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ALL: General Retro Soap Discussion

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Is there a thread for "cancelled syndicated daytime talk shows"? There's the ABC daytime thread, the NBC daytime thread, the CBS daytime thread ... but where to put syndication?

I'll put this here for now, referencing 1990s talk shows: Let me know if it belongs somewhere else?

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new June 2026 Sheri Anderson video interview
Sheri talks about working for/with Pat Falken Smith, and how, in those days, sometimes when there was a headwriter change,
there were writing teams/staffs that moved * together * from one soap to another.
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The TV Book, Sundoy, December 29, 1985

Soapdom had unremarkable year by Connie Passalacqua

Daytime soaps had an unremarkable year, at least when it came to major events: No new soaps premiered, but on the other hand, none were canceled, either. Throughout the year, bottom-rated "Search for Tomorrow" was rumored to be a sure goner at NBC, but even that show was recently given a reprieve (and a dynamic new producer, John Whitesell, ex-producer and director of "Guiding Light"). No new daytime soaps are scheduled to premiere in 1986, although ABC has two in development.

Many shows took major soap opera innovations of the last few years, "such as location shootings and lavish special events, and played them to the max. The November "royal wedding" on "Guiding Light" of spoiled princess Mindy Lewis (Krista Tesreau) and Kurt Corday (Mark Lewis) was done so elaborately and presented so much like a fairy tale that it could have made even Princess Diana envious. Daytime's most popular couple, Bo and Hope Brady (Peter Reckell and Kristian Alfonso of "Days of Our Lives"), were wed in May at an enormous cathedral in England, with all the pomp and circumstance befitting a royal couple. But the dignity of the day was unintentionally ruined when Bo burst into song at the altar. As he serenaded his wife, Reckell sounded like Alfalfa of "The Little Rascals."

Many shows literally broke the bank doing location settings. Perhaps the most beautiful of the year was the February excursion to Venice on "One Life to Live," followed closely by the November journey to the Grand Canyon on "Another World." The most effective, though, was the least glamorous - the February visit of "All My Children" to the Ossining Correctional Facility, featuring the ordeal of inmate Brooke Cudahy (Julia Barr),

The most improved show of the year was certainly "One Life to Live," which made a dramatic comeback both quality and ratings-wise in the hands of new executive producer Paul Rauch. The Niki-Vicki plot line, featuring the incomparable Erika Slezak, was certainly the best of the double character story lines that were done on seven shows this year. We can only pray for more original story lines in 1986.

Meanwhile, there's plenty of new talent to watch out for next year. Two performers especially to watch are Guy Davis (who plays Josh Hall on "One Life to Live"), the son of Ossie Davis and Ruby Dee; and Shawn Thompson (Simon of "Guiding Light"), a sassy Maxwell Caulfield lookalike.

Looking back those lavish weddings and location shoots did nothing for the ratings or long term follow through.

Kurt and Mindy were soon forgotten, OLTL in Venice had no consequences nor did AW Grand Canyon.

The money would have been better spent on better writing and story.

Connie was off with her predictions re Guy Davis and Shawn Thompson.

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4 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

But the dignity of the day was unintentionally ruined when Bo burst into song at the altar. As he serenaded his wife, Reckell sounded like Alfalfa of "The Little Rascals."

That made me spit out my drink!

4 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

The Niki-Vicki plot line, featuring the incomparable Erika Slezak, was certainly the best of the double character story lines that were done on seven shows this year. We can only pray for more original story lines in 1986.

Off the top of my head, I can name three, although I think we need some clarification about if it's one actor playing two characters, one character with two identities, or both: Viki/Niki (OLTL), Vicky/Marley (AW), and Tyrone/Robert (Y&R).

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52 minutes ago, Franko said:

Off the top of my head, I can name three, although I think we need some clarification about if it's one actor playing two characters, one character with two identities, or both: Viki/Niki (OLTL), Vicky/Marley (AW), and Tyrone/Robert (Y&R).

Keith/Jonathan on Loving and Adam/Stuart on AMC would be two others.

I can't remember how Guy Davis came across on OLTL but he never had a chance.

Shawn Thompson was OK but not suited to a leading man role on a soap and not that convoluted debut. If GL had tried to bring him in similar to Fletcher's role, comedic with a heart and unlucky in love, maybe, but they already had Fletcher.

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6 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Keith/Jonathan on Loving and Adam/Stuart on AMC would be two others.

Yes, of course. And No. 6 is Jack/Jerry (SB).

