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@DynamiteKiddo @Cat looking back in season 1, people now see that Vyle Kyle was always as such...and Kim, while dealing with addiction, was more on the mark than people thought. In fact, I think Kyle outed Kim in the limo as a way to victimize Kim and keep herself on top. Thankfully some fans knew the truth

RHONJ: Apparently Melissa vs Jackie, Jackie and Tre are friendly...Delores and Margie are besties. And supposedly Jackie is back full time. We shall see. RHOBH: Housewives is toxic and the vast majority of the fans are kinda toxic.

If limogate from season 1 didn't make Kyle quit..nothing will.

Perfect illustration of the difference between an ABC soap and an P & G soap.

Candiace will make mincemeat out of Leah, 'little girl', and Heather.

Seeing more of Winter #2, while she was a good actress...she played her scheming without any subtlety. I think had Winter #1 stayed on, the twist would have had more impact...because she played Winter as colder and more restrained.

EF was punished for speaking her mind at how the show was being handled. Goutman seemed to hold grudges...so much he vetoed Noelle Beck's suggestion to have Martha Bryne come back for the final episodes. Marland was at ATWT 7+ years...I think the longest he was head writer at a show. I think he should have left in 1989...and maybe gone over to AW

@Taoboi @Cat Rinna is a snob hence her attempt to shade Dubai. While Lesa and Aylan will drag her..in a situation like this, they need to take a page out of Stanburys playbook and be dismissive of Lips. And Aylan stans Kim Richard's so of course she'll make sure the drag is extra special.

RHUGT: Dorinda has done the impossible...made me feel bad for Tamra..and Jill to a lesser extent. She needs to stay on positive pause.

@VeeIt's interesting that you talk about how Val leaving him at the end of season 3/early season 4 started Gary's downward spiral. It underscores the dysfunctional bond that exists between the two. From watching Dallas and earlier seasons, Val is a pillar of strength.. and anytime she's fallen apart, Gary was unable to man up to be a pillar of strength for her. And it isn't an accident that during most of season 4, Val was more assured/stronger willed once she tossed Gary out. It's only in the last few episodes of season 4 and being back in his orbit does her more fragile tendencies come back out. As was hinted in 'Three Sisters' and explored in more detail in season 6, you'll see that Gary not being in Val's life doesn't cause her downward spiral... but losing her children is what causes her downward spiral.

Only time I liked Ayan was when she and her hubby were walking hand in hand remembering how they met..how her family didn't approve of him. She was being human and not that exhausting parasite she's portrayed elsewhere. I'm going to be honest and say the reason she and Stansbury don't click is because both of them are too much alike to appreciate the positives in one another. It's why both Nina and Sara are friendly with both because both of those women are less likely to want to be HBIC. Lesa was upset when she thought her husband was talking down to her..but he was giving her sound business advice. She tends to talk down to him. Her sons are adorable though. Caroline B is messy...but she does love her son and is ambitious about building a brand. This show is so interesting with the different backgrounds of all the women along with their family lives, that the petty dramas aren't needed.

I remember scenes of Nicole with Donna (faux and real Donna)...and I think she had interaction with Vicky..because Vicky lent something to Nicole..that made Cass realize she was the killer.

Marco is my dream boyfriend

eva and Phae Phae are the Greek chorus. Apparently Tamra was asked at the last minute because of Vicki having covid..but Vicki got cleared right before filming started. And she shades Dorinda's BSM and the Berkshires...lol

I actually think this fit Donna. She was made to not be with Michael, forced to have Marley raised as her sister instead of her daughter, and didn't know she had Victoria. Between 1983 to 1986, she had to admit Marley was her daughter, found out she had another daughter, had Michael come back, and then her long thought to be dead father comes back.... no wonder she flipped out. I always thought she was so cold and snobby in 1983 because she had love/happiness taken away from her so she became cold. And any maternal feelings she had for Marley had to be repressed. I think had Harding Lemay stayed in 1988, he would have delved into Donna/Marley's complicated relationship. Marley's whole world and identity had to have been shaken...and seeing how those 2 learned to see one another as mom/daughter would have been interesting...instead of the tired good/bad twin trope.

Dubai: Both Milan and Caroline are unlikable. RHUGT Brandi is displaying classic symptoms of an abuser. She lashes out, gas lights, and blames the other person. And shame on Eva and Phaedra enabling her.

Linda Thompson had an interesting life of her own. I always assumed her first claim to fame was being with Ms Jenner..but my mom said she was a Miss Tennessee, was in a LTR with Elvis, was on HeeHaw for years...all before she married Caitlyn. And two of her famous songs she co wrote with David Foster were 'I have Nothing' made famous by Whitney Houston...and 'Grownup Christmas List' made famous in the 90s by Amy grant. Back in the early seasons, people used to wonder why she wasn't a BH housewife... but maybe she didn't want to be catty perhaps.

All Marysol vs Nicole boils down to is that Marysol is jealous of Nicole. Nicole is younger, prettier and hasn't botched her face unlike that toxic Marysol. David Foster always was a thirsty one. I think the reason he stayed with Linda so long was because she was his writing partner. Common interest beyond just superficial.

I do think Sharon stepped it up when Chris Weathershead came on as Alicia. It had her play insecurity over not being good enough..and the two had good sparring scenes.

I think everyone hooking up in the inner circle might have been done to show how humans now equate sex with connection/intimacy. With everything being so wired for instant gratification, it would make sense that sex would be the go to for connection. Maybe this is a subtle commentary on how instant gratification and sex have replaced genuine connections...and why all of these characters seem so lost and unsatisfied.

According to an interview he gave in 2009, he was burned out and wanted out. He did say the show offered him a 1 year contract plus options for tv movies, but he was feeling the burnout. https://archive.triblive.com/news/ex-edge-of-night-soap-opera-star-craig-shines-at-pnc-park/ I'm going to say that Sky/Raven actually hurt the show since neither characters were involved in actual professions that were the hallmark of the show and they ate up airtime.

AMC seemed to have a great mix/balance between social issues and whimsy... it was almost a mirror of OLTL .. which also handled social issues.. but with a more gritty element. Llanview seemed like a bigger suburb.. which had different socio-economic and diverse inhabitants.. at least in the pre-Rauch years... while Pine Valley seemed like a smaller suburb/town that maintained a small town friendliness (which would explain why Chandler and Cortlandt were drawn to it... lower tax base and more exclusive/privacy then Llanview). Loving seemed to portray a college town realistically.. even when Alden U wasn't the focus, you could tell that the heart beat/economic engine was the University. I briefly lived in a college town in MS (Oxford, home of Ole Miss).. and it had the same vibe that I imagine Corinth had.

This is why trash should never be allowed a peach, or to sit at the big girl table.

Season 4 still had the Ingmar Bergman touch especially in Abby's Choice.

The only story I liked was the Noah/Julian relationship...that started as two guys becoming friends and falling for one another with organic obstacles.