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I have and all I can find are disjointed clips on youtube. If you could link me to a site that has them, I'd be very grateful.

Ugh, that sucks about RHONYC being postponed. They're easily my favorite cast, though my fave housewife, Bethenny, won't be on anymore. Having not seen season 3 at all, I was looking forward to the marathon of repeats the day of the premiere. It SUCKS that CW only showed S1 & S2 and Bravo never repeats it at all. Hopefully, I'll get to see it soon.

I remember The Wizard of Oz fantasy- I'm pretty sure it was when Lisa Peluso was playing Ava. Actually, I'm positive because Ava was Dorothy and Jeremy Hunter was one of her 3 companions, I'm thinking the lion. Not positive, but I think I remember Randy Mantooth's Alex was the Scarecrow. Not sure about the Tin Man. Is any of this right Carl?

Things have gotten better in my personal life and I finally got another job. I don't want to make any promises or guarantees yet, but I have not given up on this project and I do hope to revive it this year, hopefully in the not-so-distant future. Keep checking back- not sure if I'll make any kind of announcement or hoopla- I want to just start in writing again.

Agreed DF. How annoying is it that every time Kim and now Andy brings up the fact that Taylor clearly stirred the pot when she went up to Camille's room, Taylor deflects by saying that Kim didn't have Kyle's back in New York? It's beyond tiresome and I can't stand it that NOBODY is calling Taylor on her BS when she instigated this whole thing AND fanned the flames.

You know, I know that Celeste Holm is an Oscar winning actress and all, but I just never warmed to her on 'Loving'. To me, Augusta Dabney was the only Isabelle Alden, but I even preferred Patrica Barry's Isabelle to Holm's version. Does anyone else remember that there was a painting in the Alden mansion- I can't remember if it was of Isabelle or of Cabot and Isabelle- but it was in the main living room and that they made 3 different versions of the painting while each actress played the part? Can someone back me up or am I totally crazy?

Aww, thanks for posting that Carl. I just LOVE her. I was devastated and at a loss when AW let her go. It's a shame she hasn't done much since. I don't care how many years Judi Evans played the part and how popular defining she became- Cali Timmins will always be the true Paulina to me, much like Deb Adair is still my Kate, despite Koslow having played her for like 14 years.

You're so lucky to have those! Though I really am more interested in episodes from 85-88, watching the first year is fun for me because I've never seen it.

I DVRed it, so now I'm excited to watch. I'm SUPER-PISSED that they're not showing RHONYC season 3 repeats now- they switched to Orange County! Damnit, I'd never any of the episodes and just got through season 1 & 2 through repeats and was SO looking forward to S3. Damn you CW! :angry:

I'm watching the NYC repeats too and I'm with ya on the Bethenny LOVE! Will post more after I watch pt 2 of the reunion! Oh, and I love it WAYYYYYY more than Beverly Hills- these women have all sorts of personality and senses of humor.

Wow! If Miranda was after Mac, that means McConnell must have shared scenes with Vicky Wyndham. I'd have been very interested to see their work together- I could very much see them being a formidable duo. Poor Judith though. I think every show she's ever been cast on has made her play older than her actual age. You would never guess she was in her 30s in the pictures from AW which seems purposeful considering the character & storyline description. And then on Santa Barbara, she was in her early 40s and clearly, the character was intended to be well over 40. I believe they even had her dye her hair grey, as they did the same when Jed Allan came on as CC.

Yes, I'd be curious about that stuff. I wasn't reading the soap mags at the time and the whole Eplin/Wheeler thing is something I've always been curious about. In my fanfic, I cast Victoria Wyndham and Charles Keating as new characters, so them. I think a menacing Keating would have fit right in on SB. I also think that Lisa Peluso's humor and Anne Heche's raw talent could have definitely added something to SB. William Grey Espy would have been a good actor to bring over and pair with Sophia or Gina. I also would have been interested to see Alicia Coppola take on BJ and think that Cali Timmins would have made a FAR better Kelly recast than Eileen Davidson, since the Dobsons clearly wanted to do away with my Carrington. And, not that it ever should have been done, but over the years, I think a blonde Julie Osburn may have made an interesting Eden recast. But my BIGGEST wish, which is why I cast her that way in my fanfic, is that Carmen Duncan had played the role of Pamela Capwell Conrad. I think she would have been PERFECT for the part and much better suited than Marj Dusay or Shirley Anne Field were. As for SB actors moving over to AW, I think Lane Davies would have been great over there. I think he could have had much chemistry with any number of the AW vets- Donna, Felicia, or even Rachel all would have been great with him. Nancy Grahn is another one who would have been good. I think she would have made an interesting Nicole Love recast. I also think Carrington Garland would have made a very effective Amanda or Paulina. And while there were rumors of Mason & Julia being sent over there, I think Robin Mattson's Gina and Justin Deas' Keith would have been better choices to jettison to Bay City. To tell you the truth, I'm hard pressed to think of ANY actors the 2 shows shared. Come to think of it, I believe Judith McConnell was on AW back in the day, but that was before I was born.

