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YES! Loved it so much 😂

I finally watched it and Susan was SO good. I wish she had more scenes, but I'll take what I can get. I never in my life thought I'd hear Susan Lucci say the F word, let alone 4-5 times haha. To have Susan's character be on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was just amazing. I loved it. The movie itself was fine. It was funny, but the story was basic. Matt Bomer was also great.

I finally saw Susan Lucci's new movie on Apple TV (Outcome) and LOL at her being on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills! Such a legend and icon. How fun this would be in real life (although she's too good and smart for this show). I just loved seeing this though. Of course she's center diamond! I never imagined I would hear Susan Lucci say the F word, and to hear it 4-5 times LOL!

Y'all - I just watched Susan Lucci's new movie on Apple TV called Outcome (with Keanu Reeves and others). LOL at her character being on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills!!! Look at this - center diamond! Such an icon and legend hahaha. If only this were true in real life haha.

I just watched the 1998 movie Wild Things with a friend. I used to LOVE this movie as a teen, but haven't seen it in many years. It's honestly one of the sexiest movies of its time. Anyway, I recognized Jesse Blue (Paulo Benedeti) in the first 5 minutes sitting next to Denise Richards! It made me so happy seeing him in a movie while he was playing Jesse at the time.

Haha I love that! I'm a huge fan of Michelle Forbes, so I can't wait to see her on GL when I ultimately get there. Of course I loved her in Trek, but she was also so good in True Blood.

Oh very cool - didn't know that

Y'all! I was watching a random ATWT episode last night and noticed Mary Kay Adams (India), but went to her Wiki just to make sure it was her. And to my absolute surprise, I learned she was one of my favorite female Klingon characters on Star Trek: DS9! I'm SHOCKED and so happy to figure this out. She played such a great Klingon, which is so different from India. I've got way more respect now for Mary Kay Adams haha.

The BH finale was worth watching. Dorit has scorched earth and gives zero f's now, which is kind of fun. She's lucky she has Boz though, otherwise she would be on an island going forward.

Very interesting insights and thank you both, as always

Ahhh ok, this site gave me wrong information on the dates. I should have just trusted Wiki instead. https://cbsastheworldturns.fandom.com/wiki/Lily_Walsh Appreciate it!

You're welcome! I've love to have access to the soap mags throughout the 90s just to see what they would say about these GL storylines I'm watching (and my old AMC, etc). That's one thing I never had a chance to really read. I only got a glimpse of the covers at the grocery store, but never dared to open and read while standing there in public with my mom haha. Wonderful idea and storyline! That would have been way more interesting to watch. So it sounds like they made up Beth's tennis history here. They had newspaper clippings of how great she was at tennis, winning awards in school. Oh well, the whole thing was rather ridiculous when Beth became so embarrassed and cried because she told a little white lie about her tennis abilities just to be flirty with Jim. I think you're right about B&E here. Ugh, I wish I liked Beth more than I do.

Fascinating - thank you, both! When I have more time, I plan to watch a period of ATWT. I was going to start with Cady McClain's era (since I'm a big fan of hers), but any recommendations on a year to start where I could access every episode (like early 90s or so)? I'm not big on missing episodes.

I'm nervous to even venture into this... but I stumbled across this old 1992 Christmas Eve episode and I'm SHOCKED that another actress played Lily for the first half of the 90s! Was this actress popular? I honestly had no idea that Martha Byrne only came on starting mid-1995 (I know she played her for a few years in the 80s). Gosh it's great to see GL's Nola and India here! Jon Hensley was so hot back then. Sadly there isn't much to find about him in the past many years. Lucinda looks like a fun character!

