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As I said in the thread about this news, re: why this stuff is allowed to continue for years at soaps including Y&R - Further, the little remaining 'official' soap press (and most of the online soap sites as well tbqh) have absolutely zero interest in doing anything but transcribing press releases and retaining access to the last of the soaps. It's real easy for former soap magazine staff or current online soap bloggers to show out on Twitter whenever a piece of news comes out, but where were you when you knew about it as a supposedly 'open secret' for years and said nothing while reporting on Ken's 54th Plan to Save Days?

Exactly. People need to stop assuming they are the first person any of this shít has ever occurred to, and listen for once vs. just talking.

Again, it's partly because veteran staff closely guard and protect these cushy positions for themselves or their friends or relations. (I'm not condemning them for this in any way or questioning their talent, but one example of a family pipeline is the Cullitons and Claire Labine.) GH has picked up some new talent, particularly talent of color, in the last decade BTS. But I think they also cut a few of them very recently. And the less said about the last tatters of the soap press which happily regurgitate press releases, pointedly ignore any scandals (I'll never forget when they haughtily threatened to name a fairly well-known abusive actor at an ABC soap in the early 2000s while complaining only in a blind item) because it's for 'the good of the soaps' and then act like they're so cool showing out only on Twitter while they're barely making rent, the better. Yes, that includes Soap Opera Digest and what was Soap Opera Weekly. No, I am not going to hear excuses for them. From anyone.

Albert Alarr is clearly awful but is far from the only problem at Days. It goes to Corday.

They can't afford her. Barbara is likely doing it as a favor to Y&R - she is very busy in horror movies these days both in front of and behind the camera.

I assume Jamey will respond to this serious issue via a series of Dynasty-related memes.

Which is why this continues to go on at these shows. Few are left who know how to maintain this kind of production cycle, and few new people are allowed to be trained or cultivated in writing or production if they're not close friends or family (because these are in fact seemingly very lucrative positions for a creative in the post-Netflix era, and the existing veterans want to preserve their own income), and then the networks or owners don't care about the soaps at all beyond them filling a timeslot. So we have this.

Again, I'm an extremely lapsed viewer but my first thought was Wally Kurth.

The love scene anecdote reminds me of one Steve Fletcher told about Rauch coming in on those at OLTL in the '80s, inserting himself into the scene. Is @Khan still around? He used to enjoy these guessing games. Didn't Sony just let Morina quit Y&R quietly many, many, many months after the initial public allegations?

He's always been like that though, about so many things. I am barely plugged into Days in this era as a viewer, let alone BTS so the most I'd ever heard was that Alarr had a heavy hand and could be an ass. This doesn't surprise me though, not after Morina or Paul Rauch or I'm sure many others. And Melissa Archer's harrowing thread about some of her time at OLTL indicates to you how little we really ever know even about shows very close to us.

Corday will do nothing unless forced, and then blame the media.

Again, we discussed this a bit in the GH thread and the answer is no one knows lol. My personal take is she existed/exists but no one remembers. It is all a mess. This is very often the case.

There's lots of shitheels out there. But the answer 90% of the time is don't engage your audience on social media.

Wow. Next up: Ken Corday blackballs Deadline from getting PR releases. (This is a joke)

I think a line or two years ago suggested Victor was dead.

It doesn't make a ton of sense. RC heavily invested in plot points from "The Gift" a decade later, but Erin Hershey Presley only being on for I think a day to get brutally murdered was dumb and the budget and focus choices (Heather, Todd, the terrible twink hired to play Rafe Jr.) hurt the story as much as some of the insane plot twists. They offer an alternative and very poor cover explanation for who Caleb 'really' is in the GH world at one point (crazy guy named Stephen Clay convinced he was a vampire who killed his wife Livvie, with no explanation as to why Lucy would believe in a vampire fantasy), then IMO basically dump it all at the end with Caleb's hinted-at survival and taking back of the magic ring before he exits town unnoticed. This to me suggests he is real and Lucy was right all along, that the ring and its magic made people believe the alternative facts. It just wasn't the way to handle it - they needed to do something clearer and go all in, then get rid of it all. And not make it look like it was done for $16.

Yes. IIRC it was suggested at the time they were together again, no other mention beyond that.

I think streaming still can be good for entertainment, as it was at the outset and in many of the ways you describe. But when everything in it is driven by a ceaseless drive for endless content, nostalgia bait, algorithmic analysis and tech bros focused on the next quarter vs. any industry longevity, it's not a recipe for future survival for entertainment. That has to change. I think we may well be at an inflection point for the industry not unlike the end of the '60s, just as Harris describes. But this period resembles the '60s in many ways, not just in media.

Real awkward coming in a few hours ago, writing a reply in the PC thread and finding myself surrounded by 3000+ bots. Maybe this can also lead to a firmer monitoring of our favorite troll and/or trolls who have continued making obvious and only slightly less obvious sockpuppets for years.

Another thread I think is relevant to the above and the dug-in philosophy re: the strikes from the great Mark Harris:

An accurate thread: Also accurate:

They did get back together on GH (and apparently were married again for a time before then, between PC and Lucy's return in late 2012). It just didn't last thanks to Ron.

I remember they turned Kevin into a total lunatic near the end (I think due to magic) and tried to put Ian and Lucy together. That was the nadir for me. I don't remember Karen being a vampire but who knows. Killing her and Eve were both huge blunders. Alison sleeping with Caleb was the focal twist which set off all the events some of us recently discussed in the GH thread re: Carlivati's disastrous PC wrapup arc in 2013 - it leaned heavily on the continuity and story points of "The Gift," like I think Caleb's magic ring or whatever it was. My take on the murky, unclear storytelling at the very end of that mess was that all of PC did happen, but Caleb's magic spell has made everyone mostly forget the true events and characters post-"Tainted Love". Who knows.

I just remember that by the end the show had like, a vampire blood bar people hung out at or something. And yes, what little they gave Ellsworth, Nolan North, etc., the few remaining normal characters was just demeaning. I do remember the single-episode story turn in which they finally realized Joy Bisco's 'twin' character (Marissa) was not working and replaced her on canvas with the more popular Casey the angel all in a single 20 min period and then went right back to the story in progress, which was one of the strangest things I've ever seen on daytime outside of Dark Shadows.

Every recast is 'permanent' til they fire you.