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2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

To enter 2023, a wild 1996 episode appears!

This is one of the years that taught me my ATWT was gone for good (with FMB and then Sheffer hammering the final nails in - and of course MADD, can't forget her), but still, for the sake of completion it's important more show up. 

And right off the bat we get the screaming and yelling from Tom and Margo that pretty much took away any interest I had in the characters. 

At least there are multiple mentions of Lisa owning The Argus, which is something the show seemed to later memory hole.

Nice to see Mac being used properly.

The episodes before and after this are on Youtube.

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Thanks! 

5 hours ago, DRW50 said:

RIP Robert Gentry. I'm glad that huge chunk of summer '66 episodes survive, letting us see so much of his work. I wish more was easily available.

RIP . I'm also happy those 1966 episodes are around. I never get tired watching them

22 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I just think with Carly, they always made her zero focus on the fact that Jack was the only man for her. Meanwhile, Jack, who I do love, was able to have many loves as you pointed out. It just would've been refreshing to see Carly have that as well. She got pigeonholed at times. 

And don't get me started about Carly and fashion line. Again, I just think the show did a huge disservice to her--all the characters when it came to their careers. I think that soaps steering away from workplace drama and dynamics ruined all these shows. If we look back at ATWT's 2nd "Golden Age," Marland having ALL the characters being career driven and ambitious is what provided so much drama throughout the canvas. Hell, early to mid 90s, workplace stories is what made the CBS (and Another World on NBC) HOT! I miss boardroom drama where we had either rivaling companies trying to get their product to the top, OR the inner workings of employees trying claw their way to the top. It was a concept that we all understand whether we worked for corporate America or simply worked at Kmart. 

I think about this all the time thinking about Guiding Light. Everybody stopped working. In the early 90's with both shows, women juggled their career ambitions with their romantic issues, people brought work issues home and home issues to the workplace, and people who wouldn't ordinarily have stories with each other, had stories with each other due to work. All we ended up with were endless breakup and makeup stories and over the top villains. Never understood why they moved away from what worked

16 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

What were some of the controversial backstage events at GL over the years?

Offhand I can name

Michael Zaslow firing

Jane Eliot dismissal

Kim Zimmer's refusal to renegotiate her contract to assist budget cuts

Beverlee McKinsey's departure

Mart Hulswit being replaced

Can others add to the list?

Here's an article dealing with Jane's dismissal.

Guiding Light' producer won't renew Carrie's contract Hirsch Field Syndicate July 8 1982

Allen Potter, the urbane, triple-Emmy-winning producer of "GuidingLight" has been reading all the reports concerning the imminent departure of that program's JaneEliot who plays Carrie. He  does not wish to do battle but merely set viewers' ease by telling the other side of the  story.  Regarding the issue of Jane's departure: not axed. When we went into negotiations it was for a year's contract only. As the end of that year drew closer it was obvious from the way the Carrie storyline was being written that the character was being terminated. I spoke with Doug Marland, the show's head writer, a few months earlier, and he said he had an alternative story which would have Carrie develop a third personality. "I felt that the story had been done. At no time was Carrie's storyline about her per se, but it was really about her effect on those around her and those who loved her. To me, seeing Carrie's evolvement  would not have been a great storyline, although it would have been feasible and I know as a writer Doug Marland could have handled it. "Jane felt that as her contract time ran short she should have been called into the office by me and told. Maybe so, but I felt she knew when her contract was coming to an end- she negotiated it - and seeing how the story was going, didn't need to be notified. At that point I felt it would have been stating the obvious. Perhaps I should have spoken with her and said, 'By the way, your contract's up in a month.' I didn't. It was not meant as a slight in any way. Other actors have had their contracts come to a close and have not been called into the office." In a previous column we mentioned the possibility that the cut of Elliot may have been due to budget. Potter says not true. "Procter and Gamble is not pinch-pennying on 'Guiding Light.' I was just told last week by the powers that be that any money needed for storyline or location will be given to the show." Potter also spoke to the possibility of further cast cuts "We have begun a 13-week cycle, and none of our stars has been let go. Janet Grey, who plays Eve, has just signed a new contract. Every cast member who is part of the show will remain with the show through this cycle and the foreseeable future." Potter's main concern is that neither cast nor viewer feels that "Guiding Light" will be sending tons of characters to the hinterlands. One rumor that Potter is trying hard to squelch through the press and by sending memos to the cast concerns Doug Marland's leaving the show. According to Potter, "Doug is still doing breakdowns for the show, he is under contract and will continue to remain the 'Guiding Light' head writer in the foreseeable future. 'However. Procter & Gamble and Doug have decided to explore the expansion of Doug's considerable talents in the area of consultant to other P & G soaps while he continues as head writer of 'Guiding Light.'" This is not an uncommon practice, since Agnes Nixon often toiled as consultant to ABC's soaps while exercising control over "All My Children." As for Jane Elliot, she considered staying in New York since her husband Luis was working as a cameraman for "All My Children." but the duo decided to pack their bags and head home to Los Angeles. And in the future for "Guiding Light," Potter promises and will certainly deliver if last year is an indication exciting storylines, sleek production and a socko cast.

