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Michelle's IG: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cki930kpD4p/ (goodgriefcharliebrown is Graziadei's IG)

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I already posted in my other reply to you about some of why the Spencers hate Thomas. (I apologize for my excessive details.) Something else happened that is relevant to the Hope/Thomas situation ... A while back, Douglas was shown with a toy that could change people's voices to sound like someone else's voice. Thomas was holding a knife to cut an apple in the kitchen. Brooke entered the room. Depending on your point of view, you may or may not have perceived Thomas as subtly (but not directly) behaving menacingly with the knife during that scene. Not just the viewers. Different characters discussing this scene have perceived it in different ways. It was a subtle insidious energy and not a direct threat, but very concerning to Brooke. Brooke felt alerted and said she was concerned about Douglas' safety. Brooke was concerned but she never reported this to the authorities. Thomas did something that nobody but the viewers know about... He made an anonymous phonecall to CPS (Child Protective Services) claiming that Thomas was a danger to Douglas, and the reason was waving the knife around threateningly, or something like that. Thomas used the voice-changing-device-toy to change Thomas' voice into Brooke's voice, and made a recording. He apparently set things up so that if CPS checked their records for a recording of the phonecall, they would listen and hear Brooke's voice. I'm not sure if the original phonecall to CPS had Thomas's voice and then he may have bribed a CPS employee to substitute the recording. Or maybe the original phonecall was made using the device so that CPS *only* had Brooke's voice. The technology details are ridiculous and unclear, but it doesn't matter. Either way, Thomas set it up to make it look like Brooke reported him. Then Ridge and Thomas asked a friend who works for CPS to tell them who made the anonymous phonecall. CPS isn't allowed to disclose who makes reports, but this employee broke the rules and played the recording for Ridge and Thomas, which had Brooke's voice. Thomas did this to make Brooke look bad to Ridge or something. Ridge tells himself the rationale that he cannot tell Brooke that he got the CPS employee to play the recording -- because that could cause the CPS employee to lose his job. Nobody but Ridge, Thomas, and the CPS employee know about the recording. Ridge got mad at Brooke and demanded that she confess what she did. But of course Ridge didn't tell Brooke what he thinks she did. He simply said "I know what you did and I demand that you confess it" or something like that. Brooke has no clue what this about (STUPID STORYLINE) -- so of course she can't confess to whatever it is. Brooke wouldn't/couldn't tell Ridge anything, so Ridge got mad at her, and then Ridge broke up with Brooke and slept with Taylor. And nobody but the viewers know that Thomas engineered the whole mess. This is all really stupid, I know. But it's a current central storyline. Thomas was using nefarious scheming to break up Ridge and Brooke, because he wanted Ridge to be with Taylor. This is in contrast to Steffy who was using normal means to encourage Ridge and Taylor to be together. Meanwhile Hope has no clue that Thomas would mess with Douglas' situation in this way. Fyi, Taylor was recast with Krista Allen who looks remarkably like Hunter Tylo used to look. Krista is doing a really great job.

SOD comings/goings section reports that Denise Crosby finishes airing as Carolyn Webber when Elizabeth returns to Port Charles.

No.

Yes Zende who was born in Africa of African parents, and adopted by Kristen Forrester and her husband Antonio Dominguez. Yes he was an intern at Forrester, then left to work at Forrester's Paris office. The character was offcanvas for a while. When he returned to LA, the role was cast with a different actor. Rome Flynn (previous Zende) and Delon de Metz (current Zende)

