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When I have regular computer access again, you will. There's a reason I'm never here or post on the site- I can't get on! It will come back. It will always return. It's a labor of love and I'd kill to actually do something with it someday. It's a dream of mine to revive it and if those people at this AMC/OLTL venture had half a brain, they'd have contacted me by now because SB OR RTSB will bring EYEBALLS to their internet soap-speriment. And that's a fact. There's a reason you all read and come back when I bring it back. Because this is how a real soap should be done and none of them are doing it and none of them will ever do it like SB did it so this is ALL WE HAVE! So I will always come back to it. I miss it. It's hard to pick it back up and preserve continuity because I have to re-read the entire series each time because all of this is done from my head. But Mark. My. Words. IT WILL BE BACK. AND IT WILL BE DAMN GOOD!

LOL, well, considering you've only read 1, you're about 105 episodes behind...... How about you check out those and catch up during the hiatus? That way, when we return, you'll know what's going on. Because honestly, this is not an easy blog to follow if you A)Don't know the original program "Santa Barbara" or B ) Haven't read and paid attention from the beginning. If it's a "NO" to both, which I suspect in your case it is, then some stories will be impossible to follow and your enjoyment of the series will be diminished immensely.

I thought she had. I wish I didn't have to take yet another hiatus, but I have no other choice

I can't give you guys lots of details but here's what I'll tell you: I've moved out of my house and will have no computer access in-home until mid-September so RTSB is on a brief hiatus unfortunately. BUT.... When we return, there will be a schedule every week that I will be 100% sticking to. AND.... I'm going to revive "Talkin Santa Barbara!" Only this time.... I'll be interviewing guests!!!! And not just any guests.... But CAST AND FORMER CREW of our beloved "Santa Barbara" That's right I'll be working all summer on booking interviews with stars like A Martinez, Nancy Grahn, Harley Kozak, Lane Davies, etc,.... I will also try & book 'RTSB' cast members not appearing on 'SB' PLUS WRITERS llke Patrick Mulcahey, Anne Howard Bailey (is she alive?!?), Thom Racina, and MANY MORE!!! If anyone has contact info for any of these people, please EMAIL me at [email protected] It's NOT over you guys 'RTSB' WILL BE BACK!!!!!

It's because Quinn was one of those supporting characters that fans take for granted- we love them but we're not overly enthralled with them and don't realize how much we love them and need them there until they're gone. I really liked her. If Louise was the Cory maid, then yes, I do believe I remember some of her stuff, although I was very young in those days. Then again, I was only 5 when Kathleen Layman's MJ was around and I distinctly remember her!

I remember the exact Mother Hudson sequence you're describing and it was hilarious. And yes, the PSDonna/Felicia friendship was not only awkward but wrong. Anna Stuart's Donna had no friends. I remember a flustered and frustrated Michael going off on Donna when she said she didn't care for Felicia, saying that "everybody likes Felicia!" It was SO funny because it was SO true- Donna was just such a snob and disliked her for no reason, which I thought was HILARIOUS. In fact, one of my favorite Donna sequences EVER was a couple weeks either in the 80s or shortly after Stuart's return when, in order to win back Michael, he challenged her to make friends with Rachel and Felicia. I remember her showing up to the Cory mansion making nice-nice with Rachel and I think inviting Rachel over to breakfast at the Love mansion. I remember Vicky Wyndham's reactions were PRICELESS, as she couldn't figure out what the hell Donna was doing. Donna did the same thing with Felicia and Dano had the same reaction that Wyndham/Rachel did. I agree with you on Larry & Clarice- I really liked them, especially Larry, and thought they should have been kept around in a recurring capacity at the very least. I think they could have easily blended in with the late 80s/early 90s cast, including characters like John, Sharlene, Mitch, Frankie, Nicole, etc... I didn't know that the show killed off Quinn- I liked her and could never figure out what happened to her. Was she murdered by the Sin Stalker? LOL- I know AWHP was down at the time of your post because I was trying to look up the very same thing!!!! :lol: Great minds.... And finally, the show did a TOTAL number on MJ. She was a completely different character. As I said, under Layman, she was one of my favorite characters on the show during that period. In fact, MJ & Kathleen were my 2 favorite heroines on AW during those years.

