal feelings while also making it interesting and not trying to bland it down. I guess that's my hope for BTG if I can project my feelings for a nervous minute lol.

At the risk of offending anyone am I the only white European person who just doesn't "get" Tyler Perry, but gets what exactly they're going for with this trailer? Maybe there's something subtle in the language or just anything else, but it connects. Tyler Perry's shows are weird where it's just trash-o-rama. It's more like they justify their behavior because they're black (which oddly feels racist in a roundabout way?), not the other way around. Does that even make sense?

What's funny about RuPaul's Drag Race is that the more broad it's trying to become, the less honest it is. I hope Beyond the Gates can balance this - broad emotions, but true to themselves. Hell, take it as a tag line.

Just another few thoughts about the trailer - we're clearly joining in with the break down of one marriage (Karla Moselys' character) and the supposed beginning of another marriage, which is a very clever way to intertwine it. I'll admit that the "purse line" storyline that will totally change her life might be the one that I will rag endlessly on about but all soaps will have that lmao. Sort of indifferent towards the whole "somebody wants to kill you" bit, but I do get the impression that the other Dupree sister might be a meddler, which is always fun.

Uploaded it here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/bgiwa7st1anaxli/Beyond+the+Gates+-+NEW+DAYTIME+DRAMA+SERIES+PREMIERES+MONDAY+FEBRUARY+24+720.mp4/file

Love of Life has so few surviving episodes from the 50s, but every time you tune into them you know what you're getting with Meg and Van's relationship even if they don't share a scene. This is the sort of recognisable I think the show needs. I guess my point of view that I hope they delve into it is coloured by the fact I just watched Sydney's first two episodes on Melrose Place, but sibling rivalry is just great soap fodder. I want it to absolutely fester in the background between them.

Messy sister relationships are like the bread and butter of soaps! I hope they push for this more.

I'm assuming for one of the girls' kids? It looks great and gives more context to everything. On a shallow note - I do love the sets. The one thing I can critique is that they could work a bit on the lightning, but it's a bit like looking a gift horse in the mouth. For those of you who can't view it on CBS YouTube (stupid country restrictions, boo!), I uploaded it here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/bgiwa7st1anaxli/Beyond+the+Gates+-+NEW+DAYTIME+DRAMA+SERIES+PREMIERES+MONDAY+FEBRUARY+24+720.mp4/file