That just leaves RH, GH (Grant/Grant wrapped in 1984), ATWT (I don't think they started Frannie/Sabrina until 1986), CAP, GL, SFT, and DOOL to choose from.

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I don't know if I'm correctly understanding the assignment because I skimmed - but more from AMC: Janet/Natalie and Ava/Lily?

Didn't Eileen Davidson do like 4 characters at once on DAYS? Or were those impersonations? I can't remember.

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15 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

I don't know if I'm correctly understanding the assignment because I skimmed - but more from AMC: Janet/Natalie and Ava/Lily?

Didn't Eileen Davidson do like 4 characters at once on DAYS? Or were those impersonations? I can't remember.

This is just from 1985.

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4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

This is just from 1985.

OH - hahaha, my bad ) Disregard.

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11 hours ago, Franko said:

Yes, of course. And No. 6 is Jack/Jerry (SB).

That just leaves RH, GH (Grant/Grant wrapped in 1984), ATWT (I don't think they started Frannie/Sabrina until 1986), CAP, GL, SFT, and DOOL to choose from.

And No. 7 is Jenny/Julie (CAP). Thank you, @Paul Raven.

So, of the seven "double character" storylines in 1985, five involved one actor playing two physically separate people, and two involved one actor playing a character with two identities.

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Fri Sept 1 1972

New Cycle For TV Soap Operas Expected By Cecil Smith

Last year or so, CBS dominated the daytime TV ratings with its soap operas. Now it's drowning in its own suds. Gloria Monty says the field is oversaturated. She believes a new suds cycle is inevitable and she doubts it will ever go back to the old form again. "The transition," she said, "will be from daytime serials to daytime serialization." She explained: "Serialization is what I grew up on in stories in The Saturday Evening Post. It's what "The Forsyte Saga' is. Stories with a beginning, a middle and an end. The serial as we know it in daytime television has none of these—it just goes on eternally." She should know.

Gloria is to daytime television what, say, Antoinette Perry for whom the Tony Awards were named) was to the theater. That's an idea. Maybe there should be awards for daytime TV called the Montys. She's one of the very few women in any branch of show business who, like the late Miss Perry, functioned successfully over a period of years as a director. First Director Gloria directed the first soap opera—or daytime serial—ever to be on television, The First 100 Years, with Jimmy Lydon and Anne Sargent in 1950. For nearly 16 years, she guided the troubled barometer of Secret Storm with Haila Stoddard. She first came here from New York to launch the articulate Bright Promise, which may have been a bit too bright for the audience.

She's here again to launch another of ABC's experiments in new ways to go in daytime television. This is again a 90 minute taped "movie," a legal melodrama this time called Courtroom One. Like the recent Honeymoon Suite, which lit no fires, this is another effort from Doug Cramer's unit at Screen Gems. It's rather like a woman's version of The Defenders. The lawyers are male, a father-son team played by James Craig and Stephen Young. But the judge is a woman: Marjorie Lord. And the case is one with a strong female appeal, "Mother Against Mother" by Richard DeRoy, a child custody'trial,In the guest cast are Don Galloway, Rosemary Prinz and Robin Strasser, all of whom worked with Gloria Monty on soap operas, plus John Conte, the host of the best daytime show in TV history, Matinee Theater.

Six-Week Drama

"As the structure for a series," said Gloria, "the lawyers and judge would be continuing characters, but each case would be a new drama with a new cast to run in daily half-hour episodes for five or six weeks—beginning, middle and end. "You could tell much stronger stories, knowing they would not have to stretch beyond their normal limitations. You could get better casts—many fine actors who wouldn't tie themselves up for an eternal serial would work in a six-week drama."

Gloria Monty was born Montemuro (in Union City, N.J.), but halved her name; she studied drama at the University of Iowa a few years after Tennessee Williams drifted through. Her first love was, and is, the stage—live TV in the days of the early soaps was a reasonable facsimile. As in the case of Bright Promise, she is here to launch Courtroom One, after which she'll return to New York where her husband Tom O'Byrne heads the state travel bureau. There's a steady flow of network propaganda that large male audiences watch General Hospital and other soaps, this Miss Monty dismisses as poppycock—"The audience is women. Stories must be close to a woman's heart." Such as? Gloria shrugged. "The best woman's story I know is John O'Hara's 'Appointment in Samarra.' That could have been created for daytime serialization, it is perfect. Another is "Pygmalion.' "l remember we tried a variation of 'Pygmalion' within the format of Secret Storm. John Colicos played it. He was wonderful and the audience loved it.

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