This could go into many different threads, but I'll just put it here... politics aside, they briefly talk about Santa Barbara, which apparently was in a 'weird time' when Nancy and Eileen were together and they brought in Kim Zimmer. These dogs are so cute and the bigger one clearly loves Nancy haha. It's fun to watch Eileen get annoyed with Kathy. LOL at her trying to explain that her 5 different characters on DAYS weren't a single person with personality issues. It's annoying that throughout, Nancy didn't realize she should use her microphone haha. Eileen talks a little about her time on the Housewives. LOL at Nancy saying she hates Housewives because it pits people against people, but then I think about her behavior online which they instantly go into...🤣 Also LOL they don't know Austin Peck. Anyway, enjoy (or not, if you don't love these ladies and their views haha).

But that's what was weird to me - she was the aggressor, so to have sex with him didn't seem like it would make her recoil in fear with visions of Carl. But honestly, Beth has been so confusing to me since her arrival (for me). She comes across very pushy and competitive with men, to the point she's very catty with all the women (who all hate her), but then she's also deeply insecure at times. It doesn't come across to me as someone that I can root for... and I want to, given her history with the show, that I've read about... but I can't. I also don't love bratty Susan who hates her right now, so I don't really feel for either of them.

The MCE episode was SO good, I just love her. I love how MCE and Rebecca gave David Canary his flowers. I loved Adam and crazy Annie together and I'm so happy to hear that MCE loved that storyline. It was impressive how quick MCE's recall is with storylines and character names - like her daughter Emma on AMC - she said Emma so quickly! It was so fun watching these three just be friends like they're at happy hour drinking margaritas. It was fun.

I heard the same thing! I was working a puzzle and had to look up and think twice haha.

LOL - well Jim is just a dopey golden. Super harmless. Ugh, I miss Matt and Vanessa both. It feels like I haven't seen them in a month. Well it's been since Reva/Josh's wedding I guess. That reminds me that Vanessa and Bill never even had a scene together/acknowledged that he almost got shot up and died at the Santos mansion - boo!

I don't know TJ or his backstory, but they did mention this week that he's in Europe (or maybe they said overseas).

