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Dallas Discussion Thread

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Dallas went off the rails in the aftermath of Pamela disappearance. In the grand scheme of things, Victoria Principal was smart to walk away when she did. She clearly stacked her Dallas coins and then built her skincare brand.

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8 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Dallas went off the rails in the aftermath of Pamela disappearance. In the grand scheme of things, Victoria Principal was smart to walk away when she did.

If anything, I think she stayed a year or two too long. DALLAS was going off the rails way before The Shower Heard 'Round the World, lol.

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12 minutes ago, Khan said:

If anything, I think she stayed a year or two too long. DALLAS was going off the rails way before The Shower Heard 'Round the World, lol.

Yes, there was a ratings drop starting March 1985, but I think tanking started in the aftermath of Bobby car accident.

That March 1985 rating drop lead to Dallas losing #1 to Dynasty and we also saw Murder, She Wrote season 1 finale shock the world.

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3 minutes ago, kalbir said:

That March 1985 rating drop lead to Dallas losing #1 to Dynasty and we also saw Murder, She Wrote season 1 finale shock the world.

I'm probably wrong, but I feel like the storyline with Jenna and Naldo had not a little bit to do with DALLAS' ceding ground to DYNASTY.

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48 minutes ago, Khan said:

I've always believed that VP never cared for the "boys' club" mentality that permeated the DALLAS set and allowed Larry Hagman, in particular, more power than he should've had. VP just wanted to come in, do the work and then go home.

Exactly. Larry and Patrick would screw up scenes trying to be funny. Imagine as an actor in the middle of a scene and nailing it then they have to cut because of all that juvenile crap and having to reshoot and work long hours. Patrick Duffy became insufferable when he returned. He, Larry, and Katzaman returned to the "Boys Club" mentality and threw the women under the bus. I think Katzman got rid of Phil Capice and was given immunity to do whatever he wanted to do. He overrode David Jacobs when he told Katzman that Bobby's death as a dream was a stupid plot.

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I was going to lambaste Cidre for killing Pam until I saw that they had already given her a terminal illness near the end of the original show. What a stupid, pointless decision.

Given how dreary anything I saw of the Dallas revival was, I imagine even if Victoria had returned, Pam's return would have just been more of the same.

This is one of those occasions where I genuinely think cheesy fan films would have been better than the reboot.

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I think the bigger issue is that by the 2010s, the pacing of most primetime dramas (or soaps if they dared to still be called them) had wildly changed.

You saw it first at both CW revivals of 90210 and Melrose Place. However fast the original MP moved through plot and character beats (and it could move real fast), the storylines on the new shows seemed powered by amphetamines. You'd get half a beat or two and then it would whiz on. Empire had the same problem which we all noted when that show hit - they would burn through guest characters and plot twists in an episode or two, tops. It caught up to these shows fast. But that was the mentality re: primetime soaps in that era in the late aughts/early '10s.

I couldn't say if it's changed since the streaming era, since I don't really watch any network dramas today. Streaming and premium cable shows are a different beast, and most don't seem as desperate to speed through plot and character as something in a 45-minute slot with commercials - even when their stories or characters are very bad on some of those shows, they have the time to spend or waste on them. By contrast I have no idea if Grey's or the Taylor Sheridan shows, or whatever else passes for network or network-adjacent drama today do take the time. I just remember how breathless "primetime drama" had become, just before Netflix and HBO consumed everything.

I have been vocal about finding a lot of Dallas repetitious and plodding because the plots would generally default to J.R. vs. all these other fools in his life. But the actors all worked hard. I do think it would merit a strong revival, but I would make it short and smaller scale. The problem is whether or not it's a 1:1 match, Taylor Sheridan has kind of cornered that entire space with Yellowstone and its umpteenth spinoffs and clones (The Ranch, Landman, etc.) that all deal with family, the heartland, oil or ranching. And without Larry Hagman you have lost a major draw. Everyone would be wondering if it's another Sheridan show (and no, I haven't watched them).

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2 hours ago, Khan said:

I'm probably wrong, but I feel like the storyline with Jenna and Naldo had not a little bit to do with DALLAS' ceding ground to DYNASTY.

Jenna trial was the main story in the March 1985 episodes.

So your timeline has tanking starting with Jenna trial and going off the rails sometime in Season 9? Season 9 saw Dallas venturing into international intrigue but that didn't work. Angelica Nero was straight out of a James Bond movie.

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