Updating Update on Steffy: She got out of the triangle nonsense that had been Hope/Liam/Steffy, and Liam/Steffy/Wyatt. She made a statement: "I choose me". She chose to be a confident single woman raising her daughter Kelly. She shares custody of Kelly with Liam but she and Liam are just friends. She became a happy single woman. One day she got into a motorcycle accident. The doctor at the hospital was named Dr. John Finnegan, but everyone calls him "Finn". Steffy and Finn fell in love and were in a great relationship and then Steffy got pregnant. Finn proposed and Steffy said yes. Finn is adopted. Supposedly his adoptive parents are Jack Finnegan and Dr. Li Finnegan. On Steffy and Finn's wedding day, Sheila Carter crashed the wedding and announced that she is Finn's biological mother. The truth came out that Jack Finnegan is Finn's real father, not just his adoptive father. Jack had an affair with Sheila and they conceived Finn. All of this happened offscreen and is a retcon to Sheila's past. It was arranged that Jack learn about this baby available for adoption, so that he and his wife Li could adopt Sheila's baby. *** Finn's adoptive mother Li never had any idea that Jack was Finn's biofather or that he had an affair with Sheila. All of this came out in the days following Steffy and Finn's wedding. *** [ inserting an edit to clarify: Jack always knew he was Finn's biological father. He arranged the adoption, but pretended that he didn't know it was his own child. His wife Li never knew until the reveal after Steffy's wedding.] Finn has a problematic biomother Sheila. But Finn himself seems to have no flaws. He loves Steffy and is devoted to her. Steffy and Finn's baby is a son named "Hayes". They named him after Steffy's mother Taylor Hayes. (which is weird because Hayes is the last name of one of Taylor's husbands, but whatever). It's really nice for Steffy to be in a good marriage with no triangle! After the reveal, Steffy (and everyone else) of course wanted nothing to do with Sheila. Finn tried to get to know Sheila and she fooled him a little, but not a lot. Sheila did various schemes to try to get access to Finn and baby Hayes. One of Sheila's schemes was to break up Brooke and Ridge, and to bring Ridge to Taylor -- Sheila helped Taylor, so as to befriend Taylor, with the goal of gaining access to their mutual grandson Hayes. Sheila did a specific nefarious thing that set this all off. Thomas learned what Sheila did but didn't tell anyone he knew. Thomas doesn't like Brooke because Brooke distrusts Thomas being with Hope. He also wanted his parents Taylor and Ridge back together. Sheila's scheme went on for months but Thomas never let on. It caused a lot of stress and anguish to Brooke but he didn't care. He still hasn't told anyone that he knew. Meanwhile, Steffy separately found out about Sheila's scheming, and Steffy immediately went to confront her. Shelia shot Steffy with a gun! Just then, Finn arrived and he got caught in the gunfire!. Sheila left them both near death on the ground, and fled the scene. There is a lot more that happened and Finn was taken elsewhere by his mother Li to recover (long story). Steffy and Finn both recovered eventually and were reunited. Sheila faked her death so that the police would stop looking for her. Sheila wears disguises and lives with Deacon who is protecting her. Steffy has stood by her brother Thomas and has defended him. But in recent days she has wondered if there is something a bit "off" about him. She kind of wonders, but then goes back to defending him because she wants to believe he is okay.

