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The many faces of Jill week. I'm not sure if TPTB are too interested in going earlier than the 90s. I think since the theme weeks started, we've only had two 80s episodes and both were during Nikki's week. They didn't even air an 80s episode for Katherine's week. We did get one other 80s episode during the Friday classics.

Since, I started watching GL back in '03, I was always curious why my local CBS station in New York aired it at such an "off" time slot. All the other soaps on the three networks were scheduled after noon and before 4 and were pretty much tightly packed in that timeframe, except for GL which was on at 10am. I remember searching online back in 2003 and several times after and not being successful in getting a clear answer why, but the question came to mind again today and I have finally found an article that answered the question. Perhaps Variety has updated their archives, as this article is from 1995. CBS dims P& G ‘Light’ to make ‘Date’ July 12, 1995 The CBS Television Stations group has alienated the network’s largest daytime advertiser to make room for “Day & Date,” a new magazine show being jointly produced by the Eye web and Group W Prods. With its ratings diminishing, Procter & Gamble’s “Guiding Light,” the oldest continuing daytime soap, is being shunted to 10 a.m. from its longtime 3 p.m. slot by WCBS New York. The web’s flagship station wants to air “Day” live at 3 p.m. beginning Sept. 11. KCBS Los Angeles, meanwhile, has notified the advertiser that it intends to permanently shunt the soap to a deadly 9 a.m. slot after temporarily having moved it there from the afternoons to make room for 0 J . Simpson trial coverage. Naturally, the moves have not gone over well with the advertiser. But Group W Prods, hasn’t had the easiest time, either. When the Westinghouse stations renewed their affiliation pacts with CBS for 10 years, the deal involved a jointly funded effort to clear Group W syndicated shows on both its stations and the CBS O& Os. Initially, “Day” – the first project to emerge from the venture – had been pitched as a live, afternoon, early fringe news lead-in series. But some fiercely independent general managers at CBS-owned stations, which are the weakest of the Big Three network O& O groups, balked at having to choose “between a low-rated soap and an unproven afternoon magazine format over which they have no creative control. Group W is allotting 51% of the budget for “Day” and calls the shots, at least until the networks are fully deregulated. When it became apparent that some CBS stations would not carry “Day” directly before their afternoon newscasts, Group W broadened the parameters. It asked only that stations air it in post-3 p.m. early fringe slots. Now, however, CBS-owned WBBM Chicago has confirmed to Variety that it intends to carry “Day” at 12:37 a.m., after “The Late, Late Show With Tom Snyder.” The station in the nation’s third-ranked market is committed to Multimedia’s “Phil Donahue” and “Sally Jessy Raphael,” leaving only the out-of-pattern slot. But Group W apparently is not all that upset about the move, since it’s inheriting a time period that has averaged a 4 rating. KCBS, meanwhile, could end up installing “Day” at 3 p.m. after all, leading into its 4 p.m. news. The station, which could set its fall sked as early as this week, has only two hours available from 9 a.m.-4 p.m. and three hour syndie strips to fill them, the others being Tribune’s “Geraldo” and the new Carnie Wilson talkshow from Warner Bros. Group W is producing “Day” as an afternoon show and offering five live feeds from 3-8 p.m. to accommodate stations. So far, the syndicator has been able to license “Day” in only about 60% of the U.S. because of the early fringe restriction. As Westinghouse and CBS quietly work to resolve their scheduling differences, P& G is grumbling loudly about its predicament. Procter & Gamble Prods., which lenses “GL” and two other daytime dramas, wields considerable clout because of the hundreds of millions it spends each year on network TV. “It’s tough enough working against talkshows and normal daytime competition,” says a dismayed Phil Dixson, senior VP-managing director of daytime program services at DMB& B, the ad agency that oversees production for P& G, adding that downgrades to morning timeslots spell disaster for soaps. “We’re assuming that several other CBS O& Os are going to follow suit, if not in the fall then later in winter,” Dixson says. That would make it far easier for restless affiliates elsewhere to do the same. “Our concern is that this will have ripple effects that will backfeed across the country.” Asked if P& G will use its ad leverage to prevent further station defections, Dixson says he’d “rather not comment on that,” but adds, “Things like this obviously don’t help the conversation.” The company spent $270 million last year on daytime TV ads, including $53 million on network buys for CBS’ three serials, according to Competitive Media Reporting. A WCBS exec said the decision to shift timeslots was made at the network level after discussions over “lots of delicate issues that needed to be addressed.” The 10 a.m. slot becomes available when talker “Marilu” ends its seasonlong run in September. So far, other O& O’s have not followed N.Y. and LA.: WBBM Chicago is expected to keep “Guiding Light” at 2 p.m. Still, the show can ill afford to lose any large-market clearances. For the season to date, “Guiding Light” has earned a 4.3 national rating and a 15 share, according to Nielsen, continuing a downward spiral from 5.2/18 for the same period last season. (This is a pretty shitty comparison considering that all soaps had dropped from the same period from the previous season due to pre-emptions from the O.J. trial. Also, these numbers seem to align pretty closely with the numbers posted on Wikipedia. GL's household reach in the 1993/94 season was still pretty strong and it was less than a rating point away from GH for the past three seasons - it's direct time slot competitor. In fact, in two of those three past seasons GL was less than .5 points away in household ratings. GH was also showing steady decreases in HH ratings from 1990-1994 while GL was holding strong.) In major markets, as with CBS’ entire daytime schedule, the show’s done worse: For the May sweeps, “GL” earned a meager 2.6/8 in Gotham and a 1.0/5 at 9 a.m. in LA. The New York number is expected to decline further with the morning timeslot shift, which threatens to drag down prices for national ad time. “It seems, lifestyle-wise, it’s a busier time for typical soap viewers, and they find it easier to make time in the afternoon for soap operas, which require fairly attentive viewing,” says Julie Friedlander, senior VP-director of national broadcast negotiations at Ogilvy & Mather. Lynn Leahey, editor-in-chief at Soap Opera Digest, expects legions of loyal viewers to be “frustrated” by the change, but suggests a morning slot is better than none at all. Dixson says CBS execs have denied persistent rumors that “GL” would be axed after a record 43 years on TV and 15 on radio, dating to 1937. The network dumped “Search for Tomorrow,” another long-running P& G daytimer, in l986. To prop up the serial, P& G recently hired a new exec producer, Michael Laibson, to replace Jill Farren Phelps, who was moved to P& G-owned “Another World” on NBC. https://variety.com/1995/tv/features/cbs-dims-p-amp-g-light-to-make-date-99129328/

