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Still boycotting, but reading recaps and gleaming a lot from all y'all observations! 1. Eventually Bill Sr. admitted the Dru r*pe by Malcolm on Y&R was wrong. It unfortunate that story made such an impression that Brad has used it twice. And both times, the victim is somehow at fault. Just gross. 2. Luna knows Poppy takes strong mints. How is it that Luna became that drugged out, while Poppy seems to pop them with no impairment? Have they shown any scenes where Poppy also is drugged out? 3. I don't suppose the coroner noted obvious plastic surgery on *Sheila* or DNA or toes. 4. Will the traditionally March Madness Wednesday cliffhanger involve Sheila? Yeah, that's rhetorical. 5. Will B&B bring up Ally's 'mur-dah' and when Steffy shot Sheila in the hotel room? B&B writing has to move away from characters either being good or evil. The way they dismissed Taylor's premeditated shooting of $B or her role in the baby snatching is ludicrous - 'Taylor, that's not who you are!' Yes, Taylor that is exactly who you are once Bradley decided to destroy her character. 6. B&B is so frustrating because they just burn through stories and characters so fast and skip so many beats. What's odd is that B&B has no reason to do this. What was the darned rush to *kill* off Sheila? Couldn't they have at least worked in even two scenes a week for the past two months? Or more scenes with Sheila bonding with Finn?

Yes, TV Line: https://tvline.com/casting-news/kimberlin-brown-leaving-bold-and-beautiful-sheila-dead-1235174215/ Bold & Beautiful’s Kimberlin Brown Out as Sheila: ‘It’s a Tough Place for Me to Be In’

TV Line just reported the KB is out and Sheila is dead. I don't even get this. No build up whatsoever.

@dragonflies You beat me to it! I'll keep repeating this: B&B has no real protagonists / antagonists on canvas. If not for KB, who can still act rings around the rest of the cast, the show would be ... what you've witnessed during the non-Sheila moments over the past two years. What I simply don't get is why they don't invest in the build up? There's already established pre-Finn history between Steffy/Sheila aka Steffy shooting Sheila and all the Sheila Forrester stuff. What's the rush? Oh, yeah, the ratings slide has been accelerating.

@AbcNbc247 Actually Casey *was* right! The show hasn't been the same since Sheila shot Steffy and *killed* Finn over a bottle of champagne. Who thought anyone would want to see that? Except for the Monaco reunion, every single story has been a dud. B&B historically could wrap a bad s/l quick and move on to something that was decent or even good. Not this time. Since Monaco: Sheila's toe, Taylor/Ridge, Sheila/$B/Bunman, Thomas cured in 3 weeks/overnight custody battle that fizzled, Braylor, Rome - B&B's worst int'l remote, Steam droplets, Thomas/Hope, Eric's stapler, Zende/Luna r@pemance. Seriously, not one good story in TWO years. I'm surprised someone hasn't intervened.

Brad has totally forgotten about nuance. He's completely declawed/neutered: Steffy, Thomas, $B, Deacon and Sheila to an extent. Meanwhile, he turned Zende into a R@pist. The best part of daytime is the ability to different sides to characters, which is why so many daytime characters actually *seem* like real people. B&B had that in the 90s: Stephanie, Sheila, Clark, Sally, Mike, even Brooke. All these characters had significant moral/ethical issues, but we also saw other sides to them. All those characters' bad sides were essential to moving the story forward. Let's face it: baddies = protagonists, otherwise you have a very dull show. Sheila doesn't need to be homicidal maniac to push the story forward. Sheila as mother-in-law works! Seriously, MIL are villains! Liam needs to turn *bad* and $B and Deacon need to get their edge back. Sorry but a declawed Steffy with Stepford Hubby Finn is boring. The actors, characters and the show deserve better. On a show like B&B, it isn't hard to pivot. But for the past 2 years, B&B hasn't been able to do it.

