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1 minute ago, Vee said:

I don't think we can apply that to young and hungry scriptwriters though. We don't know a lot about their output these days. I think you see that kind of attitude much more commonly in folks like Chuck Pratt who made it in primetime then came back to try to upend the daytime soaps they work on and 'disrupt' the paradigm, or society dilettantes like Maria Bell who have only a tenuous connection to the show.

I think a lot of people come into daytime and say "Hey, they did this in primetime so let's do it in daytime," and that backfires. It just sets things back and does not come off as effective. And that is attributed to many factors, two of which are money and time. They want to write for plot and not character; daytime is all about character, which I don't feel primetime is necessarily about. Especially in today's world of Netflix and streaming. You have eight to twelve episodes to produce per season. Daytime is over 200 episodes. It's an entirely different animal altogether.

3 minutes ago, Vee said:

Others are a mixed bag or a matter of opinion. Sheffer was very arrogant and his changes to ATWT were vast and perhaps ruinous depending on who you ask, but he and his team also delivered viewers and critical heat early on in his ATWT run, before his talent atrophied and he bombed out in the latter years and especially at DAYS, Y&R etc. I enjoyed a lot of his early ATWT work but with a better sense of history I also can't argue with many of the complaints about it - those criticisms are very true and real. And there's of course a lot of fans (and many actors) who resented the changes Linda Gottlieb and Michael Malone brought to OLTL and Gottlieb's attitude about their show. I don't agree with those but I understand them.

Hogan Sheffer, from my point of view, did some good work until he didn't, and it showed in the finished product. And it baffles me he was at The Young and the Restless, because his work was unrecognizable to me. And I don't know much about One Life to Live, but I do recall an interview Erika Slezak did where she didn't think Linda Gottlieb was necessarily right for the show. To quote: ❝ Who was a filmproducer and who was going to revolutionize daytime, which she did not do in two years. And she changed certain things. I suppose I can say what I feel: I don't think she was terribly good for the show. ❞

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Just now, Liberty City said:

I do recall an interview Erika Slezak did where she didn't think Linda Gottlieb was necessarily right for the show. To quote: ❝ Who was a filmproducer and who was going to revolutionize daytime, which she did not do in two years. And she changed certain things. I suppose I can say what I feel: I don't think she was terribly good for the show. ❞

Yes, that's some of what I was referring to. I think Erika is completely wrong, but she's entitled to her opinion. Gottlieb and Malone changed that show (and a lot about ABC Daytime's production style) forever.

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2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yes, that's some of what I was referring to. I think Erika is completely wrong, but she's entitled to her opinion. Gottlieb and Malone changed that show (and a lot about ABC Daytime's production style) forever.

I'll have to look more into both of their tenures. Again, wasn't a One Life fan, so I'm not entirely familiar. Plus, I know she was a big fan of Jill Farren Phelps whom I know a lot are not fans of, haha.

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4 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

I'll have to look more into both of their tenures. Again, wasn't a One Life fan, so I'm not entirely familiar. Plus, I know she was a big fan of Jill Farren Phelps whom I know a lot are not fans of, haha.

Both Jill and Linda Gottlieb featured Erika heavily including new love stories, but Gottlieb was a very big, brash personality making a huge amount of changes very fast (and not without difficulty or mistakes). Yet at the same time Erika has always gushed with praise for the material given to her by Gottlieb's HW, Michael Malone. It's complicated. Jill's tenure was ruinous for the show but more to Erika's tastes as she again got a vital new romance with a partner she adored. It happens. I don't fault Erika (or several other actors at the show, not counting James DePaiva who threw a chair at Gottlieb) for feeling how she feels even if I disagree.

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15 minutes ago, Lye-C said:

Soaps aren’t a genre. They’re a medium.

Maybe they are both then because they are definitely a genre. 

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2 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Shocked Oh My Gosh GIF by Mashed

I'm sorry... he did what?

Far from the first or last! To bring it vaguely back on topic: Tony Geary did that or more to Richard Culliton here at GH in 1997, and may or may not have thrown shít around with EP Wendy Riche, I can't remember.

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11 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Maybe they are both then because they are definitely a genre. 

Horror is a genre, noir is a genre, romance is a genre. Soaps are not a genre. 

Does anyone know how to pronounce Mulcahey? I’ve been pronouncing it “Mull-KA-hey”. 

4 minutes ago, Lye-C said:

Horror is a genre, noir is a genre, romance is a genre. Soaps are not a genre. 

Does anyone know how to pronounce Mulcahey? I’ve been pronouncing it “Mull-KA-hey”. 

Mull-KAY-HEE not hey

7 minutes ago, Lye-C said:

Horror is a genre, noir is a genre, romance is a genre. Soaps are not a genre. 

Crap. Just looked up DAYS on both Justwatch & on imdb & both say genre is drama, do not say soap. 

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13 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Mull-KAY-HEE not hey

Crap. Just looked up DAYS on both Justwatch & on imdb & both say genre is drama, do not say soap. 

Thank you for the pronunciation! 

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Grain of salt, but there's a rumor the story that got O'Connor & VanEtten fired was Jason/Burton's return, I guess it was that bad lol yikes if true lol

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That rumor is floating around and who knows? But I know I don't believe the rumor about their story's alleged content, which claimed they were resurrecting Susan Moore. That sounds like pure fanfic to me.

3 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

Grain of salt, but there's a rumor the story that got O'Connor & VanEtten fired was Jason/Burton's return, I guess it was that bad lol yikes if true lol

🤔🙋🔮😉🤞🤣🤣🤣🤣About that "rumor", one of the things that was said was that we dodged a bullet. 

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7 minutes ago, Vee said:

That rumor is floating around and who knows? But I know I don't believe the rumor about their story's alleged content, which claimed they were resurrecting Susan Moore. That sounds like pure fanfic to me.

OMG yes I thought so too when I read it. That's even far fetched for GH.

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