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How bad was SORAS on GL among some of the characters? A few examples. Rick: born 1970, high school graduation 1983 Blake: born 1975, returned as an adult in 1988 Phillip: introduced in 1977 as a child, high school graduation 1983 Alan-Michael: born 1981, returned as a teen in 1987 Samantha: born 1981, returned as a teen in 1989 Little Billy: born 1985, elementary school aged in 1989 (Bryan Buffington was 9 years old in 1989) Michelle: born 1985, elementary school aged in 1990 (Rachel Miner was 10 years old in 1990) Marah: born 1987, elementary school aged in 1989 (Ashley Peldon was 5 years old in 1989)

Any word if PB gets a 35th anniversary episode?

1992-1994 B&B had too many females in the early 30s age range (Brooke, Macy, Taylor, Karen, Sheila) and not enough storyline to go around so Karen got lost in the shuffle.

Signs of tanking starting showing after the war crimes storyline was abruptly ended. Here's how 1984/85 season compared to the rest of the primetime soaps and the two rookie hits. I used the end of the war crimes storyline as the divider. September 28, 1984: Requiem (season 4 premiere), rating 23.4 (season high), 2nd for the week. Finished ahead of The Cosby Show (September 27: Goodbye, Mr. Fish (episode 2), rating 22.5, 3rd), Dynasty (September 26: Disappearance (season 5 premiere), rating 22.2, 4th); and Murder, She Wrote (September 30: The Murder of Sherlock Holmes (series premiere), rating 18.9, 9th). Dallas (September 28: Killer at Large (season 8 premiere), rating 26.4) was #1. No Knots Landing on September 27. October 5, 1984: Father's Day, rating 20.0, 10th for the week. Dallas (October 5: Battle Lines, rating 24.7) was #1, The Cosby Show (October 4: Bad Dreams (episode 3), rating 21.9) was 5th, Knots Landing (October 4: Buying Time (season 6 premiere), rating 21.1) was 7th; and Murder, She Wrote (October 7: Deadly Lady (episode 2), rating 20.3) was 9th. No Dynasty on October 3. October 12, 1984: Strangers, rating 18.5, 17th for the week. Dynasty (October 10: The Mortgage, rating 25.1) was 5th, Dallas (October 12: If at First You Don't Succeed, rating 24.0) was 7th, The Cosby Show (October 11: Is That My Boy? (episode 4), rating 20.6) was 9th; and Murder, She Wrote (October 14: Birds of a Feather (episode 3), rating 19.4) was 12th. No Knots Landing on October 11. October 19, 1984: The Outcasts, rating 19.4, 14th for the week. Dynasty (October 17: Fallon, rating 26.1) was #1, Dallas (October 19: Jamie, rating 24.6) was 2nd, The Cosby Show (October 18: A Shirt Story (episode 5), rating 21.3) was 7th, and Knots Landing (October 18: Calculated Risks, rating 19.7) was 13th. No Murder, She Wrote on October 21. October 26, 1984: Shadows, rating 19.9, 13th for the week. Finished ahead of Murder, She Wrote (October 28: Hooray for Homicide (episode 4), rating 19.7, 15th). Dynasty (October 24: The Rescue, rating 26.3) was #1, Dallas (October 26: Family, rating 25.9) was 2nd, The Cosby Show (October 25: Breaking with Tradition (episode 6), rating 21.2) was 8th, and Knots Landing (October 25: Hanging Fire, rating 20.5) was 9th. November 2, 1984: Lord of the Valley, rating 21.9, 4th for the week. Finished ahead of The Cosby Show (November 1: One More Time (episode 7), rating 20.0, 8th), Knots Landing (November 1: A Little Help, rating 19.2, 11th); and Murder, She Wrote (November 4: It’s a Dog’s Life (episode 5), rating 16.9, 23rd). Dallas (November 2: Shadow of Doubt, rating 27.1) was #1 and Dynasty (October 31: The Trial, rating 24.9) was 2nd. November 9, 1984: The Intruder, rating 21.1, 8th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (November 8: Ipso Facto, rating 19.4, 