I'm just caught the last half of S1 of New York on CW and I gotta say, I LOVE these bitches. Constant controversy, they say what's on their minds and don't hold back- I appreciate that far more than the fakeness of most of the Beverly Hills girls and the loony, batsh!t psychotic antics of the Jersey women. My favorite changes each episode, but so far, the rotation has been Jill, LuAnn, and Bethenny (though the S2 opener had Ramona moving up on my list). The only one I absolutely CAN'T stand is Alex. She reminds me of the snooty neighbor from Roseanne, turning her nose up, yet forgetting she lives next door to the very people she's turning it up to. Seems to me that Alex & Simon have all sorts of delusions of grandeur.

I miss all the AW chatter. Cat, aren't you watching anymore?!?

I don't think anyone is happy as can be in any real life situation. I'm just not so sure that's the case here, thus why I said 'funny', not 'happy'. There's cameras involved, Nick and his wife are career actors, and Camille is clearly trying to use the show as a springboard to her own future endeavors. My point is it's not all black and white, especially in Hollywood. Sure, the drama is amped up on the other 'Housewives' shows, but I think there are larger kernels of truth there. On this edition, I'm far more skeptical of EVERYONE, but Camille- and Nick by default- are fascinating because she's so f*cked up that it's kind of hard to tell where the lines are blurred and to whom they are blurry. I wasn't being defensive, merely trying to clarify myself without being so direct and obvious about it.

I didn't say 'gigolo', per se. I believe I said on they payroll. Big difference. And, quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it is funny to all parties involved, save Nick's 2 year old.

My guess? I think Nick's on the "payroll," if you know what I mean. That scene with them all dining outside with his wife smacks of hot, out-of-work-actor-in-need-of-money-and-wife-willing-to-let-him-do-what-he-got-to-do-to-make-it. Though, I don't know how long I'd allow it to go on (if at all) with a loose cannon like Camille. Oh, and so you know, the Gods have ordained that we can again say bitch without it showing up [#@%0#]. Just like them people on the teevee. Cedric is amazing. LOVE him!

Indeed. But I would like to see it for myself.

Gee, thanks for reminding me of "The Thing that Ate Santa Barbara in 1992" (Zimmah's Jodie), Carl.

I've had some personal problems of late with my family that I can't really go into. I am going to continue the story, so bare with me........again! I'm in the process of jotting down some thoughts & really moving things along. There are so many things that I want to play out so badly that I refuse to let 'RTSB' die completely. Hang in there guys!

Eden was most certainly a bitch early on. I didn't start watching until late 1985 and by then, much of that had vanished. However, a couple of the readers of 'RTSB' sent me DVDs with old episodes on them and Eden was bitchy to say the least. Most of her venom was directed at Sophia when she returned- Eden didn't take kindly to her mother at first and with good reason. But it wasn't just because of her mother's abandonment; you could clearly see that Eden relished being the lady of the house in her mother's absence and wasn't about to be displaced. She also directed her bitchiness to Gina, though Gina was far more deserving of it than Sophia. I also remember her sort of playing games with Lionel when she first came to town, flirting with him and I think he didn't know who she was at the time. There was also no love lost between her & Mason. I think they started softening her when they paired her with Cruz and while she did lose most of her bitchiness, she still acted sort of entitled and certainly privilidged. She also still could be very tough when the situation called for it- Eden certainly was no pushover. The playfulness she describes was definitely a major part of her as well. She remains and will forever remain my favorite soap character of all time and that's a testament to Marcy. She and A Martinez WERE magic & I LOVE that he describes working with her as exactly that. It's always the first word that comes to my mind: A & Marcy as Cruz & Eden were, indeed, MAGIC. No other soap couple even comes close for me. It's funny how A says that people around him who'd seen his acting for years told him that he was doing his best work with Marcy and this was only 1985. Most of the stuff they were doing up until then was fun, playful, romantic stuff and yet they still cited it as his best work. I bet they were blown away with the work he did in 1986, when Eden "died." He should have won the Emmy in 1987 for that stuff and in the interview you posted, Robin Mattson expresses how disappointed she and everyone was that he lost. One final thing of note is how he says here that Marcy was the first actress who gave him the ability to genuinely laugh in front of the camera. On the SB video site that I believe is linked to in this thread, there's a section where A gives his thoughts on the scenes and he says the exact same thing. 25 years later. I love them & miss them. I'm thankful to Barbara Walters and "The View" every day that we got that reunion between them. In the clip, you could see that there's still genuine affection between the two of them, even if they are no longer in one another's lives. Magic, simply magic.

Thanks so much for posting that Carl! Great read! I wonder what role she was offered on ATWT- I never knew she even auditioned for them, let alone landed a part. Anyone have any idea what part it could have been? I'm pretty sure she started on AMC in 1981, if that helps.

Those would be the years of the Hogan/Sunny stuff yes. And Louise Gideon replaced Sherry Mathis in 1985, that I know. I'm just DYING to know why they recast. Thanks!

So no answers to my questions?

Aww, that's so sad. I really liked Michelle on SB and any role I saw her in thereafter. What a shame.