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Another 90s one that came to mind was moving Northern Exposure from Monday nights to Wednesday nights for its final season. Definitely a tank job there. @kalbir What exactly happened to NBC’s hit Riptide in the mid-80’s?

Wow how did I miss this thread, thanks for starting @kalbir! One of the first instances I remember this happening was a show I enjoyed on ABC called The Charmings, basically Snow White cursed to the real world 25 years prior to Once Upon A Time. Well lo and behold they even started running advertisements of the evil queen/stepmother causing the show to air against The Cosby Show as its second season faltered and well once it aired against Cosby the show collapsed, plummeted and was cancelled. It was a first for me lol. I think for some “sabotage” jobs it may be questionable. NBC adding the Torkelsons (a show I liked) and Nurses to their Saturday night line wasn’t meant to sabotage but did tank it except for Sisters. Likewise CBS had faith in that 1992-93 Friday night schedule but it tanked for Golden Palace, Major Dad, and Designing Women. Now ABC moving Who’s the Boss, Growing Pains, and Perfect Strangers to Saturday nights in the guise of an extending their TGIF nights to Saturdays…? Definitely tank AND Sabotage and I don’t blame them for it. Same thing with Hotel being moved to Saturday nights. CBS definitely has more modern examples as well with Yes Dear and Rules of Engagement being constantly moved around even though they were lousy shows to begin with.

Wow, never though I'd see an Eight is Enough thread on this board lol. It's probably been close to 30 years since I have watched an episode and have murky memories at best. Would it be worth my time checking out again? I remember in the late 80's it coming on our local independent station and airing right after Brady Bunch reruns, so I associate those two shows together. At the time my young self was puzzled on why there was a laugh track for an hour long show.

Here are the show's monthly previews/predictions for Y&R and B&B: Jordan's reign of terror continues as the aunt from hell plots to destroy Nikki's sobriety and her sanity! Can Victor and Jack save Nikki before she loses all control of her senses? Tucker's evil plan is exposed, the Abbotts are in an uproar by the truth! Is Tucker redeemable? Meanwhile an undeterred Audra lets her true self out for Kyle, Nate, and especially Tucker for them to see! Phyllis devolves into lunacy as she obsesses over Danny and Christine, but will try hide her crazy self and try to act sane in front of her family. Phyllis schemes to crush the Bug once and for all! Abby starts a venture for herself as she becomes green-eyed every time she sees Chance and Summer together! Romance is in the air as Adam & Sally and Nick & Sharon rekindle their past love. Devon's world is shaken up by the sudden return of a lost lover.... Daniel and Heather find the walls are closing in as they come to cross an unthinkable boundary! Here's for B&B: Bill, Poppy, and Luna all search for the truth about who Luna's father is...could it really be Bill or is there someone else out there. Only Li may know the real truth! Eric and Donna throw a party as all the Forresters gather together and plan to have a wedding, but something very surprising will occur at the wedding... Brooke and Ridge find themselves in uncomfortable positions as they take polarizing opposite sides when it comes to Thomas and Hope. A young wild woman arrives in Los Angeles and will shake up the scene. History may well repeat itself when one character unexpectedly opens their legs to someone they are not involved with... Hahaha I read that was totally WTF, how messy 🤣

First up for the week of Feb 5 is B&B from Zap2it: Monday, February 5, 2024 Episode #9202 (Season 37, Episode 93) Luna and RJ spend a magical night together. Eric decides to celebrate his recovery by hosting a grand party. Tuesday, February 6, 2024 Episode #9203 (Season 37, Episode 94) The Logan sisters share a special moment as they prepare for the soiree. Eric is excited to celebrate this new chapter in his life. Wednesday, February 7, 2024 Episode #9204 (Season 37, Episode 95) Zende and RJ decide to make Eric their priority. Surrounded by friends and family, Eric proposes to Donna. Thursday, February 8, 2024 Episode #9205 (Season 37, Episode 96) Bill asks Poppy if he is Luna's father. Donna and Eric exchange wedding vows. Friday, February 9, 2024 Episode #9206 (Season 37, Episode 97) Poppy panics when she cannot find her special mints. The Forrester family toasts the marriage of Eric and Donna. Y&R Monday, February 5, 2024 on CBS (Fri. Feb. 2nd on Global-Canada) Episode #12800 (CBS Season 51, Episode 85) Ashley and Traci gather intel in Paris. Chelsea and Adam question their parenting skills. Devon gives Nate a warning. Tuesday, February 6, 2024 on CBS (Mon. Feb. 5 on Global-Canada) Episode #12801 (CBS Season 51, Episode 86) Victor is suspicious of Nikki. Jack turns to Lauren for help. Abby makes a big decision. Wednesday, February 7, 2024 on CBS (Tues. Feb. 6 on Global-Canada) Episode #12802 (CBS Season 51, Episode 87) Victor learns disturbing news. Christine and Phyllis’ rivalry takes a dangerous turn. Tucker reveals his master plan. Thursday, February 8, 2024 on CBS (Wed. Feb. 7 on Global-Canada) Episode #12803 (CBS Season 51, Episode 88) Victor and Nikki reach a compromise. Devon backs Daniel into a corner. Phyllis keeps up appearances. Friday, February 9, 2024 on CBS (Thurs. Feb. 8 on Global-Canada) Episode #12804 (CBS Season 51, Episode 89) Jack and Nikki's bond upsets Diane. Mamie strategizes with Nate. Ashley stands her ground with Tucker.