11th). Dallas (November 9: Homecoming, rating 26.2) was #1, Dynasty (November 7: The Verdict, rating 25.7) was 2nd, and The Cosby Show (November 8: Play it Again, Vanessa (episode 8), rating 21.2) was 7th. No Murder, She Wrote on November 11. November 16, 1984: Pain and Pleasure, rating 20.5, 11th for the week. Finished ahead of Murder, She Wrote (November 18: Lovers and Other Killers (episode 6), rating 19.1, 16th). Dallas (November 16: Oil Barons Ball III, rating 26.5) was 2nd, Dynasty (November 14: Amanda, rating 23.5) was 5th, The Cosby Show (November 15: How Ugly is He? (episode 9), rating 22.5) was 6th, and Knots Landing (November 15: Truth and Consequences, rating 20.7) was 10th. November 23, 1984: The Trump Card, rating 18.8, 11th for the week. Finished ahead of The Cosby Show (November 22: Bonjour Sondra (episode 10), rating 16.7, 18th) and Knots Landing (November 22: Love to Take You Home, rating 16.3, 22nd). Dynasty (November 21: The Secret, rating 24.3) was 3rd, Dallas (November 23: Shadows, rating 22.6) was 5th; and Murder, She Wrote (November 25: Hit, Run and Homicide (episode 7), rating 19.7) was 9th. November 30, 1984: Tarantella, rating 21.1, 12th for the week. Dallas (November 30: Charlie, rating 25.9) was 2nd, Dynasty (November 28: Domestic Intrigue, rating 25.2) was 3rd, and Knots Landing (November 29: Tomorrow Never Knows, rating 21.4, rating 21.4) was 11th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on November 29. No Murder, She Wrote on December 2. December 7, 1984: Going Once, Going Twice; rating 20.7, 12th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (December 6: We Come Together, rating 20.2, 18th). Dynasty (December 5: Krystina, rating 25.3) was #1, Dallas (December 7: Barbecue Five, rating 24.7) was 3rd, The Cosby Show (December 6: You're Not a Mother Night (episode 11), rating 23.1) was 4th; and Murder, She Wrote (December 9: We're Off to Kill the Wizard (episode 8), rating 22.3) was 6th. December 14, 1984: The Triumvirate, rating 20.4, 14th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (December 13: Message in a Bottle, rating 20.3, 15th) and Murder, She Wrote (December 16: Death Takes a Curtain Call (episode 9), rating 16.2, 30th). Dynasty (December 12: Swept Away, rating 26.5) was #1, Dallas (December 14: Do You Take This Woman, rating 25.2) was 2nd, and The Cosby Show (December 13: Rudy’s Sick (episode 12), rating 21.3) was 6th. December 21, 1984: Winner Take All, rating 18.4, 16th for the week. Dynasty (December 19: That Holiday Spirit, rating 25.9) was #1, Dallas (December 21: Déjà Vu, rating 23.0) was 4th, The Cosby Show (December 20: Father’s Day (episode 13), rating 21.7) was 6th, and Knots Landing (December 20: Distant Locations, rating 20.9) was 7th. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on December 23. December 28, 1984: Suitable for Framing, rating 21.2, 8th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (December 27: Uncharted Territory, rating 20.3, 10th). Dallas (December 28: Odd Man Out, rating 24.5) was #1 and Murder, She Wrote (December 30: Death Casts a Spell (episode 10), rating 22.3) was 6th. No Dynasty on December 26. The Cosby Show was a repeat on December 27. January 4, 1985: Vicious Circle, rating 21.5, 13th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (January 3: Weighing of Evils, rating 21.4, 14th). Dallas (January 4: Lockup in Laredo, rating 26.3) was 3rd, Dynasty (January 2: The Avenger, rating 26.2) was 4th; and Murder, She Wrote (January 6: Capitol Offense (episode 11), rating 22.4) was 9th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on January 3. January 11, 1985: Insult and Injury, rating 21.8, 7th for the week. Tied Murder, She