Guiding Light Killed The Bauers

Young and The Restless let The Fosters and Brooks disappear

Days of Our Lives Had The Hortons but they nearly disappeared, The Andersons The Same

So Let's discuss how soaps commit suicide by Losing their own base losing they're core families

 

 

That AWHP article debunks some myths about the creation of AW but ironically at the end states

Fred Silverman, now ABC's president, hired Gloria Monty and gave her 13 weeks to turn things around or he would cancel GH. Monty came on board, hired Anthony Geary as Luke Spencer, and paired him with Genie Francis's Laura.

Reading that you would think that Luke arrived  in that 13 week period in early 78 and caused a rise in the ratings, when in fact it was Scotty/Laura and other stories that revived GH. Luke didn't arrive until 79.

Edited July 1, 20223 yr by Paul Raven

6 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Fred Silverman, now ABC's president, hired Gloria Monty and gave her 13 weeks to turn things around or he would cancel GH. Monty came on board, hired Anthony Geary as Luke Spencer, and paired him with Genie Francis's Laura.

Reading that you would think that Luke arrived  in that 13 week period in early 78 and caused a rise in the ratings, when in fact it was Scotty/Laura and other stories that revived GH. Luke didn't arrive until 79.

true enough,  but the point was that the fact that aw trouncing gh in the ratings was what they call in film ‘the inciting event.’  

Edited July 1, 20223 yr by wonderwoman1951

Unpopular Opinion: I don't like when soaps become too family oriented. It just becomes very incestuous at times. That's why I love characters like Nicole. She can be a romantic wildcard because she's not related to everyone. I remember around 2005 the Brady's were dating in to he family, solely based on the fact that there were no characters in that group to mix it up with.

6 minutes ago, SteelCity said:

I don't like when soaps become too family oriented. It just becomes very incestuous at times.

That's certainly been a creative road block at Y&R

25 minutes ago, SteelCity said:

Unpopular Opinion: I don't like when soaps become too family oriented. It just becomes very incestuous at times. That's why I love characters like Nicole. She can be a romantic wildcard because she's not related to everyone. I remember around 2005 the Brady's were dating in to he family, solely based on the fact that there were no characters in that group to mix it up with.

The Bold and the Beautiful built their series on their two families and dug into this concept until recently. These incestuous connections were among the main reasons why I could never fully get into that show. It was so extreme.

52 minutes ago, j swift said:

That's certainly been a creative road block at Y&R

Exactly, they also have the issue that a lot of keeping all the Black characters in one bubble. It limits them, when they just play Winters Roulette.

Bold and the Beautiful is one of the WORST when it comes to this.

Edited July 1, 20223 yr by SteelCity

2 hours ago, SteelCity said:

Unpopular Opinion: I don't like when soaps become too family oriented. It just becomes very incestuous at times. That's why I love characters like Nicole. She can be a romantic wildcard because she's not related to everyone. I remember around 2005 the Brady's were dating in to he family, solely based on the fact that there were no characters in that group to mix it up with.

Nicole who? What Bradys? What show?

12 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

That AWHP article debunks some myths about the creation of AW but ironically at the end states

Fred Silverman, now ABC's president, hired Gloria Monty and gave her 13 weeks to turn things around or he would cancel GH. Monty came on board, hired Anthony Geary as Luke Spencer, and paired him with Genie Francis's Laura.

Reading that you would think that Luke arrived  in that 13 week period in early 78 and caused a rise in the ratings, when in fact it was Scotty/Laura and other stories that revived GH. Luke didn't arrive until 79.

Whoa, that is seriously screwed up. You're right. The first thing that happened is that Monty threw out a whole week of tape & started up one week back in time. Doug Marland's writing was what was the first saving element. Monty inserted story references into the show from B movie classics. She picked up the pace & made changes in editing, etc. The Ice Princess (sf/f) & L&L on the run both came later.

4 hours ago, SteelCity said:

Exactly, they also have the issue that a lot of keeping all the Black characters in one bubble. It limits them, when they just play Winters Roulette.

Bold and the Beautiful is one of the WORST when it comes to this.

Nathan, Olivia, Neil, Dru and Malcolm were the last generation to really mix things up freely with the other characters outside of their group dynamic. Before that, while you didn’t have very many Black characters, those who were on the canvas like Amy Lewis and her father Detective Frank Lewis, who mainly interacted with the Williams and Abbott families, Nathan and Phil Morris, who wasn’t given the best of storylines.👀 But I think after Victoria  Rowell, Tonya Lee Williams and Shemar Moore left, there was little to no effort to have the Winters really having storylines that branched out of their bubble. Even with Lily, other than romantic relationships there seemed to be minimal engagement in storylines outside of the Winters bubble. 