It's great to finally hear Potter's side of the story. I really didn't care too much for Carrie, she was boring to me minus her other personality killing Diane and I believe Joe. I also don't care about Marland being angry with the way he felt Elliott was treated, especially hearing about his disrespect for Hulswit, my favorite Ed Bauer 

1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

I wouldn't say it was a good scene...but it was a good episode based on a stupid story and decision.

Nursery rhyme stalker was a bad story..and one of the results was the stupid decision to kill Jenna off.

What resulted was Jenna visiting all the people she had ties/history with (Buzz, Vanessa, Harley, Alexandra, and Holly)...with one scene having India wish she had known Jenna better with Alex stating they would have a lot to talk about.

I will never understand why they ignored Jenna and Nadine's ties and histories and attached them both to Buzz's hip only to kill them both off (yes I know, wrong thread lol)  

10 hours ago, Joseph said:

I asked about it a while back Try going back a couple of pages

Anyone know Where I could find ATWT  episodes with Jennifer Bassey As Lisa??? She's the only one I think I'm still missing

As For Recasts, Seems Like soaps have been doing well with this lately, the last five Recasts I Remember happening ultimately worked: Ashland Locke, Summer Newman Abbott, Dr. Taylor Hayes Forrester, Tucker McCall Seems to be Working, Alley Mills as Heather I guess is still too soon

I went back a few pages and nothing answers any of my questions 

Did anyone see any episodes of Kathryn Hays' brief run as Leslie Jackson Bauer on GL? Any idea of why her run was brief and what part of Leslie's story she played? 

5 hours ago, Broderick said:

Seems like on Y&R, the Asian lady (Sumiko?) who ran the New World commune was escaping with suitcases full of money, while Paul Williams was running around trying to save Peggy Brooks (who'd taken the "Deborah Saxon role" as the "fake member") from the rat-infested storage shed.  Peggy was representing the Y&R newspaper, while Deborah Saxon on Edge was working for the Monticello Police Department.    

Yes! I remember her played by an Asian actress. Thanks! 

19 minutes ago, Broderick said:

Could be right, Vee.  Slesar could've certainly heard of him!  There were several situations developing during that time frame -- movie and TV stars were revealing they were Scientologists (which was a "suspect organization" among some people), there was an outfit called "Heaven's Gate" in San Diego that was getting some attention, and multiple others.   I recall that after the events of November 1978, there were a number of novels published about cults, and Y&R even tried its hand at a fairly "benign" cult in the summer of 1980.  Slesar's timing, though -- yikes!

I don't want to turn this into a "cult thread", but I hope you've seen the video footage of Leo Ryan's visit to Jonestown.  It's chilling to realize all of the people in this NBC News clip would literally die within 24 hours of the filming: 

 

Thanks so much for all this info! And now that you mention it I vaguely remember the 1 on Y&R? I was 8 and might misremember but did it end with money falling out of a briefcase in front of members and that's how they found out the leader was a fraud? I have a whole lot of reading to do and hope it jogs my memory 

2 hours ago, Broderick said:

The abrupt ending of Edge's "Children of the Earth" storyline: 

The Coincidence of "Edge's" Cult by John-Michael Reed

Memphis Commercial Appeal

December 1978

If the tragedy of the People's Temple in Guyana hadn't occurred, a storyline on ABC's "The Edge of Night" involving a group of people called the Children of the Earth would undoubtedly have been ignored by the non-serial public.  Instead, "Edge" finds itself in the center of a sensitive controversy.  

The fictional Children of the Earth is a pseudo-religious cult devoted to the greening of the land.  The sect is led by the messianic Rev. Eliot Dorn.  In the "Edge of Night" storyline, there have been intimations of fraudulent activities within the cult, scenes of initiation rites, and a half dozen drowned bodies surfaced and have been assumed to be suicidal former Children members.  