Remember the older Caroline Spencer (Dollar Bill's sister), who was Ridge's wife many years ago. Then there was her niece, the younger Caroline Spencer (played by Linsey Godfrey). **** This is about the *younger* Caroline. She had been married to Rick Forrester. They later divorced. Ridge had been pushed out of a helicopter which Bill had arranged, and he later on had long term head trauma that disrupted his functioning so that he was having trouble drawing. Caroline got into an accident and hurt her foot. (the actress did, so they wrote it into the story). Caroline and Ridge helped each other through these things, he learned to draw again, she learned to walk again, and they fell in love during all that, and then they got married. That may have begun around the time you stopped watching. Ridge and Caroline had a difference of viewpoint. She wanted to have children, but he didn't. He thought that he should leave her so that she could have children with someone else, but he still loved her and wanted to be with her. She was upset, but she hadn't decided to divorce Ridge. She borrowed a bunch of someone else's anxiety pills so that she could forget and went somewhere (maybe a hotel?) to take them and have a good cry. She had taken way too many pills to be coherent. Thomas somehow found out where Caroline was and went to see her to cheer her up, but she didn't really remember or understand what was happening. She woke up the next morning to find herself in bed with Thomas and he let her know they had "made love" or "had sex". She did not remember what happened, nor would she have agreed to that. She was aghast. Having watched it myself, in my opinion, Thomas knew she was unable to consent, and he took advantage of the situation, and it was rape. It was rape that viewers saw on camera, but Brad Bell later made a statement in an interview that it wasn't rape. Ridge and Caroline reconciled. ANYWAYS .... Caroline discovered she was pregnant. At some point, either before or after she knew she was pregnant, she eventually told Ridge what had happened, that Thomas had had sex with her without her consent. Ridge had clarified that he'd had a vasectomy years before, so the bio-father must have been Thomas. Ridge was upset at what Thomas had done. Ridge agreed to be the child's father and raise the child as his own, which is what Caroline wanted too, and they hid all this from everyone including Thomas. The child was born and they named him Douglas, after the late Stephanie Douglas Forrester, and Ridge loved him. All went well at first, with everyone believing that Douglas was Ridge's son. Later on ... I don't remember what happened exactly in what order ... but eventually Ridge and Caroline divorced ... and eventually and the reveal came out to the families that Thomas was Douglas' biological father. At some point Caroline left town with Douglas to go live on the east coast or someplace far from LA. There was some convoluted stuff and Caroline considered having a relationship with Thomas for Douglas' sake or whatever. Bill did something to arrange it so that Thomas would think that Caroline was terminally ill, so that Thomas would want to go live with her. During a visit to LA, Caroline agreed to Bill's subterfuge and played the part, but she later told Thomas the truth offscreen. Caroline still lived out of town but visited LA on a few rare occasions, but was basically gone from the show. Supposedly she and Thomas were finally having an offscreen relationship while living out of town. Then the show wrote in a one-sentence announcement where everyone learned that Caroline had died in the other city from a sudden medical condition like a blood clot or something. Thomas returned to LA with Douglas. Thomas became obsessed with Hope and has wanted her for several years. Hope was married to Liam. Meanwhile Steffy was a single mom of Steffy&Liam's daughter Kelly. She wanted to adopt a baby girl so as to give Kelly a sister. Steffy would be adopting as a single mom. Hope&Liam had a baby named Beth, who was believed to have died at birth. What actually happened was someone had arranged a baby switch so as to steal Beth and sell her to an illegal adoption placement scheme. Steffy ended up unknowingly adopting Beth and named her Phoebe after Steffy's dead twin sister. Meanwhile Hope and Liam grieved the loss of their baby Beth. Hope went through hell with the grieving. This grieving went on for several months. Thomas found out about the baby switch (after it happened) but he kept silent, because he wished for Hope's marriage to Liam to implode. That's the reference in the recent episode you saw, where someone said that Thomas allowed Hope to believe her baby was dead. Yeah he knew Beth was alive but he kept the secret from Hope, and allowed her to continue grieving. At some point, Liam and Hope separated and Hope was going to marry Thomas. Hope became Douglas' adoptive mother. Douglas is a smart child. While still very young (maybe 4?), he somehow learned that Steffy's baby Phoebe was actually Hope's baby Beth. Thomas learned that Douglas had found out. Thomas yelled at Douglas to keep silent about it. Douglas decided to tell the truth anyhow and that's how it was revealed. Hope got her baby Beth back. Hope and Liam reconciled. Hope is still Douglas' adoptive mother. She was given full custody of Douglas. Douglas lives with Liam and Hope and little Beth as a family. Douglas's bio-mother Caroline Spencer was Liam's first cousin. Thomas had been building a "bond" with Hope while working on the fashion line, and began to convince her that he is a good person and whatever. Then, in recent weeks, Thomas began pushing for visitation with Douglas. This was agreed to. The visitations happened occasionally and they worked okay. A couple of weeks ago, Thomas insisted that Douglas live at the Forrester mansion with Hope having visitation. And Douglas doesn't see her at her home. Hope has to come to the Forrester mansion to see Douglas. None of this was legally arranged. Thomas simply insisted on it and Hope acquiesced. This is puzzling to Liam! Basically, Thomas has a fantasy family of him, Hope, and Douglas living together happily ever after and he does whatever he can to nudge/manipulate things in that direction. And Hope is naive and can't see it. She wants to believe in the best in people. Meanwhile the viewers are shown the fantasies that Thomas is having in his mind. There have been other incidents and plots and fantasies that Thomas has been a part of, but that's too much to write here. One of them involved a mannequin that looked like Hope... long story.

They kept showing the same models in the same dresses on repeat just to fill the time. It could have been done showing the models walking around more of a runway, or turning or something, but there just wasn't much at all. I felt like I was watching a video that had sections put on loop. CBS and its fixation on cross-promotion is irritating. The model from Big Brother (Taylor Hale) and the model from The Price is Right (Alexis Haube) were emphasized over the real models. Alexis Haube is a recurring actor on B&B as the Forrester model "Petra" so I expected to see her. But I wanted to see more of the other models. I disliked that they used a loop of Taylor Hale during the closing credits for both Wed. and Thurs. She's fine and pretty and that fringed/tasseled dress was interesting, but I simply got annoyed at all the Big Brother stuff causing her to be highlighted. That and the Big Brother guys being used as fashion reporters. I don't have time to copy it over, but I posted a full list of all the models on the fashionshow spoiler thread. And a link to 40 CBS photos of the fashionshow. https://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/61909-bold-promo-lights-camera-fashion/#comment-1822527 If you've already watched the fashion show, you won't be spoiled by reading the fashion show spoiler thread.

I know, right? Hope used to insist on modesty and classic lines.

I'm not arguing whether the designs looked good or not, that's a matter of personal taste. But Ridge said on the stage today that this HTFT collection was NOT couture. Generally, "couture" means "high-end custom-made fashion" and in France it's something very specific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute_couture Here's something about couture in LA https://tegintl.com/what-is-couture/ Ridge said today "I realize that, at Forrester, we are mostly known for couture. But every now and then, we get to branch out, it's a lot of fun for all of us. We've done it before with Brooke's Bedroom and now were doing it again with Hope For The Future."