Soaps have always been built on women being victims. Brad's goal here: Get Zende with Luna, but we need to keep Luna as the 'good girl' for RJ. If Luna voluntarily hooked up with Zende, she'd be pegged by the 70 yo B&B demo as another SFTV. That kind of sexual freedom is an absolute no-no on B&B, except for Brooke, who is following her heart.... It's too bad B&B's audience wants to watch rich, 20-something get married/babies by 25, instead of a more realistic decadent lifestyle of partying, clubbing, experimentation, sexual freedom, etc. Brad decide to follow the Thomas/C2/Douglas template. Honestly, Brad probably got that idea from his father who did the Dru cough medicine hook-up with Malcolm on Y&R resulting in Lily. Bill Bell did some disgusting stories, but those get whitewashed because overall, he produced far more winners than losers.

@janea4old + @Soapsuds B&B will treat it the same way as Thomas + C2. No way that was consent under the law, but it somehow didn't matter. Since B&B average viewer is almost 70, I suppose it's not as offensive to them as younger generation. Consent wasn't recognized as a *thing* back in the day. Fortunately, times have changed.

Honestly, LG's comments are part of Corday's legal narrative: 'See, we fixed the problem.' The timing of her comments is too perfect. If I were representing Corday, that's exactly what I would do. The case will get settled, AZ will be offered a better contract. It's clear she loves her job - but it'll be her choice. It'll be interesting if all this publicity actually increases streaming numbers. There really is no such thing as bad publicity.

No doubt. I can't believe how fans lose their minds over such an obvious ploy. No way that shoestring budget *allows* for an existing set to be scrapped or replaced. Same set with maybe 3 new throw pillows: 'Here's a sneak peak at the all-new, Horton family room set!"

Anyone read AA's lawyer's statement? Yep, they're really going there. '...[AZ] is now – again – trying to exploit vile stereotypes to denigrate and demean a Black man who was in a position of power. Well, enough is enough...' I should clarify my statement about Sony settling. I should've said Sony and Peacock will pressure Corday to settle. Whether they are named defendants is irrelevant - every article mentioning this case will mention Sony and Peacock.

Not surprised at all. I long suspected AZ was caught up in this wretched mess. She'd win on #1, but not on #2. Sony will settle and move on. No way this is going to trial.

JG is 53 and JMcC is 79. You'd never guess. Heaven forbid they paired JG with Aaron Spears again (Justin) and bring back Marcus! The funny thing about Donna being portrayed as a bimbo: JG got her MBA at Pepperdine. The story that should be told: Brooke marries Eric shortly before he dies. Brooke is officially crowned the Forrester Matriarch. Brooke should be running FC with Steffy. The kicker: since Brooke is now a mainstay in Bel-Air social circles, she wants to keep FC as a classic couture. Steffy is the one pushing edgier fashion to the brand relevant (except no bedroom line).

Season 1! What about the following 36 years! lol @ranger1rg Honestly, it like the worked off the Sally2 'dying' scripts. Same vague nonsense. It's shameful.

@ranger1rg Isn't fascinating that B&B is the only US soap in history that can't do soap staples: doctors, lawyers, trials or murder mysteries well? In fact, most attempts have been outright failures. I get not being able to do one, but all of them? The Belief ownership saga was actually the only time they knocked it out of the park on legal.

@BoldRestless Yes, that's the article. The Y&R numbers are mixed up, but it's safe to assume the average age of soap viewers is close to 70! The article doesn't say it directly, but like my recently passed 89 y.o. mother, the audience is tuning out, but not by choice. I wish the networks would publicly release demo data for streaming. They obviously have it and share it with advertisers. Clearly, if you combined streaming/linear demos that age number drops significantly. It also makes sense why a Colleen Zenk would resonate with the audience more than expected. Even if they didn't watch ATWT regularly or at all, some probably recognize her from the CBS promos.