There have been clues hinting at a process termed "a killing prayer ritual" when avowed Children leave the fold. 

And naturally there have been outraged accusations to ABC that Edge is capitalizing on the headlines about the late Rev. Jim Jones and his cult.  

Edge's headwriter Henry Slesar explains:  "We conceived our serialized story more than eight months ago.  I'm naturally curious about contemporary phenomena. Admittedly, I have a vague uneasiness about cults that influence people.  But my reasons for writing a story involving a group called Children of the Earth weren't derived from any specific organization. Like most people, I'd never heard of Jim Jones. Since Edge is a crime-based serial, I was interested in exploring what would happen if there was a crime involved in such a group.  We were all shocked by the events in Guyana, but in fact we began airing our story six or seven weeks before the tragedy transpired there.  We're not trying to expose anybody or anything, but unfortunately it may appear to some that we're treading on toes because of current real-life revelations.  Because of the suddenly sensitive nature of the subject, it's no secret we've had to expedite the story, and yes, there are ramifications that I originally intended to tell which we won't be able to explore now."  

There was a press conference at the Edge set to introduce David Prowse (who appeared as Darth Vader in the film "Star Wars) as a special guest who will portray a mentally-deficient giant who comes in contact with the Children. While revealing that he auditioned for the lead role in the film "Superman", but ended up as star Chris Reeve's bodybuilder trainer, Prowse acknowledged that the serial is "toning down" the similarities to Guyana. 

"There are bound to be certain resemblances among groups like the Children," says Slesar, "but we're not trading in on anything except telling a story that originated many months ago." 

Edge won't be able to unravel its original story given the current events, and that's unfortunate.  It's an example that soaps don't always imitate life; the reverse is sometimes true. 

 

Thanks for this. I was only 7 in 79 and I vaguely remember it. I was sure I remembered Elliott being the cult leader, but was surprised when he didn't get arrested and ended up staying for a few yrs. I searched the web looking for info and this post is the most I've found lol

51 minutes ago, MichaelGL said:

Looking back, Guiding Light had a few well written ones...

Ed/Rita/Alan/Hope

Holly/Ross/Blake

Mindy/Roger/Alexandra 

...and also a few not so well written ones

Blake and Rick which resulted in the twins

Beth and Phillip sleeping together after their plane crash/avalanche 

Rick and Beth while Rick was married to Mel. 

 

Yes to the best. And Rick and Blake were raised as siblings which made it so wrong. Instead of her cheating with him because she thought Ross cheated with Amanda, she should have gone to him needing her big brother for comfort of a different kind. They also should've banded together to protect younger sister Michelle in regards to the Santos & drawn in Blake's husband and Ed's best friend Ross, and Holly as Blake's mother who became close to Michelle after Maureen died.

The problem I had with Rick and Beth is that most of it played off screen. They should've bonded believing Phillip had died with Mel learning about Rick and Beth's past, causing her to worry where their bond could be headed. Blake would've also been involved in this as Mel's mother was introduced as Blake's friend 

9 hours ago, RavenWhitney said:

Pam may not have "written" the post partum story. She may the meant that the story was foisted on her by the network or P&G. It may not have been the story she wanted to tell.  She may have executed someone else's pitch. Could have even been Curlee's pitch.

She said she was no longer with the show when Reva was written off, but she wrote her off and didn't leave for a few months after 

5 hours ago, TEdgeofNight said:

Pam Long has had a couple of WTF moments/interviews. Despite being credited as Pamela Long Hammer during her first headwriting stint on GL, she later claimed that she was never married to Jay Hammer. And during GL's final week on the air, she gave an interview where she said that she wasn't the one who wrote Reva's post partum depression story that lead to Reva driving off the bridge and Kim Zimmer exiting the show in the summer of 1990. Pam was credited as headwriter into early 1991. 

Someone posted in these pages years back that she and Jay never married. She became pregnant with their 1st child I believe when she was Texas' headwriter, and supposedly p&g didn't want it known that their headwriter was pregnant out of wedlock so they had her attach his name to her's so everyone would think they were married. 

And yes that radio interview still floors me. I remember in SOD she previewed the remote I think in the Florida Keys as it would be Reva's exit story. Reva was definitely her favorite character, how could she forget she had Reva drive her car off that bridge? 