Actually, according to AWHP, Clarice was at both Mac and Ada's funerals, while Larry was indeed only at Mac's. Speaking of Larry, wasn't there some storyline where he went undercover as a male stripper? Or is that just something else Rick Porter's done that I'm thinking of? Either way, Larry was FINE and when Kathleen Layman played MJ and they were flirting with a Larry/MJ romance, I was all for it. They had TONS of chemistry. But my mom always told me then and when we've discussed Larry/Clarice well after they were gone that Larry would never have cheated on Clarice, no matter how much chemistry he shared with the "other woman." That's too bad about Kathleen Layman. Did you ever get to see her in the role Carl? It seems like you haven't or at least not much of her because if you had, I don't think you could have had even the slightest soft spot for Sally Spencer's version. She was just all kinds of miscast as the MJ I knew and loved, but then again, she was no longer written as RealMJ. I never will understand to this day why they recast and why they changed MJ's character so drastically. She was actually one of my favorite characters when Kathleen Layman played her. Awww, me too as you already know. We seem to have similar tastes in AW characters and actresses. Like, for example, we both really liked Cali Timmins as Paulina and preferred her to Evans. Agreed. It was a major turnoff in the beginning, though my mom and I still watched. We basically had to FF her and Philiece Sampler's NotDonna. Blech. I agree about Sharlene- I liked her sometimes, found her annoying at others. I liked her best when Sharlene was a strong, proud woman, and least where she was a weak hot mess. I LOVED me some Adam Cory (Ed Fry) though. I think he also started with Kathleen Layman's MJ and they had FAR more chemistry than he did with Sally Spencer's version.

It was- remember, it was created by Agnes Nixon and Doug Marland. I don't know too much about what went on behind the scenes on Loving but from what I've read and gathered over the years, I do believe Agnes Nixon was a stronger influence than Marland was. In fact, when Marland eventually left the show, he asked to be removed from the credits as even a creator. Anyhow, I've seen the Ava/Kate and Erica/Mona comparisons time and again. Obviously there are Rachel/Ada comparisons as well. I do believe Ava/Kate were unique characters in their own right and their relationship lied somewhere in the middle of the other two that I mentioned. I saw Ava as being a lot more fun of a schemer than Rachel, yet not quite as campy or over the top as Erica. I also believe, at least with Roya in the role, that Ava was a little more plain than both of them and certainly more simple. Ava was a schemer and wanted to be a social climber, but was WAY out of her league with people like Cabot, Isabelle, Ann, and ESPECIALLY Gwen. She was almost tragic to watch, as the viewers always kind of knew that Ava would never truly achieve the status she wanted to, no matter how she tried. Kate pretty much saw it the way that we did and while she loved her daughter and encouraged her to pursue her dreams (albeit not in the way Ava always went about it), Kate could see that Ava was destined for failure, yet she was helpless from stopping the trainwreck from happening. Ava was extremely headstrong and mostly didn't listen to anything that Kate said. In fact, Ava always took it as Kate not wanting her to move up in social class when it was usually just that Kate was trying to teach her that having class wasn't about money or marrying into it. It was something that could only be achieved with hard work, persistence, and honesty. Unfortunately, Ava only possessed one of those qualities (perserverence). As for Kate stacked up against Mona & Ada, I think Kate was tougher than Mona but not nearly as tough as Ada. She was also decidedly more lower-middle class than either of them and more like a real life mom at the time. She worked for a living, kept a nice home, and was a very proud woman. She had this inner strength and she herself could go toe to toe with the Aldens and Gwyneth any day of the week. She was a strong woman who could say more with a look or a glance than some women could say with an entire monologue. And Nada Rowland was an excellent actress who was able to play it without many words. Instead, she gave a lot of meaning to the few words she was given, whether it was giving advice or standing up for herself or Ava. She was brilliant and Rowland & Megnot had some of the best mother/daughter chemistry I've ever seen in daytime, I think even moreso than Heflin/Lucci but again, not quite as much as Ford/Wyndham. Just another case of Ava/Kate once again falling somewhere in between Rachel/Ada and Erica/Mona. Either way, they were quite brilliant and their relationship was fascinating to watch and a key element in making Ava's character work. It's why, as much as I love her, Lisa Peluso took A LOT of getting used to in the role- some of those things that made the relationship special, like Kate's knowing that Ava would probably never fulfill her dream of moving into the upper crest of Corinth society. Because Peluso's Ava COULD and did move into the upper class and certainly could hold her own with Gwyn and the Aldens where Roya's Ava could not.