Fans sometimes forget there's a reason why it's called Show *Business* Keep in mind Y&R's average linear viewer age is 69 y.o. according to last week's article in Deadline. Of course, the age of those who stream will be significantly lower, but still. Ads aren't going to command big $$$ and, therefore, licensing fees will be less, etc. I'm just glad it's still on. I hope that Sony will follow B&B's model and put all the old episodes on a YouTube channel. That's been super fun to watch.

B&B's canvas is so stale, there's literally only three *shock* pairings possible: Hope/Finn, Brooke/Liam or Hope/Ridge (pukes). Now, if B&B had fluid characters, it'd open up more options, but they don't. The edge goes to Hinn simply because it reignites the Steffy/Hope drama. Thomas battles with his brother-in-law, Ridge/Brooke fight over it, etc. They could milk that for a few months, especially with the inevitable WTD story thrown in.

'Devon's world is shaken up by the sudden return of a lost lover....' Shaken up is a bit OTT. MM is only making a quick drop-by, so she has to be Amanda. @dragonflies exactly what I was going to write. OC, Brooke will have one, get high, forget she slept with someone and spend the next six months saying: 'Why did I ...?'

Exactly. And it'd be a return to *classic* B&B - borderline family relationships that are *OK* because of loopholes - Brooke and Taylor (Forrester + Marone brothers), Ridge/Bridget, Rick/Steffy. Finn and Poppy aren't *related* - Finn would've been an adult. Finn needs that halo knocked off for the character's own good. It's icky and really gross, but so was Brooke sleeping Deacon and Oliver. It's not like Steffy (Liam/Bill/Rick) or any of the Forresters could judge him - they've all done far worse! Fear not, B&B has been so bad the past 18 months, they won't go there. Just like the Taylor/Brooke and Brooke/Liam teases. Equally repulsive, but would've been must-watch trash TV. This is simply a PR drop to get the SINN stans feathers riled up.

Finally! I'm guessing this is the big story that's been hinted at for Sheila. B&B desperately needs new blood. It took them several years/attempts to get a new generation going until Steffy/Liam/Hope.

I do wonder if KA's Taylor was phased out because HT wants back in. Taylor is an essential character with Steffy/Thomas being prominent characters and with Ridge, Brooke still around. Brooke/Taylor scenes over Thomas/Hope are easy writes and certainly watchable. The whole recurring offer seems like a case where they knew KA wouldn't accept it. KA managed the tough balancing act of keeping the essential Taylor characteristic while adding a fresh spin to a 30-year character. It's a shame.

TPIR had significant drops (300K+), so it's not surprising the rest of the lineup dropped as well. The Talk - all you need to do is look at the audience spike LMAD 1 to see that it's a spectacular failure. It's got a solid and consistent lead-in B&B and leadout (LMAD). The show simply can't be that profitable with those numbers.

Thomas' downfall/reverting to psycho is a typical Brad move when the show is sliding hard. How many times did he do this with Sheila and, then, Quinn? After Thomas was kicked out of the Forrester family a year ago, Thomas underwent 3 weeks of intense therapy, was cured, went on apology tour, returned to the family+ FC, saved HFTF and won Hope over. None of this was plausible, but it was somewhat acceptable because there's no logical reason or explanation why Thomas was so awful. Thomas could've simply been a leading man with a dark/edge side like $B. Instead of writing the story we want - EviLiam - ratings continue sliding so it's *break glass in emergency* aka Thomas reverting into a psycho (Feb Sweeps). If this fails, Sheila (May), Deacon (July) and $B (Nov) will follow until the hemorrhaging stops.

@1974mdp Agreed on Sheila/Eric. Certainly, there could've been a scene between them. It wasn't that long ago when Eric/Sheila were reconnected and, ironically, Steffy shot Sheila. Has that even been mentioned since the Steffy/Finn shootings? In a perfect world, Sheila would've somehow been Eric's unofficial nurse - even for a short period of time. So much history that could've been mined - especially with years of relevant archival footage.