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The Idaho TV channel's take on all of this is accepting. (which I find scary.) The statement from the guy in the photo who travelled from Idaho to be there and was wearing tactical gear... "I got caught up in the moment"

Michigan Republican Congressman Peter Meijer comments on how they were in the middle of debating objections to the Arizona electoral college votes when the mob attacked. After the building was cleared, Congress resumed debate on the Arizona electoral college votes. They were now going to vote: yes - "agree with rejecting" the Arizona electoral votes. or no - "disagree with rejecting" the Arizona electoral votes. He says that one of his colleague Republican Congressional reps was about to vote to "agree with the objection" ... even though it was obvious that the objections were unfounded. The colleague wanted to vote no to the objection, but was going to vote yes anyhow. The colleague told Meijer that he/she/they was so terrorized by what had just happened that the colleague feared for his/her/their family. So out of fear, the colleague voted to agree with the objection, without wanting to. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2021/01/09/opinion-after-heinous-assault-time-reckon-reality/6599593002/

^ First tweet in a thread. Good thread.

"a bunch of redneck hillbilly white trash." That's what they looked like, how they dressed. I think they did that as a ruse. They actually had money and expensive equipment, and flew in from all over the US, and stayed at fancy hotels in Washington DC. They tried to give off an atmosphere of being poor hillbillies. They seemed to act like frat boys partying and doing pranks, that you would just wink at. But that's not who they were. It was highly organized and meticulously plotted.

Capitol Police Officer Howard Liebengood's father was the late Howard S. Liebengood - who was the Senate's Sergeant of Arms in the early 1980s. The elder Leibengood worked at times as an aide to Republican leadership at times, and a powerful lobbyist. Obit of the elder Liebengood who passed away in 2005: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2005-01-17-0501170007-story.html The current Sergeant of Arms (Stenger) was forced to resign a few days ago Officer Liebengood's boss (Capitol Police chief Sund) was forced to resign a few days ago. All the reports I read don't seem to know whether Officer Liebengood was working at Capitol on January 6th, or if he had the day off. Regardless, I cannot imagine what Officer Liebengood must have been feeling.

I agree that Sábato Jr. has no relevance now. I posted only in reply to others who had asked about his account. The only thing newsworthy is regarding his father Sábato Sr. who was an actor in his own right and died of COVID. Which I guess I should have posted on the COVID thread or the "in memoriam" thread. Edit -- and I see that was posted on those threads earlier today.

Yes, what AOC said. Listen to the whole clip.

Antonio Sabàto Jr. had been tweeting all kinds of madness. Someone had posted a screencap of some of his stuff last week, so I went into his account to look around. It was chaos and kind of scary from what I saw - just reading back to mid-December. I didn't have the stomach to read back further. There were very frequent tweets insisting that Trump won the election. He said COVID was just another flu and no big deal. He said masks were bad. And he said he would *never* get a COVID vaccine and he would never allow his loved ones to get one. Etc etc etc. There was one tweet in which he said in Italian that Fauci is a communist @ss-hole. It was really horrible to read - the tone, the images; and I was sorry I checked. Then on January 4th he tweeted that his father (Antonio Sabàto Sr.) was hospitalized with COVID and needed prayers. That was startling because it followed after a tweet he had made just hours before about how wearing masks were bad. I didn't check his account after that but, but I recently read that his father passed away on January 6th. Sometime in the last day or two, he deleted his account, because when I checked it yesterday, it came up as saying "this account does not exist". After it was discussed here on SON upthread, I see now that Sabàto Jr. reopened his twitter account, with only two tweets. One tweet was a request to follow his "conservative" film company. The other tweet is an image implying that Twitter is communist - indicating that he's upset that Twitter suspended Trump. I think you must have looked at it right after he reopened his twitter account. Now he has a lot of followers so there must have been a slight delay in updating the display of his account after he reopened it.