I’m up to June 15, 1999. Holly is ready for her hearing, but Blake/Ross have to give her the bad news that the judge has delayed it until August, even though the good press they’ve generated has been working. While sad, Holly thanks Blake and Ross for working together to help her, but then Ross just gets the news that a mystery person has a made a call and was able to get her date changed to tomorrow. The hearing starts the next day and Ross and the prosecutor (Doris) make their arguments, but it’s ultimately Holly who speaks candidly about her past and struggles, but how she’s worked hard on herself and feels recovered. The judge says he’s very hesitant to let her go, but because there are no outstanding charges against her and the majority of doctors have voted in her favor, he decides to let her go, but she has to wear an ankle monitor, continuing therapy and can never work with or near children again. Holly/Blake/Ross all celebrate together, but Doris, the prosecutor, tells Ross what just happened makes no sense and leaves, with Ross saying under his breath that wasn’t quite a miracle, but something strange happened. Outside, Blake gets a call from Ben who congratulates her for Holly’s release, but she asks how he could possibly know since it just happened, and he says that doesn’t matter and hangs up. We then see Ross talking to the judge privately, who tells Ross that his ‘lowlife brother, Ben’ made it possible to get the hearing date moved up and to get Holly released. Later, we see Holly finally at home with Blake, feeling at peace. While Holly is with the boys, Ross comes by and tells Blake about Ben getting Holly released, but doesn’t want to take credit for it. Blake is shocked, but reiterates to Ross that she and Ben are over. Ross eventually leaves, but hugs Blake on his way out, which Holly happens to see. She comes out smiling and Blake tells her to calm down, they are just friends and she then tells Holly about Ben getting her released. Carmen continues to lie to Danny and now Pilar about wanting to make the family straight and narrow. Danny asks her to publicly announce to everyone what they’re doing at Ray’s upcoming mass service (his first as priest), which she agrees to, but tells Ben she’s going to continue to lie. Danny later tells Michelle about the plan, and how he’s going to have Ray marry them after the mass service as a surprise to everyone, which makes her excited. We then see Dietz listening to Carmen/Ben’s conversation about her convincing the other mob families that she’s going to continue working with them behind her children’s backs, but he doesn’t like the inconsistency and thinks they’re becoming weak. He calls the other family and says he’s defecting to them and wants to put a hit on the Santos family during the mass service! Carmen tells Ben about her late husband and how on his deathbed, she promised to keep his legacy alive and she can’t go against her promise. Abby’s doctor comes by to ease her fears and fix her implant, which ultimately works and makes Abby/Rick happy again. Rick runs into Michelle and Danny and tells her about Abby’s implant, which excites Michelle. I’m glad they threw this in here, because Budig’s Michelle was very involved in Abby’s sign language story. Rick comments on how happy Michelle looks, so Danny tells him about his plan to legitimize the family business and then asks him properly for Michelle’s hand in marriage. Rick still says he’s hesitant about the world she’ll be in, but asks him to take care of her and he promises to. Abby arrives and she says she’s comfortable going to the wedding, even with all the new sounds. People start to gather for Ray’s first mass service and Carmen is quick to wonder why Rick and Abby are there. We then see Dietz and his new cohort talking outside, acting giddy about what they have planned, just as the camera pans over to Danny/Michelle with a 30-minute bomb timer starting to tick underneath their pew. Ray starts the service and Abby, now with superhuman hearing LOL, can hear a whirring sound (the bomb timer) that no one else can hear and asks Rick about it. We see Deitz lock the doors and Ben eventually asks Carmen where he is, but she brushes it off. Abby then interrupts the service by jumping out of her seat and asking everyone if they can hear that noise. Rick tries to calm her down, but she’s dead set on finding it and eventually does so by pointing at the timer which is at 9 minutes. Danny realizes it’s a bomb and everyone panics and realizes they’re locked in. Bill pipes up and says he thinks he can turn it off if he chooses the right wire to cut, but a frantic Michelle starts running to them and Bill takes her to the corner and covers her up. Danny then pulls the right wire with just 2 seconds left and saves the day. Carmen tells Ben this is just the start of a war and she will get revenge, and Michelle tells Bill she thinks Carmen set up the attack, which Bill doesn’t believe. Dietz comes around and plays innocent as Danny goes off on him for not watching out for them. He tells them he saw a man running away, but he couldn’t catch him (lies). They send him away to tell all the families that the Santos family is alive and well. Michelle sees that Danny is turning back to his old self by wanting revenge, and after Carmen tells him to leave with her, Michelle stops everyone and openly calls out that Carmen staged her own shootout. Carmen denies it and Pilar can’t believe it, but Michelle says she has proof. She brings out the clock and explains the difference in time between the clock when the guns were fired and when Ben called. Bill eventually backs her up and Danny presses Carmen for the truth. She’s hesitant, but Ben encourages her to tell the truth and she finally does by saying she did it because she was afraid of losing her kids. However, she says she wasn’t involved in the bomb attempt and it was a