Alexis Gaube (in black) Taylor Hale (fringed dress)

Thomas fantasizes about Hope wearing this in the show. Will this be a gown she wears? or will someone else wear it? Maybe this is what Annika Noelle meant when she said she gets to wear two showstoppers? One for real and this one in Thomas' imagination?

This picture says it all

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I know, right? First B&B fashion show since before the pandemic, I think. In SOD Annika Noelle described filming this. Annika said BOLD had the most background performers on set since the pandemic began. Annika said: "I am so excited for the new direction our costume designer, Jeresa Featherstone, took for HFTF. She really wanted to make it a line where Hope’s aesthetic met Thomas’ edgy design." She hinted at something spoilerish: "And what’s fun about this show is that in a way, I got to wear not one but two showstoppers. You’ll have to tune in to find out what I mean."

What does everyone think of the fashions in the photos? In the past, wasn't one the premises of the Hope for the Future line is that it was supposed to *not* be revealing clothes, but instead something more classy? Regardless of that, what do you think of the designs shown in the photos and promo? Fyi, if you can't see the pics at that link, some of the dresses are here: https://www.worldofbb.com/index.php?id=2839005

PHOTOS!!! At the Paramount press site, there are now around 35 or 40 photos of the fashion show. B&B episode 8886 which will air Wed. Nov. 2, 2022 check them out at this link https://www.paramountpressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/the-bold-and-the-beautiful/photos/?page=1&limit=50 Per the captions on the press photos, these are the models who appear in that episode: ____________ Taylor Hale of Big Brother, as already noted. ____________ Alexis Gaube She recurs on BOLD as Forrester model "Petra", and is a regular model on The Price is Right. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10760193/ https://www.instagram.com/lexi_mg/ ____________ Beck Billman https://www.wilhelmina.com/los-angeles/women/runway/8503-beck-billman/ https://www.selectmodel.com/milano/model/beck-b ____________ Dominique Cahill https://www.instagram.com/dominiquecahill/ https://www.wilhelmina.com/los-angeles/women/development/3544-dominique-cahill/ ____________ Kacey Leggett https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4051984/ https://www.wilhelmina.com/los-angeles/women/runway/8404-kacey-leggett/ https://www.itmodelmanagement.com/talent/390464/ ____________ Sveta Maltseva https://www.instagram.com/wondersveta https://www.bountymodels.com/portfolios/sveta-m ____________

BTS from KKL - this is what she's wearing in the preview video. Her IG post is a slideshow video, press to watch all the way through, it shows different views with her hairstyle etc

Fyi, an update on Taylor Hale from Big Brother who appears as the model "Mackenzie" in the Hope for the Future fashion preview... Taylor Hale is in the news this week - she is accusing the former Miss USA pageant VP of sexual harrassment -- I posted about that in the "hollywood sexual harassment/assault" section at this link: https://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/55489-hollywood-sexual-harrasmentassault-thread/?do=findComment&comment=1822271

Taylor Hale competed in the Miss USA pageant. She is accusing the former VP of Miss USA of sexual harassment. https://www.eonline.com/news/1352526/big-brothers-taylor-hale-accuses-former-miss-usa-vice-president-of-sexual-harassment FYI, she appears on Bold and Beautiful as a model in the fashion show. The fashion show airs Nov. 1, 2, and 3, 2022. I think she airs Nov 2 &3.

These Big Brother houseguests appear in the Hope for the Future fashion preview. Ms. Taylor Hale plays "Mackenzie". Mackenzie is one of the models. Joseph Abdin plays "Sid". Monte Taylor plays "Del". Sid and Del are "superstar reporters". Taylor Hale Her B&B model character name is "Mackenzie" - which happens to be Taylor's middle name in real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Hale https://www.instagram.com/thetaylormack ---------------------- Joseph Abdin is an attorney in real life. https://twitter.com/JosephAbdin https://www.instagram.com/abdinjoseph/ law career: https://www.facebook.com/2798568093622949/ --------------- Monte Taylor https://www.instagram.com/taylord_fit_

Here's a preview clip that aired on The Talk last week. The Bold fashion show episodes include 3 Big Brother alums - so this is a CBS cross promotion between Bold, Big Brother, and The Talk.

Deacon does Cobra Kai moves with them. LOL. The children playing the trick-or-treaters: Halle Kiana Su https://www.instagram.com/hallekiana/ Brady Carville https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10843513