I rather liked Cheryl, but I see your point. I agree that MJ was needy and helpless though, at least with Sally Spencer playing the part and she was by then. MJ was not at all a victim when Kathleen Layman played her- she was much stronger and a very good cop. I loved Layman and have often wondered why AW let her go and replaced her with Spencer. Was she fired? Did she quit? Does anyone have any idea? I honestly don't believe I've posed that question before so if anyone is able to enlighten us with the answer (paging all lurkers or maybe thelma or denzo30 I'm not sure they were 100% sure that Julie Osburn wasn't coming back as Kathleen either. I believe that it was always the plan for Cass to return in 6 months- wasn't it Schnetzer's choice to take a break from the show? I think they may have thought they worked out the same thing with Osburn as well and that she'd return in 6 months with Schnetzer. I'm not certain about this though. I think it was always the plan for Schnetzer to come back (and Osburn to join him) but if anyone has any information or online sources for this information, please post it! I sort of agree with this and sort of don't. I think that Denise was given a thankless and pointless character who was virtually isolated from most of the the characters in the cast. I'm pretty sure her main interactions were with the Loves, Michael, her own family, and a sprinkle of Cass & Felicia. I don't remember her interacting with Rachel & Mac at all, at least on a one-on-one basis. I'm sure they shared scenes in party sequences or if Mac & Rachel ever came into Mary's Place but not much else. The storyline with Reginald, Vince, Mary's amnesia, and Scott's real parents was a muddled, convuluted mess and it's the only real story Denise/Mary McKinnon was given. After that was over, she didn't do much except work for Michael and dispense advice to Cheryl (her last remaining biological child) and Scott. I don't even think she had much interaction with Jake when Tom Eplin returned to the show! I'm sure Denise is a fine, talented actress (my mother raves about her portrayal of Susan Hunter(Martin?) on DAYS) but I did not care for her on AW and haven't seen her work on any other soap (I've never really been a GH fan and the few times over the years that I've watched, I haven't ever caught Leslie Webber). Shoot, I don't believe I ever got to see this. Did it make it to air on SoapNet? I can't remember- I just know they were getting to the meat of the Kathleen/Cass/Frankie triangle when it went off. I know she was at Mac's funeral in 1989, but did she make an appearance for Ada's funeral when Connie Ford died in 1993? I know they brought some characters back for that (Larry & Clarice came back, didn't they? Or am I confusing that with Mac's funeral? I know there were some characters who returned for both but I can't remember who exactly. Either way, I do agree that Alexander should have been kept around in a recurring capacity in 1991 when Kathleen returned. Hell, I think that Robert Hogan's Vince should have been recurring for that as well. Did Vince return with Mary to reunite with Kathleen? It only seems fitting that he would.

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saynotoursoap- Do you by chance have any clips or episodes that include the Liz/Dan/Susan storyline? I've read so much about it on this site over the past couple years and being the Marie Masters fan that I became when I started watching in 2000, I'm DYING to see her play out this storyline that sounds like it had some real teeth.

OMG Carl! Thanks SO much for posting that article! I had forgotten all about Louise Stubbs as Minnie Madden- she was such a delightfully unique character. It's a shame she didn't last longer than she did. She certainly wasn't a token black character, that's for sure. To consolidate my post, I'll respond to both of your posts together, since they go hand and hand. First of all- Carl- I don't think the show was ever THAT much of a mess onscreen, at least during the main years of my viewership, which were the 1987-1991. I LOVED the show and frankly grew to like it even more than SFT, which I had watched before it. This could also have to do with the fact the I was only 7 when Search went off the air, but I do remember a lot of it and I loved much of the cast. Sunny Adamson, Hogan McCleary, Liza Sentell (Sherry Mathis), Wendy Wilkins(Lisa Peluso), Cagney McCleary, Estelle, TR, Suzi (Cynthia Gibb), Quinn McCleary, and of course, Stu Bergman & JoAnn Tourner. But Loving fit the bill beautifully and I quickly fell in love with Ava Rescott, Kate Rescott, Clay Alden/Alex Masters, Egypt & Minnie, Gwyneth Alden, Cabot & Isabelle Alden, Trisha Alden & Steve Sowolsky, Harry Sowolsky, Ned Bates, Jack Forbes, Lily Slater, and my fave Loving diva of all-time, Ann Alden. I think the stories I initially remember best are the Ned/April love story and triangle with the popular blonde girl whose name escapes me, the Stacey/Jack/Lily fatal attraction story, the Gwyn/Harry/Ann triangle, the introduction and mystery of Rick Stewart (eventually revealed to be Gwyn's biological son), and the Gwyn/Clay/Ava triangle which eventually turned into the Alex Masters storylline and triangle with his real wife Egypt. I actually fell in love with the show even moreso than I was with Search. It was the little show that could- as EricMontreal often mentions, it was almost like a secret society of viewers. I have never met anyone in real life, except my Grandmother, who watched the show, especially from 86-91. It definitely didn't feel like a mess to me onscreen- in fact, I felt like they packed a lot of story into each 30 minute episode, much of which was character driven. I certainly felt that it was a lot better than SFT was when I watched that show from 83-86. I loved the pacing of it, I loved the characters, and I especially LOVED the contrasting mother/daughter relationships of Kate/Ava and Gwyn/Trisha. It was clever and ironic that Ava had this wonderful Earth Mother in Kate, yet she was a troubled, spoiled, social climbing vixen, and then Trisha, whose mom was major diva Gwyn, was this sweet, salt of the earth privilidged girl. I found both relationships fascinating to watch. Did Loving ever set the Earth on fire with their plots? Not really. Was I enthralled with it like I was with Santa Barbara, and to a lesser extent DAYS & AW? Nope. But I loved the show for what it was and that was character-driven storytelling through rich familial relationships and strong friendships and bonds that went beyond the class system the show set up. I enjoyed the hell out of it from 87-91 and didn't find it at all uneven, let alone a MESS onscreen.