Wrote (January 13: Broadway Malady (episode 12), rating 21.8, 7th). Finished ahead of Knots Landing (January 10: #14 With a Bullet, rating 18.6, 23rd). Dallas (January 11: Winds of War, rating 27.8 (season high)) was #1, Dynasty (January 9: The Will, rating 27.7 (season high)) was 2nd, and The Cosby Show (January 10: Independence Day (episode 14), rating 25.4) was 3rd. January 18, 1985: Pre-empted for Any Which Way You Can. The Cosby Show (January 17: Physician of the Year (episode 15), rating 27.9) was 3rd, Dynasty (January 16: The Treasure, rating 27.0) was 4th, and Knots Landing (January 17: Inside Information, rating 20.4) was 14th. No Dallas on January 18. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on January 20. January 25, 1985: Acid Tests, rating 20.0, 16th for the week. Dallas (January 25: Bail Out, rating 26.1) was #1, Dynasty (January 23: Foreign Relations, rating 25.0) was 3rd, and Knots Landing (January 24: Out of the Past, rating 21.3) was 10th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on January 24. No Murder, She Wrote on January 27. February 1, 1985: The Showdown, rating 20.1, 16th for the week. The Cosby Show (January 31: Jitterbug Break (episode 16), rating 27.8) was #1, Dynasty (January 30: Triangles, rating 27.0) was 2nd, Dallas (February 1: Legacy of Hate, rating 26.2) was 3rd, Knots Landing (January 31: Lead Me to the Altar, rating 22.9 (tied for season high)) was 8th; and Murder, She Wrote (February 3: Murder to a Jazz Beat (episode 13), rating 22.0) was 11th. February 8, 1985: Retribution, rating 20.3, 13th for the week. Finished ahead of Murder, She Wrote (February 10: My Johnny Lies Over the Ocean (episode 14), rating 19.9, 16th). The Cosby Show (February 7: Theo and the Joint (episode 17), rating 26.1) was #1, Dynasty (February 6: The Ball, rating 25.9) was 2nd, Dallas (February 8: Sins of the Fathers, rating 25.0) was 4th, and Knots Landing (February 7: Fly Away Home, rating 21.9) was 10th. On a win/loss/tie basis, the first 19 episodes of the season scored 1-16 vs. Dynasty, 3-12 vs. new episodes of The Cosby Show, 6-7-1 vs. new episodes of Murder, She Wrote; and 8-9 vs. Knots Landing. February 15, 1985: Forsaking All Others, rating 19.4, 17th for the week. The Cosby Show (February 14: Vanessa’s New Class (episode 18), rating 26.6) was #1, Dallas (February 15: The Brothers Ewing, rating 25.0) was 2nd, Dynasty (February 13: Circumstantial Evidence, rating 23.4) was 5th, Knots Landing (February 14: Rough Edges, rating 20.7) was 11th; and Murder, She Wrote (February 17: Paint Me a Murder (episode 15), rating 20.5) was 13th. February 22, 1985: Recriminations, rating 20.2, 15th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (February 21: The Emperor's Clothes, rating 18.8, 21st). Dallas (February 22: Shattered Dreams, rating 25.8) was #1, The Cosby Show (February 21: Clair’s Case (episode 19), rating 25.1) was 3rd, Dynasty (February 20: The Collapse, rating 24.6) was 4th; and Murder, She Wrote (February 24: Tough Guys Don't Die (episode 16), rating 21.7) was 11th. March 1, 1985: Pre-empted for The Wizard of Oz. The Cosby Show (February 28: Back to the Track Jack (episode 20), rating 27.0) was #1, Dynasty (February 27: Life and Death, rating 24.8) was 2nd, Dallas (March 1 (10 pm): Dead Ends, rating 22.6) was 7th; Murder, She Wrote (March 3: Sudden Death (episode 17), rating 21.6) was 9th; and Knots Landing (February 28: The Deluge, rating 20.3) was 13th. March 8, 1985: House Divided, rating 17.5, 22nd for the week. Dynasty (March 6: Parental Consent, rating 24.0) was 3rd, Dallas (March 8: Trial & Error, rating 22.4) was 6th, Knots Landing (March 7: A Piece of the Pie, rating 20.4) was 11th; and