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I'd love to know if Pam Long named Beth after the woman Phillip always thought of as his mom deliberately, or if that was just the happiest of accidents, lol.

That's because you get the sense from watching the show that these people really care about what they're doing. They're not just showing up for the paychecks and the free food from craft services.

June Lockhart had the most thankless jobs in the TV industry, playing mom to precocious brats on two godawful shows, and she performed them both with nothing less than true professionalism and heart. She definitely will be missed.

Preach.

I agree, although I certainly find a lot of Kirkendolls and Kuykendalls running around here, lol.

Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who have names like "Harlan Billy" or "Melinda Sue." My own mother and aunt's extended relatives often refer to them by their first and middle names. (Except, that is, for their paternal grandmother, who'd get their first names correct, but who would always mix up their middle names, lol). The thing is, "Harlan Billy" doesn't sound right to my ear or roll off my tongue that easily. I think "William Harlan" or "Billy Harlan" would've made more sense.

IKR? And to think there was a time when I complained about how Bill Bell and Kay Alden gave their otherwise vibrant female characters such old-sounding names like "Phyllis" and "Alice."

I guess they didn't want to confuse the folks at home. But they could've easily said that H.B. maintained both the Lewis family home, in Tulsa, as well as a ranch in some nearby suburb, such as Owasso or Claremore.

It's been my experience, at least, that most who work in this state as housekeepers tend to be African-American, Native American, Hispanic, or a combination thereof. Of course, that doesn't count those who work for professional cleaning services, or who work for more than one household. Nevertheless, a woman with Sarah Shayne's background (white, uneducated, working class, single mother) would've been more likely to work in the steno pool at Lewis Oil than for the boss' wife at their mansion. I definitely agree that the Lewises needed more grit. As I've said before, Oklahomans are not ostentatious. We don't drive luxury cars or prance around in chinchillas or Nudie suits; and those who do tend to get the side-eye BIG time, lol.

On the one hand, it's a very timely story being told about the "golden age" of televangelism and the rise of cable TV. (It's also an almost direct rip-off of "A Face in the Crowd," but that's neither here nor there, lol). However, you have Alec Baldwin, a then-young hunk with real acting chops, who shares genuine, warm chemistry with Julie Harris and Joan Van Ark, gives Lisa Hartman's Cathy a real purpose on the show that she otherwise lacks, and could help carry KL into the next generation, and this is what you ultimately choose to do with him? Someone at Lorimar or CBS should've stepped in and told Mike Filerman to chill the [!@#$%^&*] out.

Jasmine Guy?

I feel like the day is almost here when the Primetime and Daytime Emmys are combined into one L-O-N-G ceremony (that will air exclusively online).

If it wasn't him, then it was Leslie Moonves', or whoever was in charge of Lorimar at that time. I agree that moving David Paulsen over to FC (instead of to KL) would've been JUST the shot in the arm that that show needed. In fact, I think he would've gotten FC more than even Earl Hamner did.

I think she did, and I think she said the same thing as you: that she didn't believe Nancy would have remarried after losing Chris. Of course, Douglas Marland could've told a story about how Nancy, reluctant to remarry after her husband's passing, flirts with the idea of co-habitating (sp?) Mac, but...., lol.

I still miss that home's original layout, with all those pastels and that portrait of La Kane perched over the stairs. Bill Mickley's designs for AMC tended to be hit-or-miss, especially as the '80's wore on, but something about Linden House really captured the essence of Erica*, a woman attempting to bring a little bit of coastal sophistication to Philly Main Line Pine Valley. (*Ironic, since I don't think it was Erica's house originally?)

OMG, you are so not kidding about Mindy's accent. I love KT, but her Melinda Sue always sounded like she was either going to or coming back from the mall, lol.

And if I had been on her writing staff at any time during her two tenures with the show, I would've needed to educate her on those differences, too. ("With all due respect, Ms. Long, unless Sarah Shayne and her children are 'passing' and/or at least 50% Native American - and they all have their 'Indian numbers' - the idea of her being Miss Martha's personal maid is bullshit.")

Correct. Of course, I've had people from both coasts remark on how neither me nor my "kinfolk" speak with any discernible twang, accent or drawl. And you've got native Okies like Reba McEntire, who speaks with a twang I've never heard out of anyone else's mouth, and certainly not in this state. But, as I've said in the past, I think her twang/accent/drawl/whatever the heck that is is exaggerated. IMO, Oklahoma and Texas have much in common, with neither being as ostentatious as movies and TV shows (including Pam Long and Gail Kobe's GL) make us seem. Texas, however, might appear more prosperous, whereas our state still bears some scars from failed "urban renewal" and a banking scandal that marked the end of the oil boom and triggered decades of little-to-no economic growth. (The fact that we now have a championship NBA franchise is a frigging miracle, lol). I agree. For instance, she always made the Lewises' Tulsa home sound like some plantation out of "Gone with the Wind." I can't speak for anyone else, but in all my years of traveling throughout this state, I've yet to come across any former plantations. Certainly not in Tulsa; they're more cosmopolitan than even where I'm from! Yep. She was from McAlester. Which is also where Reba is from (although, TBF, Reba was raised in nearby Chockie). And you're right: Beverlee McKinsey's voice had a slight twang - due more to her husky tone than anything else, IMO - but it wasn't a full-blown Southern accent. Same goes for Rue McClanahan. If you listen to her talk - not as Blanche Devereaux, but as herself, lol - she sounds more-or-less like how most Okies sound. (I'd also include Ted Shackelford and Mary Kay Place on the list of Okies with authentic voices. Tony Randall? Not so much). I think I know the people you speak of, lol, and it all seems silly to me. I mean, what difference does it make? As @Speed Racer says, the lifestyles are not the same. Midwesterners are all about crops, whereas Great Plains people are primarily wheat and cattle (except, of course, in OK and TX, where oil and gas plays a role in our economies as well). But the rest of the country depends on us both for food and other resources, so.... *shrug* My best guess: certain individuals don't wish to be identified as coming from the GP, because people from the GP tend to be Bible thumpers and conservative to the EXTREME (although, I think that's changing in KS and NE and even parts of TX). But that's only a guess. Maybe it's just me, but I've found that the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and even parts of Colorado and Utah have retained a sort of rustic, "frontiersy" vibe that distinguishes them even from the Great Plains and other regions in this country. In fact, I think they come closer to what everyone assumes OK and TX to be, at least in terms of sprawl.

I agree. The next several seasons have their bright spots, but never again was the storytelling on KNOTS more cohesive than it was during S6, with Bobby and Betsy's kidnapping affecting everyone else on the canvas. (Plus, I think writing Joshua into a corner the next season - to the point where there was no other direction for his character to go - might've been the first, true mistake KL made in its' run).

Anyone who lived through even a week of that show deserves reparations.

We're not even midwestern, lol! Most of our state rests in the Great Plains region; so, at best, we speak with a twang, but not a full-blown, Appalachian accent. As I've said before, though, Pam Long seemed to think she could write Tulsa and everyone from there as if they were from Alabama.

Yeah, but you know how soaps work, right, lol? You could always explain that away.

I can just see Racine's original portrayer - Dame Joan Collins of Paddington, London - playing a modeling agency owner who hails from Wisconsin, lol.

At least Genie's still there (to play Laura's discovery that Barbara has fallen on hard times financially and is now homeless)!

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