When I saw this posted on a different thread, my first thought was that the title sounds like a soap parody.

Interesting that the household numbers for the CBS and NBC soaps are pretty consistent from 1982 and 1992. Even though the household rating is smaller each point represents a larger quantity of households in 1992. Clearly the ABC soaps were at a high in 1982, but AMC is actually outperforming its household numbers from 82 in 1992. Helps me to understand that soap operas were still holding onto their audience even in the early 90s. I think Days is also doing better.

Someone mentioned and shared a video from an episode of GL where they were playing Madonna's Justify My Love. As I was watching an episode of GL on YouTube, I hear Janet's Diamonds in the background as Phillip talks to Harley around the 12 minute mark of the episode from September 19, 1988. Actually a little further into the episode, you also hear Bette Davis Eyes playing in the diner. I guess I was thinking this was something rare....forgive me, I started watching soaps avidly in 2003. I forget that they actually had budgets at one time.

Just watched this the other day. I started watching a clip from December '83 and was hoping to find the next episodes but they weren't available, but I did find the one you posted. Pretty amazing. Love GA

Thank you. I assumed it was a stunt but I wasn't sure if it had been confirmed by anyone (officially). I did see the video on YouTube but didn't know whether it was real.

She's really in a onesie and a lucha libre mask. I fell off a few episodes in, just lost interest. Same with season 11, but I did make it further with season 11. Last one I saw all the way through was 10.

Thank you! Thanks! I read through the articles John and VF and I was surprised. I guess no one is beyond committing something so awful, but I guess it's always strange when you recognize the individual from a tv show. I honestly only started to like JY on BB and even then it took me a while.

I also have some questions: After hearing about the live episode and the fact that SFT was struggling in the ratings, my first thought was that the live episode was actually a plan to boost ratings and interest in the show. I don't believe the tapes actually were lost, but instead this story was used to gain media attention. Somehow the tapes were gone and now this soap would have to do a live episode which hasn't been done in decades by this time. I also saw that someone posted the live show with the control room audio (not sure of the validity of this) but the video also confirms the fact that this was a ploy to draw interest. Does anyone know whether this has been confirmed in some way before? Also, I read on the early pages that by the end of its run SFT felt old fashioned compared to the other soaps on the air. How did it feel old fashion?