Murder, She Wrote (March 10: Footnote to Murder (episode 18), rating 19.7) was 12th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on March 7. March 15, 1985: The Trial, rating 17.6, 20th for the week. The Cosby Show (March 14: The Younger Woman (episode 21), rating 28.3) was #1, Dynasty (March 13: Photo Finish, rating 24.2) was 2nd, Dallas (March 15: The Verdict, rating 22.7) was 5th; and Murder, She Wrote (March 17: Murder Takes the Bus (episode 19), rating 22.4) was 6th. No Knots Landing on March 14. March 22, 1985: Pre-empted for NCAA Basketball. Dynasty (March 20: The Crash, rating 22.6) was 3rd and Knots Landing (March 22 (9 pm): The Forest from the Trees, rating 16.0) was 29th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on March 21. No Dallas on March 22. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on March 24. March 29, 1985: Justice for All, rating 19.2, 15th for the week. The Cosby Show (March 28: The Slumber Party (episode 22), rating 30.1 (season high)) was #1, Dynasty (March 27: Reconciliation, rating 23.1) was 5th, Dallas (March 29: Sentences, rating 23.0) was 6th; Murder, She Wrote (March 31: Armed Response (episode 20), rating 21.2) was 10th, and Knots Landing (March 28: A Man of Good Will, rating 19.4) was 14th. April 5, 1985: Pre-empted for Stormin’ Home. Dynasty (April 3: Sammy Jo, rating 23.1) was 3rd; Murder, She Wrote (April 7: Murder at the Oasis (episode 21), rating 20.4) was 5th; and Knots Landing (April 4: For Better, for Worse; rating 18.2) was 13th. No The Cosby Show on April 4. No Dallas on April 5. April 12, 1985: Devil’s Harvest, rating 18.5, 19th for the week. Dynasty (April 10: Kidnap, rating 24.5) was 2nd, Dallas (April 12: Terms of Estrangement, rating 22.1) was 6th, and Knots Landing (April 11: Four, No Trump; rating 19.9) was 11th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on April 11. No Murder, She Wrote on April 14. April 19, 1985: The Decline, rating 16.9, 17th for the week. Murder She Wrote (April 21: Funeral at Fifty-Mile (season 1 finale), rating 24.5 (season high)) was 2nd and Dallas (April 19: The Ewing Connection, rating 21.1) was 5th. No Dynasty on April 17. The Cosby Show was a repeat on April 18. No Knots Landing on April 18. April 26, 1985: Pre-empted for Arthur the King. No Dynasty on April 24. The Cosby Show was a repeat on April 25. No Knots Landing on April 25. No Dallas on April 26. May 3, 1985: And the Fall, rating 18.3, 6th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (May 2: A Price to Pay, rating 17.8, 9th). The Cosby Show (May 2: Mr. Quiet (episode 23), rating 25.5) was #1 and Dallas (May 3: Deeds and Misdeeds, rating 21.4) was 3rd. No Dynasty on May 1. May 10, 1985: Cold Comfort, rating 19.1, 8th for the week. The Cosby Show (May 9: Cliff’s Birthday (season 1 finale), rating 24.1) was #1, Dallas (May 10: Deliverance, rating 22.6) was 2nd, Dynasty (May 8: The Heiress, rating 21.9) was 3rd, and Knots Landing (May 9: One Day in a Row, rating 19.2) was 7th. May 17, 1985: Confessions, rating 22.0, 4th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (May 16: Vulnerable, rating 20.2, 6th). Dallas (May 17 (8:30-10 pm): Swan Song (season 8 finale), rating 27.5) was #1 and Dynasty (May 15: Royal Wedding (season 5 finale), rating 25.9) was 2nd. May 24, 1985: The Avenging Angel (season 4 finale), rating 16.4, 12th for the week. Knots Landing (May 23: The Long and Winding Road (season 6 finale), rating 22.9 (tied for season high)) was #1. On a win/loss basis, the remaining 11 episodes scored 3-6 vs. Knots Landing. Dallas weakened as a lead in starting March 1985 and that also played a part in the ratings drop during the final 11 episodes of the season.