"there is some concern inside the Pence team that there are risks to invoking the 25th or even an impeachment process as Trump could take some sort of rash action putting the nation at risk." Oh good grief. Pelosi is concerned that if he *stays* in office, he'll commit some rash action! Pence doesn't care about the country. He's just trying to figure out how to "look good" (as if he could) in this situation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quoting the article in the washingtonpost tweet: Jan. 9, 2021 at 7:30 p.m. PST Amazon suspended the pro-Trump social network Parler from its web-hosting service this weekend, a move that threatens to darken the site indefinitely after its users glorified the recent riot at the U.S. Capitol. The e-commerce and web hosting giant said Parler had violated its terms of service given its inadequate content-moderation practices, adding in a letter that it would implement its punishment just before midnight Pacific time Monday. -------------------------------------- Why wait all that time? Why not now?

Yes but I gather that they can do it anyhow. Not sure. I guess if they find him guilty, (even if he's already gone by then), then they can do the vote to prevent him from ever holding office again.

Impeachment could happen quickly. They are talking about dispensing the need for committee work on impeachment. The plan is to just have the House do an up and down yes/no vote to impeach. "Impeach" is like "indict" - to bring formal charges. Then it's up to the Senate to put him on trial. The senate won't reconvene until Jan 19th and ... There's two things. They need 2/3 of the Senators to vote to convict him. The Senate needs 50 votes to permanently disqualify Trump from holding "any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States." Explained much better here: https://www.vox.com/22220495/impeachment-trump-2024-election-bar-from-office

The terrorists erected a wooden gallows next to the Capitol Reflecting Pool. The image is at the top of this article, it's upsetting to see. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/trump-rioters-wanted-more-violence-worse/617614/

^ So funny! Too bad it's untrue.

Full WSJ article here: https://archive.is/1i9nY

It was well-known that the January 6th insurrection was planned. Here's an article in the Washingtonian dated January 5th, where they had learned of the plot but the author refers to the plot as merely "MAGA fans’ thought experiments". The headline of the article mockingly says "MAGA geniuses". Obviously the author of the article didn't take any of it seriously. But the Washingtonian asked the US Capitol Police about it anyways, and the Capitol police declined to comment. Again let me emphasize this article was dated January 5th, and obviously the Washingtonian had researched it prior to that. https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/05/maga-geniuses-plot-takeover-of-us-capitol/

I can't get over this.

deleting my post because I posted in wrong thread

Here's the full statement from Twitter's blog https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump By Twitter Inc. Friday, 8 January 2021 After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them — specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter — we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence. In the context of horrific events this week, we made it clear on Wednesday that additional violations of the Twitter Rules would potentially result in this very course of action. Our public interest framework exists to enable the public to hear from elected officials and world leaders directly. It is built on a principle that the people have a right to hold power to account in the open. However, we made it clear going back years that these accounts are not above our rules entirely and cannot use Twitter to incite violence, among other things. We will continue to be transparent around our policies and their enforcement. The below is a comprehensive analysis of our policy enforcement approach in this case. Overview On January 8, 2021, President Donald J. Trump tweeted: “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” Shortly thereafter, the President tweeted: “To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.” Due to the ongoing tensions in the United States, and an uptick in the global conversation in regards to the people who violently stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021, these two Tweets must be read in the context of broader events in the country and the ways in which the President’s statements can be mobilized by different audiences, including to incite violence, as well as in the context of the pattern of behavior from this account in recent weeks. After assessing the language in these Tweets against our Glorification of Violence policy, we have determined that these Tweets are in violation of the Glorification of Violence Policy and the user @realDonaldTrump should be immediately permanently suspended from the service. Assessment We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy, which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people to replicate the criminal acts that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. This determination is based on a number of factors, including: President Trump’s statement that he will not be attending the Inauguration is being received by a number of his supporters as further confirmation that the election was not legitimate and is seen as him disavowing his previous claim made via two Tweets (1, 2) by his Deputy Chief of Staff, Dan Scavino, that there would be an “orderly transition” on January 20th. The second Tweet may also serve as encouragement to those potentially considering violent acts that the Inauguration would be a “safe” target, as he will not be attending. The use of the words “American Patriots” to describe some of his supporters is also being interpreted as support for those committing violent acts at the US Capitol. The mention of his supporters having a “GIANT VOICE long into the future” and that “They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” is being interpreted as further indication that President Trump does not plan to facilitate an “orderly transition” and instead that he plans to continue to support, empower, and shield those who believe he won the election. Plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off-Twitter, including a proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021. As such, our determination is that the two Tweets above are likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021, and that there are multiple indicators that they are being received and understood as encouragement to do so.