4 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

Even Eric and Nicole are getting boring with their story.

I'm always surprised by the popularity of Eric and Nicole.

They've built appeal over time but they were pretty hated in '98. It wasn't til Nicole dumped Eric for money that fans fell in love with her.

Eric floundered and was written out but when they brought him back (with Greg Vaughan) years later they wrote it like Eric and Nicole were some great romance and suddenly people loved them.

I'm still trying to figure it out.

Edited February 15, 20232 yr by KLN

I love them!

 

5 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I love them!

 

And, a shout-out to Richard Bloore, Costume Designer, for putting Ari into that phenomenal dress!

12 minutes ago, KLN said:

I'm always surprised by the popularity of Eric and Nicole.

They've built appeal over time but they were hated in '98. So boring on the heels of Reilly 1.0. It wasn't til Nicole dumped Eric for money and social status that she became interesting and fans fell in love with her.

Eric floundered with Greta and was written out but when they brought him back (with Greg Vaughan) years later they wrote it like Eric and Nicole were some great romance and suddenly people loved them.

I'm still trying to figure it out.

I think a huge part of it had to do with Nicole's standing at the time. They'd brought her back as a vixen-type, paired her with EJ (which was a popular pairing, but EJami was clearly the focal pairing there), and built this narrative about her desire to be a mother and essentially losing three children: the baby she miscarried, Sydney once the switch came out, and Daniel Rafael (BLEH) when she fell down the stairs. So there was a ton of rooting value, and she was primed for a redemption arc. GV's Eric showed up and felt like a handsome, decent man who was actually brought on *for* Nicole, but his standing as a priest and her self-destructive tendencies were their obstacles. It was a great setup, so I think it was more what Eric *represented* for Nicole than some actual great love for the past. She essentially had a chance, after 15 years of f*ck-ups, to reclaim the Good Thing that she'd tossed away for five million dollars a decade and a half prior.

The writing and comings-and-goings since obviously haven't landed all that potential nearly as well as it could have been handled, but I totally get where and how the myth of it all took root.

1 hour ago, janea4old said:

I love them!

 

I like them a lot more with Greg and Ari. Ari's become a great actress too.

I think I prefer EJ/Nicole though.

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6 minutes ago, Michael said:

It was a great setup, so I think it was more what Eric *represented* for Nicole than some actual great love for the past. She essentially had a chance, after 15 years of f*ck-ups, to reclaim the Good Thing that she'd tossed away for five million dollars a decade and a half prior.

The writing and comings-and-goings since obviously haven't landed all that potential nearly as well as it could have been handled, but I totally get where and how the myth of it all took root.

I just godawful love them!! Whose child is Holly? 

1 minute ago, Tonksadora said:

I just godawful love them!! Whose child is Holly? 

Biologically she is Nicole's daughter with Daniel, but Chloe carried Holly to term after Daniel's passing. 

2 hours ago, Michael said:

I think a huge part of it had to do with Nicole's standing at the time. They'd brought her back as a vixen-type, paired her with EJ (which was a popular pairing, but EJami was clearly the focal pairing there), and built this narrative about her desire to be a mother and essentially losing three children: the baby she miscarried, Sydney once the switch came out, and Daniel Rafael (BLEH) when she fell down the stairs. So there was a ton of rooting value, and she was primed for a redemption arc. GV's Eric showed up and felt like a handsome, decent man who was actually brought on *for* Nicole, but his standing as a priest and her self-destructive tendencies were their obstacles. It was a great setup, so I think it was more what Eric *represented* for Nicole than some actual great love for the past. She essentially had a chance, after 15 years of f*ck-ups, to reclaim the Good Thing that she'd tossed away for five million dollars a decade and a half prior.

The writing and comings-and-goings since obviously haven't landed all that potential nearly as well as it could have been handled, but I totally get where and how the myth of it all took root.

That makes sense.

Usually when they bring someone on for someone it backfires as fans don't like being told who to like. Interesting in this case it didn't since they weren't popular the first go 'round.

They've built appeal over time. I'm just surprised they're SUCH a draw after how things started for them.

Re: the part in bold that's why I didn't like Nicole judging Kristen the way she did before Kristen personally wronged her.