16 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I think she was able to make him Jewish, but she wanted to make him  a major character and pair him with Harley. P&G  or whoever said no way.

From what I remember and I could be a bit off, but I think Harley started working for Mindy and she sent Harley to NY to meet with Matt, but she got stuck in a blizzard, so she stayed with Matt as he celebrated Hanukkah. I didn't hear about it being definite but I assumed they planned to pair the 2 as Robert Newman announced he was leaving so Josh and Harley were headed for a breakup 

Curlee/Demorest/Reilly served as a headwriting trio until Curlee went on maternity leave in 92, and was replaced by Lorraine Broderick. Curlee returned later that year around the time Reilly left to headwrite DOOL. Broderick left to write for AW sometime in 93, leaving Curlee and Demorest as a duo with Patrick Mulcahey and Nancy Williams Watts writing under them. Curlee and Demorest left in early 94. Although she didn't go there in her youtube interview, she did an interview after the show's cancelation was announced and she said she left because of interference from TPTB and because she was burnt out.

Mulcahey and Williams Watt became headwriters and Demorest returned some weeks or months later. Mulcahey left and at some point Millie Taggart, Leah Laiman and possibly Peggy Sloane wrote in some of the HW tandems which is confusing because all this happened in 94 alone. I know at the end of the year SOD said that Demorest and Taggart were let go, and Douglass Anderson and Williams Watt were named interim HW's but then became official until Anderson was fired and replaced with Megan McTavish in 95. I so wish the actors/ actresses and staff writers were interviewed about this period and the constant writing upheavals in the mid to late 80's. Curlee and Demorest were there in the 80's, 1 of them brought it up in their youtube interview and of course Alan interrupted and that was the end of that. And as a viewer of both these periods, yes it showed on screen 

On 10/20/2022 at 11:22 PM, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Oh boy! This was a good episode. 

 

Holly/Roger/Mindy/Alex/Fletcher/Chelsea--boy that is some love sexagon. 

 

I did not know that they were teasing Fletcher/Chelsea. Did it go any further? If it did, I am interested to see how Maureen reacts as Fletcher carried a torch for her for the longest. 

 

Roger and Holly... my forbidden fruit. My favorite soap couple that didn't get the ending they deserved. So chaotic and self-destructive individually and together. When Roger uttered the breakdown of their relationship, "She loved me once and it's a thin line (between love and hate)..." it sent chills down my spine. I watch these 2 go on and on. 

 

Poor Billy. I do love that Ed was used to provide counsel with his alcoholism. 

I don't think Fletcher/Chelsea went far. Kassie was dropped to recurring, and then Chelsea left in the beginning of 1991. I think Jackson Freemont came back and her exit involved her singing career 

RIP Ann. We are losing our legends left and right, but the older we get, the more we'll keep losing them. It causes me to think about the soap world, shows I watched and didn't, those gone before I was born, actors, actresses, behind the scenes writers/ producers/etc, characters and stories. I'm so happy to have been introduced to soaps and throw myself into this world. I'm sad when they pass, but so happy that I got to know them and their work.

20 hours ago, Spoon said:

Interesting how Ross/Justin and Mike/Ed were both lawyer/Doctor siblings.  Ross and his BFF relationship basically filled the void of Mike.  Too bad Mike didn't have a meatier return in 1997.  I guess Don Stewart was difficult to work with, but still... 

After Peter Simon left would've been a great time for Mike to return, especially with his niece married to the mob.  It would've been a great, additional angle to the Santos era.

Strange that they brought in Robert Gentry back as Ed and basically treated him as a dayplayer.  They probably didn't bother to ask the more popular Mart Hulswit.

Didn't Michelle stand trial for murder at one point? I always thought Mike would be there as her lawyer, and a suitable explanation should have been made of Ed not being there because he never would've abandoned his family. Of course tptb didn't care about the Bauers, and because of age discrimination. Josh and Reva were the few over a certain age guaranteed to get stories 

1 hour ago, Fevuh said:

It might be in this thread or somewhere else, but I've read it's not that they wiped them or disposed of them.  I have read in multiple places that almost nothing is left from the 60's and 70's because they TAPED over them.  They didn't just keep taping on new tapes....they would actually re-use tapes from about 5 to 10 years previous rotating them, just because of 'unnecessary' expense of constantly new tapes.  Crazy, but that could be true.  The only thing that makes it seem possibly NOT true is just honest to goodness reasoning - OR the fact that every now and then especially on P&G shows, we would see flashbacks or moments from a decade or more ago.  Not often but some.  And sometimes it could be an obscure scene that you would think - now why would they have saved that little scene?  Which makes me lean toward someone somewhere has ALL of them given they used to do flashbacks.  Or, in the case of Guiding Light (don't know if they did for World Turns), but GL had a series of tapes of 'best of' Reva Shayne moments, and I think there was one for Roger too.  I don't own any of those and so I don't know what is on them....were they whole episodes or just a snippet tape with narration of each piece.  But GL HAD to have had a decent history saved to have made some of those types of series tapes.  