Yup, definitely Cruz & Eden's song, probably my favorite Cruz & Eden song too...

Episodes are still pending you guys. I know I've been away for a few weeks, but this is not a stopping point- the show will go on. I don't want to promise anything, but I'm hoping to post a new episode tomorrow! Thanks for your patience everyone (except sb34 )

Agreed, especially in the early to late 90s- it was so tawdry, which is what I loved about it. Plus, they had the sexiest slimeball ever to grace soaps- Brent Jasmer as Sly Donovan :wub:

KKL looks so FIERCE in that picture with Thorne. I wish she'd have kept that hairstyle- she looked like a million bucks!

You mean someone on the show mentioned him? Or one of us? I know I've mentioned him quite a few times on here- I love me some Connor Davis and Scott Thompson Baker. Are you sure those '91 and '92 cast photos are marked right? Kimberlin was full time on Y&R on '91 and joined B&B in '92. Actually, I'm pretty sure it can't be right- Scott Thompson Baker was on AMC from 1991-1992- he didn't join B&B until '93. And I remember Kevin & Keith- I'm pretty sure they didn't join until '93 either. Plus they're pictured in '91, not in '92, and then again in '93, so the timeline is off. Also, Darla's hair is short in the '91 picture and long in the '92 picture. She started with long hair and then cut it short. Also, Michael Watson only appeared on the show in 1992. I'm pretty sure the '91 picture is actually '93, the '92 pic is actually '92, and the '93 pic is actually '94. Then the pics from '94 to '96 are actually cast pics of the year after, which fills the '97 gap you have. Just an educated guess, but I'm pretty sure it's right.

Actually, IMO, Carlson was the only improvement. Stenovitch, who looked just like Carlson, seemed to just try to imitate Amy's version of the character and didn't do it very well. I thought Carlson was quite terrific in the role. In fact, she was nominated for a Daytime Emmy for her last year on the show. I enjoyed the Gary/Josie romance but only with the original portrayers in the parts. Either way, IMO, Wilson was AWFUL, Carlson was VERY GOOD, and Stenovitch was adequate. ETA: Oh, and while I thought the quad with Cameron & Amanda WAS rather pointless, I really liked the Cameron character. He was so masculine and brooding, kinda like the new Mitch Blake. He was something that was missing on AW at the time and I really enjoyed him, his portrayer, and his romance with Amanda.

It's the little chain-looking icon next to the smiley face in the post screen. You click on that and paste the link in the box. There's also another box below it where you can name the link like this: EARLY MAURA- Carly and Mike do the Nasty 1995 was pretty awesome, thanks to Maura's arrival as Carly and the Rosanna/Mike/Carly triangle. God, re-watching those Colleen scenes and now the vintage Maura is making me miss the hell out of ATWT. Hard to believe it's almost been a year.

Haven't seen it- off to watch now! Be sure & use the link feature on clips that cannot be embedded!

Can someone PLEASE post clips from the Susan/Bob/Kim storyline, ESPECIALLY Susan/Kim rivalry clips.

Yes, life has just been very busy the past couple weeks. I haven't forgotten about you guys.

That's too bad about Kimberlee Simms. She would have been dynamite as Vicky, far better than the awful Jensen Buchanan. I LOVE Noelle Beck but she would have been all kinds of wrong as Vicky. I'd have liked to have seen her take on Amanda though. ***spits orange soda all over the computer screen*** :lol: I'm pretty sure that role was written for Philip Brown, who was actually cast but had to quit because he had problems memorizing all of the lines.

Glad you're enjoying it sevilla! And I'm very happy that you went back and started from the beginning. I have a feeling you'd be pretty lost had you not done that!!! :lol:

I took an extended break this past week guys- was sick last weekend, had lots of job interviews during the week, followed by a busy weekend. I had a free day on Sunday but I caught Emmy fever! Anyhow, I have all day off today and will be working on the outlines for the week and should have a new episode posted sometime tonight! Thank you for your patience and understanding.