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I'm just amazed he is being ousted at all. I thought he and CBS were determined to try and ride it out.

The NYT has many, many issues but the NYT didn't write this editorial. However self-serving, the author won't remain hidden for long. What matters most IMO is we're in an unprecedented situation where the president's senior staff are now openly invoking the 25th Amendment and removing him "one way or another" in one of the biggest press in the nation. And if you think it does nothing you're wrong, because Trump has been in even more freefall numbers-wise since McCain. Eventually, saying any public statement "just helps him" is ultimately self-defeating and untrue. It's I Am Spartacus time:

Boom. There goes Susan Collins' fig leaf:

The thing is, things are changing. He's at 36% today.

Why do you dislike a woman you've never met so much? We're talking about fictional storylines on a fictional TV show.

I don't think he was being malicious, either. But Brown clearly finds him responsible or culpable for something.

Oh, it's worth a read. They invoke the 25th Amendment and say Trump's administration will end "one way or another." It's self-serving rationalization, but it's still honestly shocking and history in the making.

If this is your criteria for posting and speaking to literally anyone on this forum I wish you the best of luck at your table for one. This is not going to work out for you.

SoapNet had message boards? Okay. Reva is unforgettable as is her heyday. Her bad OTT stories sprinkled through her last ten years? Not so much. Are you really that new to this forum? No one and nothing is sacred. We don't pretend stuff we've thought was shít is spun gold.

Oh God! I was just thinking it was those awful pantsuits that were ruinous to Zimmer. The lighting and hair coupled with that?? I think the later years, oddly enough, handled Reva better in that respect. They knew she was an aging good time girl and let her just be that, flaws and all - possibly because the budget and production had fallen apart but still. It was the Rauch era trying to pretend she was the queen of desire that embarrassed me. And for the record, I grew up watching Dark Shadows on Sci-Fi - I know that show backwards and forwards. Doesn't mean it wasn't laughable on GL.

This is the most anyone's talked about Reva and the time traveling paintings in over a decade, including possibly when the story aired, judging by GL's viewing figures at the time.

Sarah also took a shot at Maurice Benard:

Paul Rauch had a long, storied and at times celebrated career. We criticize the lowlights of his resume because they were very bad. It's not about you. We did it long before you came along. As for Reva, I fail to see how her '80s storylines translated into an obvious impulse to push her into ludicrous sci-fi storylines that were off-brand for the show - to say nothing of the relentless need to push her as an irresistible love object, which I never bought and thought was off-putting for the more earthy character. I love Kim Zimmer now, but I did not grow up with Reva the sex goddess of the 1980s and I didn't feel it remotely worked in the '90s or early 2000s. Reva as varnished royalty? No.

Self-serving editorial? Yes. Shocking and unprecedented regardless? Oh yes.

Uh.......

Josh basically did create and raise a clone to fúck. I have no idea how Reva ever got over that. I only initially tuned into GL to see the clone mess and later, Crystal Chappell who I'd loved on OLTL. It was just a debacle AFAIC.

I believe Marcy was killed.

Marcie reappeared at least once or twice in the following year - IIRC the teens turned up in Marcie and Michael's new town, ran into her at the hospital, and she promptly gave birth then and there.

Paul Rauch's GL was tacky, hot neon shít. Brown and Esensten, mediocre writers at best and terrible at worst, were perfectly suited for his latter-day decline. Embarrassing. Who gave a fúck about an island kingdom of faux-British prigs in the middle of nowhere that had nothing to do with the town or characters? Certainly not me, and I was not some longtime viewer - I was their supposed 'new audience' and I thought it was hilarious and tuned out. It's because of Paul Rauch, San Cristobel, the clone, etc. that it took me years to give GL or its past the time of day. JFP had a few very specific skills she honed over many long years that are sometimes noticeable, but as someone said long ago - I think it was Marcy Walker (who had a disastrous stint on GL and knew it) - her being a good line producer didn't make her a good all-around EP. She reached the limit of her talents around 1992 and dealt GL one of several death blows. Later she moved on to crippling AW and my show (OLTL), and then spent years helping to dismantle GH and finally Y&R. She hasn't had anything novel or legitimate to offer the genre in decades and her reputation is well-deserved. I'll stop before I segue into how she made half the female leads physically embody her onscreen and get paired with her favorite leading men, or digress into the Kale Browne Welfare Program on ABC.

I know, it's Bob Woodward, but this is a must-read (as is the second link):

I think Sloan was very good in the role and sure, attractive physically, but Lillian as a person always just seemed off and strange to me, very affected. Including in that storyline. I think the energy she and Parker radiated was very different and I just find her colder. YMMV.