I've seen the Roger 1 a few times on YouTube. It's Michael Zaslow and Maureen Garrett talking about Roger & Holly and clips are shown. I remember when the tape was announced, they asked viewers to send in episodes they might have. Unfortunately, Roger arrived in 1971, & the earliest clip is from 1976, in which Roger tells Peggy he's Christina's father, and the clip abruptly ends in the middle of Peggy's response. No clip of Lynn Deerfield, the original Holly he cheated with and whom gave birth to Christina aka Blake, and made the decision to lie to Ed, as she passed Blake off as Ed's daughter. No clips of him marrying Peggy, then Holly, no mention or clips of when he raped Rita, and no clips of the ground breaking trial when he was prosecuted for raping wife Holly, and then Rita's revealing that he had raped her too. 

In 1987 when GL turned 50, for 1 week, at the end of each episode, current or former cast members introduced an iconic moment from the show's history. On the last day Ed Bryce (Bill) paid tribute to Charita Bauer (Bert). There was a clip that had to be from 1966 where Bert told off Ed for disrespecting his father. That brief scene was epic! There are great eps on YouTube from 1966 dealing with the fallout of Bill cheating on Bert and falling off the wagon. I can not find the episode with this scene. But someone from the show in 87 had to dig that scene from a tape from somewhere. There was also a clip from 77 when Bert sees Bill for the first time after finding out he's alive. The whole episode hasn't surfaced that I know of, but someone knew the episode existed and where to find it. I truly believe most eps b4 1979 no longer exist, but more survived than we know 

I'm watching Wagon Train right now and only recently realized Robert Horton, who was on this show for a few seasons, played Whit McColl. He's like Mr. Cool on this show

21 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'll just say I have a hard time believing P&G went out of their way to wipe everything. This isn't the '60s or the '70s, and the needs and time expenditure are different. Someone has an archive somewhere, and whatever the actual company doesn't have left there's always more among random affiliates, private collectors, performers, personnel, etc. I just can't buy that in this day and age. Not because I think they care about the soaps - they don't - but it just seems like there's too many ways in this day and age that this stuff could slip through the cracks and survive.

I've wondered about this the last few days. They would've had to task people to go to every place they store remaining episodes of every soap opera they produced and have them wipe everything. Toss them all out, maybe but wipe everything I just don't know. And unless someone from P&G confirms or denies, we really wouldn't know. And I don't think they'll ever bother to say anything 

5 hours ago, adrnyc said:

I'm going to put this here (bad news - please don't shoot the messenger) because I'm--obviously from my avatar--a huge ATWT fan. But I was a fan of many the P&G soaps. I figure from here it can spread around the board.

I just got off a Zoom call with Trent Dawson and Colleen Zenk - I donated to Trent's theater company to get the call - and Colleen gave me the most disheartening, gut-wrenching news. P&G wiped EVERYTHING. Once Roger Newcomb, who had been hired to digitize and get all of those DVDs out in...what? 2012? 2013?...anyway, once that went south and P&G took the rights back, they destroyed every tape/digital copy of all of their programming. They wanted nothing to do with those soap operas ever again.

So unfortunately--but at least now fans can stop wondering why--they will never see the light of day. They're gone. Colleen and I both talked about what an absolute loss and waste that is for television history. I'm still sitting here mindblown. So what we've got on YouTube is all we've got and will ever have. Cherish it!

So sad if true

6 hours ago, RavenWhitney said:

This is around the time P&G was gearing up to bring in Jim Reilly (by Xmas) and Pam quit to take maternity leave; she was out of steam.

She left for maternity leave in 1986. We never got the whole story behind her last departure. SOD said she clashed with tptb over creative control and P&G said her departure was a mutual decision. SOW said she was fired over ratings. To me she didn't lose steam, the show clicked on all cylinders so her departure worried me. Thankfully Curlee's team took the show to another level 

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