Oh ok...so this news is out there. I assumed it was some BTS stories that were circulating. Thanks for the tip

I would like to know...please share

Wow, wasn't expecting that for 80s TV. I wasn't aware that JC had substance abuse issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if all those unexpected absences were stints at rehab.

They used actual footage of her facelift or just had her facelift written into the story to explain her changes appearance?

I notice they're airing David Kimble's death on Monday, when they just aired the masquerade as a classic Friday episode some weeks ago. If they were going to show them both, they could have just dedicated a week to that whole storyline and aired a couple of major episodes - tying them together with some bonus cast intros or pop ups of some sort. I actually researched that entire storyline after the masquerade episode and looked up summaries and YouTube clips. I watched the trash compactor scene after reading about it in the summary, just because I was a bit shocked when I read it. Didn't find too many episodes aside from a clip with the missing scenes from the edited masquerade episode and smaller clips from the era.

Wow Crimson Lights was busy back in 2006. New management or bad coffee must have destroyed that place ... recently, when Sharon was calling her doctor for results, she and Rey were the only ones in there at one point and when there were more it was cast not extras.

I've watched live since it's premeire everytime. I will say I enjoyed season 1 a little better overall and wished they had explored or gone deeper with a few of the storylines before fast forwarding a few years with season 2. I know they were starting production on season 3 or at least about to shortly when all the stay at home orders began. I was hoping for this to come on late spring/early summer.

*posts gif of Siggy on the floor screaming "That's all I wanted"* This post pretty much sums up how I feel about Kyle. All these comments on Twitter and Instagram saying she's changed or is different -this season confuse me, because she has shown us all along this is who she is but I guess with the new dynamic it may be more obvious to others.

Found this article on EW.com. Looks like a zoom reunion with a bunch of cast members similar to the ones Locher has been hosting on his youtube page. There will be a new episode posted each day, Tuesday, May 26 - Friday, May 29. Two episodes will be released on Friday (total of 5). https://ew.com/tv/ew-reunites-all-my-children-cast/ From the article: Here is the full list of cast members involved in the reunion: Jennifer Bassey, Tamara Braun, Justin Bruening, Rebecca Budig, Mark Consuelos, Josh Duhamel, Bobbie Eakes, Melissa Claire Egan, Ricky Paull Goldin, Alexa Havins, Michael E. Knight, Jill Larson, Eva LaRue, Susan Lucci, Cameron Mathison, Cady McClain, Billy Miller, Alicia Minshew, Sydney Penny, Kelly Ripa, Leven Rambin, Eden Riegel, Chrishell Stause, Walt Willey, Darnell Williams, and Jacob Young.

I just spotted this on my insta stream.

Can I get an entire episode without Murphy coming on to say a lot of the same. I'm not saying it's not important, but can't they show this on their online news channel and then summarize on their 3 hours of news from 4-7pm later in the day.

I remember today's episode well. I watched YR around this time. Weird seeing so many characters I had forgotten about. That wig Shemar Moore has on...is a choice. It's the same one he wore for Diary of a Mad Black Woman. They were probably filming these episodes and film around the same time or shortly after.

This statement is so accurate it hurts. I really do like GV and think he's adorable, but I totally get what you're saying...he played the role very safe or maybe the writing just wasn't there when he played the character, but he seems really sweet and I hear he's doing well on DAYS. JY was never Lucky for me...maybe because he was on the way out when I started watching GH for a bit.

I didn't know that about the NBC soaps. It seemed that NBC was so desperate to compete with ABC and CBS that it would sometimes made moves that would do a lot of harm to it's lineup. I was reading up on The Doctors and they really killed off that show with all the moving across the schedule, especially since it performed so strongly in the early/mid 70s and did decent in the late 70s to then see some pretty significant drops at the end of the decade and beginning of the 80s.

It's interesting to see so many soaps on CBS and NBC. I know at one point, the number of soaps on daytime were in the teens but when it's on a grid like that it really gave me a better perspective of how heavily populated the daytime schedules were with soaps at one point. NBC having 4 soaps is odd as I have always remembered there only being 2, well vaguely remember 3 with AW, DAYS and SuBe. I will give it to NBC, they really did try up until the late 90s to get their schedule right and attempted through the years to experiment with new soaps and programming ...unfortunately at times, these experiments were at the expense of other soaps on their schedule. I believe NBC had the most soaps premeire on its network - I guess in an attempt to compete with ABC and CBS over the decades. However, I think expanding DAYS to an hour is what ends up hurting it's performance in the late 70s, especially once it starts going up against the highly rated ATWT at the time.