On 7/1/2022 at 1:16 PM, Tonksadora said:

Nicole who? What Bradys? What show?

Whoa, that is seriously screwed up. You're right. The first thing that happened is that Monty threw out a whole week of tape & started up one week back in time. Doug Marland's writing was what was the first saving element. Monty inserted story references into the show from B movie classics. She picked up the pace & made changes in editing, etc. The Ice Princess (sf/f) & L&L on the run both came later.

I guess that was vague. I was referring to DAYS.

1 hour ago, SteelCity said:

I guess that was vague. I was referring to DAYS.

I thought maybe those Bradys but AW had Nicole Love so i just thought better to ask. Currently I wish Nicole were getting back with Eric. And, Salem is certainly populated with people who are related to each other! Of course, in the last several years of GL the second most popular couple, "JAmmy," were cousins so they were also a highly controversial couple.

On 7/1/2022 at 6:01 PM, Paul Raven said:

That AWHP article debunks some myths about the creation of AW but ironically at the end states

Fred Silverman, now ABC's president, hired Gloria Monty and gave her 13 weeks to turn things around or he would cancel GH. Monty came on board, hired Anthony Geary as Luke Spencer, and paired him with Genie Francis's Laura.

Reading that you would think that Luke arrived  in that 13 week period in early 78 and caused a rise in the ratings, when in fact it was Scotty/Laura and other stories that revived GH. Luke didn't arrive until 79.

Luke actually arrived in November 1978 but other than that your point still stands. He arrived nearly a year after Monty and didn't become a lead until the fall of 79.

3 hours ago, Dion said:

Luke actually arrived in November 1978 but other than that your point still stands. He arrived nearly a year after Monty and didn't become a lead until the fall of 79.

Thanks for the correction. Don't want to be guilty of the very thing I am objecting to !

On 7/3/2022 at 7:38 PM, Paul Raven said:

On 7/3/2022 at 3:42 PM, Dion said:

Luke actually arrived in November 1978 but other than that your point still stands. He arrived nearly a year after Monty and didn't become a lead until the fall of 79.

Thanks for the correction. Don't want to be guilty of the very thing I am objecting to !

be that as it may, the point being made is that what led to gloria monty, luke, laura, scotty was the fact that ‘general hospital’ was losing its time — badly, 8.6 vs 7— to ‘another world.’

Edited July 8, 20223 yr by wonderwoman1951
correct usage matters.

1 hour ago, wonderwoman1951 said:

be that as it may, the point being made is that would led to gloria monty, luke, laura, scotty was the fact that ‘general hospital’ was losing its time — badly — to ‘another world.’

Should we have a Grudge Match between Pete Lemay and Gloria Monty?

On 6/14/2022 at 2:50 PM, Broderick said:

I wouldn't call Bill Bell's decision to ditch the Brooks and Foster families "suicidal".   He was just ready to reinvent his show with some families who hadn't been recast a zillion times and married to each other a zillion times.  Once the dust settled, he found himself in a much better position than he'd been in previously.  (In fact, it's a shame the same thing hasn't been done again.)  

Agreed. A lot of soaps could benefit from this. Families do move away, it's so much they can do with letting entire families leave town. Bill Bell was a genius for that, regardless of his reasoning.

On 6/30/2022 at 6:55 PM, Paul Raven said:

Y&r had the opportunity to revive the past by making the Ashland character Brooks Prentiss.

Obviously the story points would have to differ but Brooks would have been the new dynamic businessman in town who romances Victoria.

Lorie and Leslie could make appearances and their history come into play. Lots of possibilities there.

I like this a lot! That's definitely something that would excite me. 

On 7/1/2022 at 10:30 AM, SteelCity said:

Unpopular Opinion: I don't like when soaps become too family oriented. It just becomes very incestuous at times. That's why I love characters like Nicole. She can be a romantic wildcard because she's not related to everyone. I remember around 2005 the Brady's were dating in to he family, solely based on the fact that there were no characters in that group to mix it up with.

We are >>><<< with this. I totally agree, the canvas should always remain a happy balance of core families and wanderers. Nicole is a great example btw!

On 7/1/2022 at 11:29 AM, SteelCity said:

Exactly, they also have the issue that a lot of keeping all the Black characters in one bubble. It limits them, when they just play Winters Roulette.

Bold and the Beautiful is one of the WORST when it comes to this.

True.