reminder that you can’t leave the lifestyle, so she tells Danny he must stay involved with or without Michelle. Rick later confides in Abby that he is once again scared for Michelle’s life and feels like he must do something to protect her. Selena and Buzz talk about when she learned she was pregnant, which Drew overhears. Selena says she was in a bad place, but started turning her life around for her baby, but she was being abused so badly by one of her johns leading up to Drew’s birth. Drew is crying while listening just as Jesse walks up. Selena and Buzz see them both and they quietly realize Drew heard them talking, even though she said she was just enjoying the weather, and Jesse/Drew leave. Drew later visits Selena and asks her for more information, seemingly more open to hearing her. Selena cries and tells her how much she loved baby Drew and all the struggles she had to make money to keep her fed and safe. She says she kept the book of johns in case she was murdered, because her murderer’s name would be written down in the book for the police, which gets to Drew. We then see a flashback of a young Selena with a baby Drew and the police snatching the baby away and arresting Selena. Drew then hugs Selena and they cry together, which was sweet, and Drew apologizes to her for judging her so badly for giving her up. Again, wonderfully acted scenes by these two ladies. Meanwhile, Buzz lets it slip to Jesse that he cares for Selena more than just a good friend, and after Buzz tries to backtrack, Jesse reminds him that Jenna liked Selena a lot and he should pursue it. Later, Drew tells Jesse about her talk with Selena and how she was taken away as a baby, how upset she is by it, and how bad she felt for Selena. She then goes to Selena at Company and calls her ‘mother’, which Max overhears. When he confronts them about it, Selena plays it off as Drew is like a daughter to her and vice versa. Max eventually leaves and Selena asks Drew about calling her mother and Drew says yes, she can see their connection and she’s going to embrace it, which makes Selena so happy. Later, as Buzz and Selena are getting Company ready for its grand reopening the next day, they play music and goof around by dancing and eventually kiss. Harley walks in just as they pull apart and Selena starts to freak out, which tickles Harley. She eventually leaves to clean the kitchen and Harley/Buzz discuss his feelings, which Harley is supportive of. Susan is now hellbent on being anti-Beth, which is a total 180 from a few months ago. She comes up with a secret plan with Max to make Beth look like trash to Jim. Meanwhile, Cassie and Blake are with Harley and trading notes on how insecure and difficult Beth is to deal with. Susan/Max show up and Susan lies by saying she wants to thank Beth and create a photo album for her like she did for Susan on her birthday. She asks Phillip for help by giving her old pictures of Beth from high school that he has saved. Meanwhile, Jim and Beth are gearing up for a tennis date, where Beth is asking him to teach her how to play, and they find Annie alone with Lizzie yet again at the house. Before they came in, Lizzie had confided in Annie again that she feels lonely and left out now that Beth is spending more time with Jim. Beth tells Annie it is time to leave, and Annie privately tells Lizzie that she’ll see her again. Susan/Max then show up and Susan lies and says Phillip wanted her to bring this big box of photos and memorabilia to Lizzie. She starts opening things and finds a news article about Beth being a tennis champion, along with pictures of Beth playing doubles with Phillip, which surprises Jim and makes Beth look like a liar. Beth is embarrassed and starts crying about it and runs off, but Jim sees through what Susan is doing and he calls her out on it later. He gives her a good tongue lashing and Susan then cries to Max about how Jim is taking Beth’s side over hers. Jim then comforts a crying Beth who is so emotional about this dumb thing, and he says it’s ok and kisses her. This whole thing is SO silly to me, I can’t believe I’m typing it out in detail. Later, they finally have sex for the first time, but it was a bit cringe at first because she flashed back to Carl and freaked out. Beth started crying and a shirtless Jim had to convince her it’ll be ok and he slowly tells her every move he’s going to make so she isn’t scared and they finally get on with it. Why she wasn’t this scared with Matt is beyond me. Afterwards, Jim leaves for work and Susan watches, which makes her realize they spent the night together and she freaks out. Beth finds Susan and Susan screams and lashes out at her, eventually telling Beth that she hates her and threatens that she’s seen nothing yet. Reva and Josh are enjoying their honeymoon with mud baths and massages, but when the meditation guy comes in, they realize it’s a hippie spirituality and wellness retreat, and they eventually just want pizza, which they sneak in and enjoy. They haven’t mentioned where they are, so not sure if they are in San Cristobel or not, which is odd.

Already enjoying Ethan! The scenes with Ethan and Lulu were warm and they seem to already have good sibling chemistry. Otherwise a bit of a slow day, although I enjoyed Carly/Lucas. Willow/Jacinda got good at the end and I'm excited to see Michael enter the scene on Monday. Still not getting a romantic vibe for Laura/Ezra (hope I'm right), but starting to think they're trying to redeem Ezra and make him less of a greasy slimeball.

Great point! Ugh same. I'd love to see Vernon have a storyline of his own, but a medical issue just after Anita's is overwhelming.

I was just about to post this. I loved it. I know the Naomi/Jacob flashback episode wasn't liked by all, but I really like those scenes where we can see how certain relationships started and the milestones that already took place.

Me too!