Lol. Now I did like show when Shannon was on and the first season without her was decent but the whole mermaid thing and Cole’s death turned me off of it. Not to mention the despicable Brad Kern unleashed himself and his “creative genius” to an unsuspecting world. 🤢 Milano was the worst part of the show and for the first season or so just played an extension of her Melrose Place character.

Pretty much. It’s funny she basically blabbered on about being responsible without saying it though.

Alyssa Milano breaks her silence on their feud: https://deadline.com/2024/02/charmed-alyssa-milano-responds-claim-she-had-shannon-doherty-fired-1235813488/amp/

The bright spots for me during the period was everything Winters/Barber/Hastings related coming to a head with the Nathan/Keesha affair fallout as well as Ryan/Jill, and to some extent Sharon’s whole history exposed to deal with later. It seems silly now but at the time I was fascinated by Phyllis and her posse of Peter, Joanie, Peter’s GF(I forget her name!) Brian, Sasha, and Dr. Tim. Phyllis weaved such a intricate web of lies and deception she really should have gotten away with it for decades lol.

Haha @YRfan23 on the bright side at least Matt died; we’re still stuck with Kevin still popping in 20 years later 🤮 Actually at the time back in 2001 I actually thought for a weekend Matt and Tricia died when Tricia accelerated that Jeep off a cliff Thelma & Louise style…unfortunately that was too ballsy of a move for Ed Scott’s Y&R or something he mentioned during his feud with Alden so Matt lingered on alive.

I’d gather Matt was simply originally Bell’s 1990’s update to Derek Stuart and George Curtis and the show just simply moved on like it had done in the past from them. Eddie Cibrian didn’t exactly light the world on fire between Baywatch Nights and Sunset Beach at the time but I doubt he would have gone back to Y&R. The Carter Mills/Matt story was strange. They originally hired a Power Rangers actor (not joking!!) to play the role (we saw him in a 2020 repeat) before hiring Hearst who was a well known and talented soap veteran stuck in a one dimensional role. I think the Y&R crew realized their mistake which is why they held onto Matt’s ghost as long as they could. Honestly we were robbed of a full blown Frank Barritt story.

The purpose of Jeri still puzzles me to this day LOL. I know we discussed this several years ago @YRfan23 but the 8/4/95 episode I have on VHS strangely hints that Jeri is obsessed with Cole with her having a picture of him on her work desk yet it based on the synopses I have read from the period the story goes absolutely no where other than Victoria correctly assuming Jeri is in love with Cole, she confesses, and then is promptly swept under the rug never to be spoken of again although Victoria and Ryan shared a top secret kiss in this mess. The Victoria/Cole/Nina/Ryan quad was such a mess. Bell loved his quads but they always sputtered out at the end.

