20 minutes ago, bongobong said:

It still can, the show is only 2 months old! The show can improve (maybe it has already, like I said, I'm not watching) and get a buzz.

To be perfectly honest though, it might be tougher sell to have word of mouth trust if the social media commentary matched this board. Gaslighting is probably too strong a word... but reading the gushing comments from the first 2 weeks certainly didn't match what I was seeing on screen at all. I don't want to cast aspersions on any of the posters here - it's possible I'm in the minority opinion and they really did love the first 2 weeks that much - but I remember the Passions & Sunset Beach premiere opinions being MUCH more honest.

So, only out of sheer curiosity, You watched the launch & then quit but you're continuing to follow the ongoing fan commentary? 

55 minutes ago, j swift said:

And, second, we don't know the guarantee of ratings that CBS pre-sold for BTG.  We all know that commercial time is pre-sold based on a guaranteed base rate of the audience that is preferred by advertisers.  So, what we don't know is if BTG is underperforming on the guarantee.  Given, that CBS is very good at predicting ratings, I'm willing to bet that they are meeting the numbers that CBS promised when they sold the time.

It's for sure meeting, more likely exceeding its guarantees at the moment. No way CBS guaranteed more than 80% of Y&R's demos.

11 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

So, only out of sheer curiosity, You watched the launch & then quit but you're continuing to follow the ongoing fan commentary? 

I sampled for 2 weeks or so (saw the wedding etc.) and followed the comments closely to see what people were saying for maybe a month. Pretty much just interested in its ratings now.

21 minutes ago, bongobong said:

I sampled for 2 weeks or so (saw the wedding etc.) and followed the comments closely to see what people were saying for maybe a month. Pretty much just interested in its ratings now.

Thanks for replying. 

What do you watch? I do DAYS, GH and now BTG.

On 4/19/2025 at 5:31 AM, Planet Soap said:

It's baffling how Y&R and B&B remain in the top spots. Neither of these soaps have been good since 2013. Young is the most boring soap on television, and Bold is the most repeditive.

I've never understood this logic.  I don't mean to call out this poster, just using it as an example, but since when did popularity correlate with good content?

The Minecraft Movie has been number one for two weeks in a row.  Does that mean people with good taste are seeking out The Minecraft Movie?  Does that mean The Minecraft Movie has unique characters from a diverse background tackling today's adult issues?  Of course, not.

We are all fully aware that ratings are not a measure of either popularity or quality.  They measure the probability that the audience being advertised to is watching the show.  That's it.  Brawny Paper Towels doesn't care how many people are watching online, or talking about it on social media, or how many men above 50 are watching the show.  That's how advertisers choose to spend their money, and luckily, advertising dollars are only one revenue stream that a production can use to make money. 

So, ratings aren't meant to measure the entire audience, just those that advertisers want to buy paper towels. 

If we're concerned that BTG will get cancelled due to low ratings, that seems unlikely given that it is produced, in part, by one of its main ad buyers.  And, if you are concerned that BTG isn't being sampled by a certain audience, this data will not answer that query.

Edited April 21Apr 21 by j swift

7 hours ago, bongobong said:

Gaslighting is probably too strong a word... but reading the gushing comments from the first 2 weeks certainly didn't match what I was seeing on screen at all. I don't want to cast aspersions on any of the posters here - it's possible I'm in the minority opinion and they really did love the first 2 weeks that much - but I remember the Passions & Sunset Beach premiere opinions being MUCH more honest.

Maybe instead of having to lie to ourselves or gaslight anyone, some of us just disagreed with you. Not that we have to justify ourselves to anyone who already acknowledged they couldn't even finish the second episode of the first week, two months ago.

And frankly, the social media chatter and investment is much less critical of the show than any of us on this board.

Edited April 21Apr 21 by Vee

Just a heads up, y’all, there may be some interruptions and preemptions in the coming weeks 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/21/europe/pope-francis-dies-intl

13 hours ago, j swift said:

I've never understood this logic.  I don't mean to call out this poster, just using it as an example, but since when did popularity correlate with good content?

The Minecraft Movie has been number one for two weeks in a row.  Does that mean people with good taste are seeking out The Minecraft Movie?  Does that mean The Minecraft Movie has unique characters from a diverse background tackling today's adult issues?  Of course, not.

We are all fully aware that ratings are not a measure of either popularity or quality.  They measure the probability that the audience being advertised to is watching the show.  That's it.  Brawny Paper Towels doesn't care how many people are watching online, or talking about it on social media, or how many men above 50 are watching the show.  That's how advertisers choose to spend their money, and luckily, advertising dollars are only one revenue stream that a production can use to make money. 

So, ratings aren't meant to measure the entire audience, just those that advertisers want to buy paper towels. 

If we're concerned that BTG will get cancelled due to low ratings, that seems unlikely given that it is produced, in part, by one of its main ad buyers.  And, if you are concerned that BTG isn't being sampled by a certain audience, this data will not answer that query.

Respectfully, I stand by my opinion, and it makes sense. Yes ratings don't always directly correlate to quality but let's not pretend they aren't related. 

In other tv shows, like Greys Anatomy, Riverdale or Empire we have seen ratings drop off after periods of declining writing among other factors.

This holds up in soaps too. The decline in the genre is not just do to the shift in viewership habits and less stay at home moms -- many fans simply gave up as writing went to hell. 

So I think it's a fair question to ask why a soap where nothing happens or another soap that copy and pastes dialogue across episodes are still in the top spots. 

Edited April 21Apr 21 by Planet Soap

8 hours ago, Vee said:

Maybe instead of having to lie to ourselves or gaslight anyone, some of us just disagreed with you. Not that we have to justify ourselves to anyone who already acknowledged they couldn't even finish the second episode of the first week, two months ago.

And frankly, the social media chatter and investment is much less critical of the show than any of us on this board.

I literally said that in the post you quoted. I don't want to be combative, I was just giving my perspective why it might be harder to get back the sampler dropoffs.

Anyways, I'm glad the show is doing well, even if I don't care for it. Hopefully it encourages the big media companies to take more creative risks.

31 minutes ago, Planet Soap said:

Respectfully, I stand by my opinion, and it makes sense. Yes ratings don't always directly correlate to quality but let's not pretend they aren't related. 

 

I am def not pretending but in fact they do NOT necessarily relate.

 

31 minutes ago, Planet Soap said:

In other tv shows, like Greys Anatomy, Riverdale or Empire we have seen ratings drop off after periods of declining writing among other factors.

This holds up in soaps too. The decline in the genre is not just do to the shift in viewership habits and less stay at home moms -- many fans simply gave up as writing went to hell. 

Maybe, maybe not IT is far too subjective to imply any kind of causality. 

 

31 minutes ago, Planet Soap said:

So I think it's a fair question to ask why a soap where nothing happens or another soap that copy and pastes dialogue across episodes are still in the top spots. 

Various possible ideas spring to mind. 1st, habit.

On 4/18/2025 at 3:32 PM, DRW50 said:

Given today's climate and the demos of the soap viewers who are left, I do wonder if a number of them just will not watch a show with a focus on black characters. 

That is not me saying the show should change focus. It's good that we have a soap trying to appeal elsewhere and not doing so in a clunky manner like, say, Doctor Who. I just think many of the soap viewers around now will not want to watch. Hopefully they can find more who have moved away from soaps or are new to soaps. 

That's where I wish they had done a half hour show instead. A half hour show also would have cut down on the character clutter.

This is my thoughts! They see a successful black family at the center and automatically tune out. I can’t tell u how many racist comments I see on Twitter regarding the show .