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On 2/12/2018 at 3:59 PM, Shawn said:

Love this show, but my favorite character ever was Abby. Maura Tierney played the HELL out of her, and was the MVP during her entire tenure, IMHO.

 

 

And Abby was what made me peace the hell out. But I did come back for S15. I HAAAAAAAAAAAATE Abby. Me, I loved the Original Six and watched the first 6 seasons faithfully. After that came the wreck of Luka/Abby/Carter. And, no thank you.

 

I did tune back in in S8 to see Susan's return. But the writers then never "got" her, and I drifted away again.

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Abby Lockhart sees all y'all's shade and...

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8 hours ago, Vee said:

killing Lucy Knight (though that two-parter is still incredible)

 

Perhaps one of THE most shocking moments of TV. Deserves to be rewatched.

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Vee said:

I kind of detached from the show once it became all about Abby, Luka or Carter's drug addiction or romantic foibles.

 

35 minutes ago, Wendy said:

After that came the wreck of Luka/Abby/Carter. And, no thank you.

 

I can see how the big focus on those three could rattle some, but I am loving it as I properly watch for the first time. I'm willing to follow where the show is going, provided they keep me entertained.

 

The show did become more soap opera by season 6 -- and therefore, more addictive and entertaining than ever. After 6 or 7 seasons, I think that's why they were able to keep interest going for several more years. The key is not to let the stunts become too much, which I will have to keep watching to find out.

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I just felt they could not remotely compare to Doug, Carol, etc. And I also felt manipulated by the forced pairing of Corday and Greene.


I remember that Lo-Fidelity All-Stars/Pigeonhed song in that famous scene with Lucy on the floor - I was very into British techno at the time and I geeked out when it played on the show.

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1 minute ago, Vee said:

I just felt they could not remotely compare to Doug, Carol, etc. And I also felt manipulated by the forced pairing of Corday and Greene.

 

Alas, you can "thank" Eriq LaSalle for Corday/Greene (in a roundabout way). While he says he had no trouble with Alex Kingston, he felt finally having a successful relationship with a white woman sent a bad message, hence their split and Cleo-Bot, Michael Michelle, coming on.

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Oh, I know it was him. I was being polite. I can't believe they couldn't have found a better love interest for him if they'd absolutely had to change things - they could've put him back with Jeanie Boulet. But I never got over the Corday thing.

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At least Benton/Corday had that nice alone scene in the finale. And I was even more impressed to see the show had snagged original Reese, Matthew Watkins, to come back as a tween.

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I didn't know until I checked Wikipedia that Jeanie's life sounded so miserable when she returned in the penultimate season. Separated from her husband, kid likely had full-blown AIDS, but still working hard for other AIDS patients. I guess that's something. Gloria Reuben left the show to be a backup singer for Tina Turner - she's acting a lot again today.

 

I never got the Weaver gay thing. It seemed like a weird direction to take a complicated, prickly character, like they thought 'other'ing her would explain her. And pairing her with a woman who soon dies horribly was a tired cliche even then. I fúcking loved Laura Innes. I hope she's still doing a lot.

 

ETA: Wow - she's directing a ton of TV.

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8 minutes ago, Vee said:

I just felt they could not remotely compare to Doug, Carol, etc.

 

I agree about Carol, but Doug? They tried to make him a tortured man but I never felt it took off. IT's like he was meant to be this very complicated man, but I would not care for him if not for Carol. Perhaps I need to rewatch.

 

7 minutes ago, Wendy said:

Alas, you can "thank" Eriq LaSalle for Corday/Greene (in a roundabout way). While he says he had no trouble with Alex Kingston, he felt finally having a successful relationship with a white woman sent a bad message, hence their split and Cleo-Bot, Michael Michelle, coming on.

 

6 minutes ago, Vee said:

Oh, I know it was him. I was being polite. I can't believe they couldn't have found a better love interest for him if they'd absolutely had to change things - they could've put him back with Jeanie Boulet. But I never got over the Corday thing.

 

Oooooooh! I did not know about this! It always struck me as weird that they ended Benton/Corday when it was really working and they had really good chemistry. And then Corday/Greene just... happened. The only reason I care for the couple is the actors.

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16 hours ago, YRBB said:

OK, but I don't know about Susan/Carter... 

 

I think - had they had better writing - they maybe could have worked. (I thought they had chemistry in Susan's early years.) But then, the writers were different, Abby was a factor, and they were admittedly a mess. For the record, it doesn't last long. But they remain friends.

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1 hour ago, dragonflies said:

I loved Lucy and adore Kellie Martin, I don't get why people say the character was a failure. 

 

 

I don't think she was on long enough to be considered a failure... I think the writers hinting at a Carter/Lucy pairing is what colors people to her character.  I know Kellie Martin had a family member sick, and she couldn't be on a medical show while that was going on so she asked to leave.  I figured she'd die.. but I was still surprised at how it came about.

 

In the earlier seasons, I would say Maria Bello's character D'amico (not sure if the right character name or not) was more of a failture then Kellie Martin's character.

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3 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 

I don't think she was on long enough to be considered a failure... I think the writers hinting at a Carter/Lucy pairing is what colors people to her character.  I know Kellie Martin had a family member sick, and she couldn't be on a medical show while that was going on so she asked to leave.  I figured she'd die.. but I was still surprised at how it came about.

 

In the earlier seasons, I would say Maria Bello's character D'amico (not sure if the right character name or not) was more of a failture then Kellie Martin's character.

 

I wouldn't say that she was a "failure," per se, but there was a fan backlash to Lucy, as she was heavily showcased early on and a lot of people found her irritating. 

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I know Martin talked about how she and the writers felt there was nowhere else to go with Lucy as a character, that it hadn't worked out. She was certainly seen as an annoying youth-oriented "Scrappy-Doo" type by the audience and critics when she first arrived, and in her second and final season was mostly irrelevant til she got killed off. But her death became a seminal moment.

 

Maria Bello quit on her own AFAIK, which is a shame because she was (and is) great. Same with Jorja Fox as Maggie Doyle.

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29 minutes ago, Wendy said:

 

I think - had they had better writing - they maybe could have worked. (I thought they had chemistry in Susan's early years.) But then, the writers were different, Abby was a factor, and they were admittedly a mess. For the record, it doesn't last long. But they remain friends.

 

That's good to know. I'm not seeing a lot of chemistry in the present and it feels a little forced. I'm glad they don't end up hating each other's guts.

7 minutes ago, Vee said:

I know Martin talked about how she and the writers felt there was nowhere else to go with Lucy as a character. She was certainly seen as an annoying youth-oriented "Scrappy-Doo" type by the audience and critics when she first arrived, and in her second and final season was mostly irrelevant til she got killed off. But her death became a seminal moment.

 

If I remember correctly from when I first watched, it did feel like she came on board and suddenly it was all about her all the time. An exaggeration, but considering she was a little annoying...

 

Considering I was mostly too young the first time around for this show, all this backstage reasons/info is very fascinating.

 

I agree that Lucy had run her course by the time she was stabbed.

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