On the 1987-88 Season 7 Cliffhanger from SOD: Soap Opcia Digett May 17, I988 Lance and Melissa are trapped in an underground bank vault in the fictional town of Hobart, California. While waiting for someone to rescue them, they use up some of the precious oxygen they have by engaging in some swift sex. Who will save them? Your best bet is Dan Fixx, the poor sucker Melissa allegedly loves. He goes down into a tunnel to bring them back up. What Melissa finds down in the vault (besides camal knowledge) will change her future and the future of the Tuscany Valley. These are some of the pieces of the 1987-86 Falcon Crest ciff-hanger that unfolded on a location shoot at Rancho María in California s Placenta Canyon, the rugged country forty-five miles northeast of Hollywood. Far from the traffic jams of Los Angeles, the shoot begins a six a.m. with trailers, trucks, vans and cars from the soundstages at FC headquarters in Studio City lining up alongside the bam corrals and stables of the ranch. Far off on the left a pinwheel windmill twirls in the wind. Cattle graze and horses lean over the side of the railings of their corráis to sce what's going on. In New York, people are truly freezing from temperatures in the single digits, but even a nippy 40 degrees in this crisp, clean air has the cast and crew shivering and downing cups of coffee. Most of the cast is here, or they will be after lunch. Brett Cullen (Dan Fixx) is the most outgoing of them, back-slapping and bantering with the crew, and proving he is a good sport when, for the upcoming rescue scene, he slips into a red and black harness that grips his thighs and hips while they taunt him with whistles and catcalls. Cullen shakes his tush for the them, admitting that his "garter" looks like "Frederic's of Hollywood meets construction worker." Waiting for everything to get rolling is a delicate-looking Jane Wyman (Angela Channing). Standing alone and dressed in soft white wool — pants, jacks, kerchief — she scrutinizes the scene with the concentrated stare of an inspector. "What are we waiting for?" she demands as Co-Executive Producer Jeff Freilich, who is also directing this episode, talks to his cameraman before doing a take. Cameras and lights are positioned around a ten-foot hole dug for the rescue scene. Sonic stagehands are cutting a huge piece of concrete form down to size to fit in the hole. A rescue team from the nearby Arcadia Pire Department is on hand in case problems arise and a first- aid tent is pitched off to the right for injuries. Freilich rehearses the scene where Dan volunteers to go down into the tunnel to find Lance and Melissa, before shooting it. The boom mike is covered in a furry gray hood to diffuse possible sound distortion by the wind. Actor Rod Taylor, one of the many guest stars to show up on Falcon Crest this year, joins Wyman in the scene as Frank Agretti, Melissa’s wayfaring and wayward uncle who has returned to Tuscany to give his niece an important heirloom. Taylor was familiar with the guest-star policy of the show from friends John Saxon and Kim Novak, who played major roles on Falcon Crest last season. “I saw Johnny Saxon do it,” he says. “I figured if Kim came on, I’ve got to come. Actually, they needed an ugly man for a change. They needed an oaf. It’s different for Angela to confide in somebody,” Taylor says of his character. He is one of the most popular guest stars they’ve had this year — Wyman reportedly calls him “Cuddles” — and he likes the “family feeling” on the show, adding that he has “the vague and hospitable idea” that he’ll be back next year, although Frank Agretti is allegedly terminally ill. Rancho Maria has been used before as a location site. Around the ranch are wooden shacks and other building that have been seen in such movies and television shows as The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean and Roots. Makeup and hairstyling artists stand by for touch-ups on the porches of the weathered buildings. After the day’s first scene is completed, Jane Wyman finds shelter from the strong winds inside the building marked Wells Fargo Bank . Jeff Freilich takes some time out to talk about what Falcon Crest has been doing this year. Admitting that a shoot like this is a “major piece of production” for the show, he adds, “but this is the cliff-hanger so we hold nothing back.” They’ve decided on more of an emotional season finale than those they’ve had in years past, when viewers were left hanging with airplane crashes, earthquakes, and cars plunging into bodies of water to decide the characters’ fates, but Freilich promises that the absence of these disasters will not lessen the impact of the last two shows’ revelations. “The cliff-hanger itself probably has a bigger shock value than Angela finding out Richard is her son,” he says. “It’s a dramatic and emotional turn that any earthquake or explosion could not top. The power will completely change hands in Tuscany this season. Someone will make a shocking return at the end of the season and a major, major character on the scale of Angela or Richard will be murdered in the middle of the cliff-hanger.” It sounds like a tall order, but viewers have come to expect the unexpected from Falcon Crest. Its experiments this year with multiple guest stars, and