1989 Cassandra was the #2 female after Cricket plus she was Bill Bell's new pet. I feel Cassandra got elevated due to MTS pregnancy leave and ED departure.

Caroline was one of B&B's best original characters as written by Bill Bell but I don't think she had much of an impact in the years following her death. Bill Bell essentially replaced Caroline with Taylor.

Jazz, Tyrone, Andy, Amy departures overlap w/ the EP change from H. Wesley Kenney to Ed Scott. Jazz and Tyrone were gone in 1986, Andy was gone in 1987, Amy was gone in 1988. Nathan pretty much replaced Andy and Lynne pretty much replaced Amy.

@soapfan770 AFAIK Keesha race was never stated but I'm pretty sure it was implied that she was African-American. I don't know how in the mid-1990s Y&R got away with casting actresses of Puerto Rican and Italian heritage as an African-American character.

1981 GL introduced the Lewis family from Oklahoma that owns an oil company and that was clearly Dallas influence. Douglas Marland created the Lewis family but Pamela Long expanded and elevated them to a core family.

Going by original actors, not recasts. 1980s: Marguerite Ray, Brock Peters, Stephanie Williams, Jon St. Elwood, Phil Morris, Nathan Purdee all monoracial African-American AFAIK. 1990s: Victoria Rowell, KSJ, Shemar Moore all biracial w/ African-American father and white mother. Tonya Lee Williams Jamaican. 2000s: Christel Khalil biracial w/ Pakistani father and African-American mother. Bryton James biracial w/ African-American father and white mother. 2010s: Mishael Morgan Trinidadian.

The final 10 episodes of season 6 were the peak of Knots Landing for me. Knots Landing starts tanking for me in the aftermath of Val's babies. Joshua descent into madness and eventual death was painful to watch, Empire Valley became a mess, and I didn't like Ben/Cathy storyline.

Well it was the late 1970s

1999 opening credits style! Jill really should be the matriarch/grande dame, it just makes sense. EB is the real MVP and he is carrying the show on his back.

I brought this up before, but I think the Williams family was added in an attempt to get the African-American audience away from NBC.

To me, Roger didn't care about what the rest of Springfield thought of him. The only person who's opinion of him mattered to Roger was Maureen.

Victor has no respect for Jack and Billy, but he respected their father John. Victor respected John because John was a good businessman and John was also a good father, which Victor didn't have and Victor tried to be.

That I don't know. We have Les Moonves, Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin, and Paul Rauch to blame for that.

Nielsen people meters and writer's strike messed up 1988. That year was a write off for most shows.

Hotel was The Love Boat on land but a little soapier.

Once again, I totally agree. It was so wrong to root for Roger/Holly because of their past, yet it was so right to root for them. Even when they were not together, there was always something brewing between them. MG herself said that she and MZ connected right away as actors and clearly the writers and the audience saw that connection as well. I still think the best description for Roger/Holly was the anti-supercouple.

100% this. Holly was a big part of the early 1990s golden era.

Abby has been a waste of space for like 14 years now.

If my math is correct, by the time of the final episode, GL's longest running cast members without a departure were Tina Sloan (26 years) and Frank Dicopolous (22 years).

MTS and Ed Scott were married in October 1985. 1986 Y&R moved past All My Children for #2 and that same year was the EP change from H. Wesley Kenney to Ed Scott. I'm not sure of the exact date though. To save digging in the ratings thread, here's Y&R's 1980s rating rise. 1983: CBS's highest-rated daytime drama, and #4 behind the ABC big three. 1984: Moved past One Life to Live for #3. 1986: Moved past All My Children for #2. 1988: Tied General Hospital for #1. 1989: Moved past General Hospital for #1.

Ed Scott becoming EP overlaps w/ Cricket eating the show. 1987 and 1988 MTS was the #2 female after LLB.