If you can't bond over traumatic miscarriages and passing stolen babies off as your own what CAN you bond over? 😄

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19 minutes ago, Michael said:

GV's Eric showed up and felt like a handsome, decent man who was actually brought on *for* Nicole, but his standing as a priest and her self-destructive tendencies were their obstacles. It was a great setup, so I think it was more what Eric *represented* for Nicole than some actual great love for the past. She essentially had a chance, after 15 years of f*ck-ups, to reclaim the Good Thing that she'd tossed away for five million dollars a decade and a half prior.

The writing and comings-and-goings since obviously haven't landed all that potential nearly as well as it could have been handled, but I totally get where and how the myth of it all took root.

This is it. Eric and Nicole in their original iteration sucked, but the older and wiser version has always had appeal for me. It's the show and the writing that ruins those promising opportunities or runs them into the ground (as Nicole has been once again, not for her first time).

15 minutes ago, Michael said:

Biologically she is Nicole's daughter with Daniel, but Chloe carried Holly to term after Daniel's passing. 

Thank you. So, now, with people wanting Eric & Nicole to have Marlena grief sex & come out of it with a miracle baby, they mean that she would carry to term? Or just that they'd conceive? 

56 minutes ago, KLN said:

I like them a lot more with Greg and Ari. Ari's become a great actress too. I think I prefer EJ/Nicole though.

I'm not too familiar with their history as a newer viewer. I was never a Nicole fan but her acting has improved. I wasn't a fan of GV on GH but you can tell he's enjoying the material he's been given. The writing for them has been good. But now everything has just become repetitive. There has been no movement in their story. It's gotten stale. How many times does Eric have to sleep with lawyer by day and hooker by night because he gets upset seeing Nicole with someone else?

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36 minutes ago, Tonksadora said:

Thank you. So, now, with people wanting Eric & Nicole to have Marlena grief sex & come out of it with a miracle baby, they mean that she would carry to term? Or just that they'd conceive? 

I'm assuming fans want to give them a biological kid. Much crazier stuff than that has happened on Days, but it's a tough sell that pushing-50 Nicole, who could not carry a baby to term in 2008 or 2012, would somehow be able to do so now. 

4 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

 

@AbcNbc247  As for Tripp getting some lovin...how about with Mr Bobblehead?

That would be fun to see 😍😂😂

But at this point, anyone would do lol all this talk of Eric and Nicole, how about Sloan? 😂😂

She could start to develop feelings for Eric, but then overhears him say that he still loves Nicole, so she has a one night stand with Tripp. And you could also weave Wendy/Johnny/Chanel into that storyline too 

1 hour ago, Michael said:

I think a huge part of it had to do with Nicole's standing at the time. They'd brought her back as a vixen-type, paired her with EJ (which was a popular pairing, but EJami was clearly the focal pairing there), and built this narrative about her desire to be a mother and essentially losing three children: the baby she miscarried, Sydney once the switch came out, and Daniel Rafael (BLEH) when she fell down the stairs. So there was a ton of rooting value, and she was primed for a redemption arc. GV's Eric showed up and felt like a handsome, decent man who was actually brought on *for* Nicole, but his standing as a priest and her self-destructive tendencies were their obstacles. It was a great setup, so I think it was more what Eric *represented* for Nicole than some actual great love for the past. She essentially had a chance, after 15 years of f*ck-ups, to reclaim the Good Thing that she'd tossed away for five million dollars a decade and a half prior.

The writing and comings-and-goings since obviously haven't landed all that potential nearly as well as it could have been handled, but I totally get where and how the myth of it all took root.

Agreed.

And despite the current writing, Eric and Nicole’s storyline is still realIstic for the most part and that’s what makes it so good, IMO

30 minutes ago, Michael said:

but it's a tough sell that pushing-50 Nicole, who could not carry a baby to term in 2008 or 2012, would somehow be able to do so now. 

Oh, yeah, but the show spent all that time introducing the idea & then reinforcing it like crazy, that Eric had ALWAYS wanted a child of his own. Thnx again

Sloan and Tripp would be dirty.😂. 

Sloan to Tripp: I see you don't know much about sex.

Tripp: You can teach me.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

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