myriad plots proved that’s would do anything to keep the story moving, from having a female Ninja wielding a sword in Candlestick Park to bringing on Buck Henry as a special-effects expert to bedevil Melissa with toys that moved by themselves and locomotives that roared in her closet. Not everything worked. Freilich conceded that the first twelve episodes may have moved too fast for the viewers to follow. They were written while the show was completing production for its 1986-87 season and filmed without the traditional summer break because everybody was scrambling to get twelve episodes in the can before a threatened strike by the Directors’ Guild last July. Freilich thinks the effects of meeting this dead-line may have “overloaded” viewers with stories that were not sufficiently fleshed out, but he was confident that the remaining sixteen episodes of the season would make up for any inconsistencies. The rescue of Lance and Melissa is halted by an emission of poisonous gas from the tunnel. Special-effects man Frank Pope, who tests the rescue rig several times before the harnessed Brett Cullen is hooked to a cable and lowered into the earth with a truck operated crane, has simulated the poisonous gas with a cloud of yellow-green smoke. It rises out of the tunnel, smelling like sulfur, and everyone on the set backs away. The rescue equipment is identical to that used to save baby Jessica McClure who was trapped down as well in the fall of 1987. After a hearty catered lunch served from a truck and eaten on picnic tables, the rest of the cast reports to work: Ana-Alicia (Melissa) in a new-wavy hairdo, Susan Sullivan (Maggie), David Selby (Richard), Margaret Ladd (Emma), Lorenzo Lamas (Lance), Dana Sparks (Vickie). As with most large casts on television, the camaraderie here is infectious with much hugging and kissing among the younger cast members. Susan Sullivan strolls up the road with her arm around Margaret Ladd’s shoulder. It seemed like a good time to talk to cast members about their reflections of Falcon Crest. Susan, in gray leather pants and cape, has just come from one of those gaggle of soap-star panels on Oprah Winfrey and she admits to being struck by the emotional connection the women in the audience made to Falcon’s sister soap, Knots Landing. From the sound of it, Susan wouldn’t mind it if FC could form a similar emotional bond with its audience. Of the show’s present emphasis on humor, Sullivan says, “It’s the crest that Angela rides best. And its tricky and difficult writing to do and it doesn’t always make it. I would like to explore the dynamics of a relationship, the interplay in a relationship.” Dana Sparks defended her character’s insolent behavior toward her mother last year. “Vickie was playing what the audience felt toward Maggie,” she contends. “She was so much of a wimp. Vickie had the wrong approach. It was the kind of family relationship where what you [are] thinking comes out [of your mouth] and it’s kind of brutal.” David Selby thought the progression of Maggie and Richard’s relationship from friendship to romance to marriage was beautifully handled. “I liked the story because they were good friends,” he says. “It was the natural evolution of a relationship.” He also revealed that his good friend, actress Jane Alexander, convinced him to take the job on Falcon Crest — six years ago. “I wasn’t getting the right parts in movies or the theater,” says Selby. “I was having lunch with Jane and I told her about this offer for a series and she said, ‘Do it’ ”. He also explained how Richard Channing developed his taste for milk. Earl Hamner, creator of the show, helped him come up with the idea. “We thought what a crazy counterpoint that he would drink milk,” Selby laughs. “Earl thought it would always remind Richard of his mother. Besides, I happen to like milk.” Richard and Maggie come to the rescue site to warn Angela that she is in danger. Angela doesn’t know it, but Richard’s deal with The Thirteen — a sinister group of wealthy and powerful businessmen headed by a jolly avuncular descendant of Satan named Rosemont to destroy her is in full motion. Meanwhile, Melissa, rescued from the vault, has found something down there that makes her furious with Angela, but Mrs. Channing refuses to discuss it. “Somebody tie her to a tree,” she tells Frank Agretti. Lance and Melissa’s rescue from the bank vault is filmed after four p.m. After being on the set since dawn, Jane Wyman has gone home and there is a stand-in dressed in white to cheer along with everyone else. With the completion of that scene, the cast is released except for Rod Taylor and Ana-Alicia, who remain behind in the fading daylight to do close-ups for the scene just prior to Angela and Melissa’s argument about what she has found in the bank vault. Melissa feels her jacket pockets and finds they’re empty. “Where is it?” she shouts at Frank and then she runs off to pick a fight with Angela, whom she’s convinced has stolen what is hers. Does Angela rob Melissa of her Agretti heirloom? What does Melissa find in the bank vault? Will she be murdered for what she knows? Or does somebody else die? Falcon Crest’s cliff-hanger is revealed in the last two episodes of the season, tentatively scheduled by CBS for May 6 and May 13.

Y&R is past due for a major shakeup at the top but I fear it’s never going to happen.

This idiotic story about Tucker gaslighting Ashley about the fight at the cafe is still going on? WTH was that crappy generic bluegrass pop song that played during Tucker/Audra sex scenes? Those lyrics were embarrassing to listen to. A throwback to the JFP era? Why is Chelsea still on the show? Definitely looking and feeling like February sleeps.

Here’s a few epic failures I can think of right off the top of my head: ATWT: So many failed recasts. Let us start with Christina Chambers as Molly in 2004… Days: Letting Dena Higley be HW over and over again B&B: Except for a few things there 2012-2015, almost anything Thudley has written since like 2005, maybe earlier than that. GL: San Cristobel and Santos Mob Y&R: Letting Josh Griffith be HW over and over again

Yeah, the only one driving the show the past week or and into this week is Audra, who of course never fails not to be interesting to watch. I adore Diane but I would have rather watched her resurrect her career as the renowned architect, with Sally as a sidekick as they struggle to get off than ground than her as co-CEO of Jabot. But that would have been too much drama for Josh Griffith to write. I’m glad Cole has stuck around and while Peck and Heinle have history on another soap (AMC) I’m glad the history and chemistry appears to have at least transcended to present day Y&R.

I immediately thought of him, B&B’s Liam, and Y&R’s Chelsea and Chloe as soon as I saw the title of this thread!

LOL! I didn’t notice KKL and MTS wearing the same pen striped blazer at all myself 🙈 Still I find the MTS and PB photo unflattering as neither appear to be that bloated on screen and the wardrobe appears to be lacking correct sizing for both shows.

Wow, not to be rude from those angles those are some unflattering pictures of TK and PB in that blazer. I will say PB wears it better, TK looks like he’s about to burst out of it.

If RJ wasn’t already Brooke’s son I would have assumed she was another Logan relative (i.e. Flo) If she’s not Diana she’ll probably end up being a cousin to Amber (to cause concern for Brooke) or from Liam’s maternal side or something dumb.

Is there a recording of this song out there somewhere?

Early 2012 when Nick, Owen, Bridget and Jackie all left town during the same week or so. He hasn’t been mentioned since Nick sailed out of town with him.

Spoilers for the week of January 29 for both shows from zap2it.com Monday, January 29, 2024 Episode #9197 (Season 37, Episode 88) Ridge figures out that Thomas proposed to Hope. Luna demands the truth from Poppy about Bill Spencer. Tuesday, January 30, 2024 Episode #9198 (Season 37, Episode 89) Luna becomes suspicious of Poppy's secrets. Brooke and Ridge are on opposing sides of the Thomas/Hope proposal. Wednesday, January 31, 2024 Episode #9199 (Season 37, Episode 90) Zende purposely interrupts R.J. and Luna's time together. Thomas makes an emotional promise to Hope. Thursday, February 1, 2024 Episode #9200 (Season 37, Episode 91) Steffy is blindsided by the news that Thomas proposed to Hope. Luna attempts to mediate a war of words between Zende and R.J. Thomas and Hope make passionate love. Friday, February 2, 2024 Episode #9201 (Season 37, Episode 92) Steffy and Finn take Brooke's side regarding Hope and Thomas. R.J. creates a romantic evening for Luna at the beach house. Monday, January 29, 2024 on CBS (Fri. Jan. 26 on Global-Canada) Episode #12795 (CBS Season 51, Episode 80) Victor and Jack disagree on how to help Nikki. Chance sees a new side to Summer. Audra swallows her pride at the office. Tuesday, January 30, 2024 on CBS (Mon. Jan. 29 on Global-Canada) Episode #12796 (CBS Season 51, Episode 81) Victor receives shocking news. Nick commiserates with Sharon. Diane worries about Jack helping Nikki. Wednesday, January 31, 2024 on CBS (Tues. Jan. 30 on Global-Canada) Episode #12797 (CBS Season 51, Episode 82) Victor shares words of wisdom with Nick. Victoria and Cole keep a secret from Claire. Kyle defends his actions at Jabot. Thursday, February 1, 2024 on CBS (Wed. Jan. 31 on Global-Canada) Episode #12798 (CBS Season 51, Episode 83) Ashley and Traci arrive in Paris. Daniel faces the truth about Heather. Kyle lashes out at Tucker. Friday, February 2, 2024 on CBS (Thurs. Feb. 1st on Global-Canada) Episode #12799 (CBS Season 51, Episode 84) Victor busts Jack and Nikki. Billy comforts Chelsea. Sally surprises Adam.

Ashley and Tucker still fighting over what happened in Paris and Ashley and Traci going to Paris to uncover the truth is the big high stakes drama on the show right now…?