But see I'm not saying that Jamal's conclusion was the worst conclusion, especially since the thugs mentioned the watch. My point is Daniels is really pushing the audience to see that even though Jamal is gay, he can be bad ass. That's not necessary. Jamal is a human being first, so yeah, its possible he can be bad ass and his sexuality has nothing to do with it. Jamal is coming off like a whiny bitch with a huge chip. If your father is homophobic, so damn what! I'm just not as impressed/enthralled with this guy as most of you seem to be. I don't have a motive to dislike him. I just don't [!@#$%^&*] like him. In fact, I loathe his ass, and in the hood where's he's trying to make music, there are plenty of trash cans that await him!

Trash can? Really. I am a ProJam and I think you are trolling me. j/k LOL

So you don't like what Daniels is doing with Jamal by showing his tough side? I don't see this as any different than showing Lucious committing cold blooded murder. What's the difference in Jamal standing up to some thugs in that manner? I am sure Lucious would have been written the same way. Andre, on the other hand, would have done exactly what they said and tried to reason with them because that is his personality. Hakeem probably would have cowered because he doesn't have the background that Jamal or Andre has. Cookie probably would have pulled her .38 out and shot someone. How is showing her as tough any different than showing Jamal as tough? I'm not getting it here?

I actually loved Jamal standing up to the thugs who wanted to rob the studio. I liked that moment.

In other times, I've sort of laughed at how he tries to be a bad ass. Sorry, lol. But I laugh at Hakeem trying to be a bad ass thug too. He looks even more hilarious trying to be all big and bad when he's nothing but a child still.

Edited February 6, 201510 yr by KMan101

Trash can? Really. I am a ProJam and I think you are trolling me. j/k LOL

So you don't like what Daniels is doing with Jamal by showing his tough side? I don't see this as any different than showing Lucious committing cold blooded murder. What's the difference in Jamal standing up to some thugs in that manner? I am sure Lucious would have been written the same way. Andre, on the other hand, would have done exactly what they said and tried to reason with them because that is his personality. Hakeem probably would have cowered because he doesn't have the background that Jamal or Andre has. Cookie probably would have pulled her .38 out and shot someone. How is showing her as tough any different than showing Jamal as tough? I'm not getting it here?

Perhaps Jussie's acting isn't on the level as Howard's so him playing tough is simply not ringing true. It's too forced. Daniels needs to bring it down a notch.

I am going to need you to take it from 10 to at least an 8 so we can have a rational conversation about this. j/k LMBO!

And I won't assign some nefarious reason for why people do when it is clearly in the writing for them to dislike him.

Oh, honey, I haven't started dragging anyone yet. I am at a 5. You'll know when I'm at a 10.

I find it funny you would say that, considering you've gone to battle over other biases. But that's none of my business.

If we are not going to discuss interesting characters, I may as well get some work done

Saint Hakeem!!

But, it's OK. Jamal will probably be apologizing by next week and will go back to supporting, comforting and guiding his little brother, while Hakeem repays him by badmouthing him to his father (AGAIN), competing and wanting to do better (AGAIN) and being jealous (AGAIN).

I see what you did there. LOL

Hakeem is getting very sympathetic writing at the moment. He is being fleshed out. He needs it. Jamal, as a character, can survive off Jussie's good looks, charisma, and musical talents. Hakeem can't. Sorry to any Hakeem fans, but he just can NOT. People are calling him ugly. That kid is not ugly. But I think we all know what is behind that. Just in case you don't, I will spell it out. His lips are too thick and his skin is too dark (in comparison to his siblings) for a lot of people. I'll end that there.

So you don't like what Daniels is doing with Jamal by showing his tough side? I don't see this as any different than showing Lucious committing cold blooded murder. What's the difference in Jamal standing up to some thugs in that manner? I am sure Lucious would have been written the same way. Andre, on the other hand, would have done exactly what they said and tried to reason with them because that is his personality. Hakeem probably would have cowered because he doesn't have the background that Jamal or Andre has. Cookie probably would have pulled her .38 out and shot someone. How is showing her as tough any different than showing Jamal as tough? I'm not getting it here?

Yes, to all of this. YES. But Jamal doesn't have the right to stand up for himself... for some reason.... ......... ........

I actually loved Jamal standing up to the thugs who wanted to rob the studio. I liked that moment.

In other times, I've sort of laughed at how he tries to be a bad ass. Sorry, lol. But I laugh at Hakeem trying to be a bad ass thug too. He looks even more hilarious trying to be all big and bad when he's nothing but a child still.

Yes, he does. And, yet, only one of the two is judged and vilified for standing up for himself. I wonder why?

Perhaps Jussie's acting isn't on the level as Howard's so him playing tough is simply not ringing true. It's too forced. Daniels needs to bring it down a notch.

Oh, so that's it!

I do hope they bring him into line. Dude has been off the charts defending himself against robbing, gun-wielding, assh*les!

Edited February 6, 201510 yr by YRBB

I completely see what you see in regards to Jamal. I've seen some moments that I do like and I like him, but I agree about how they are trying too hard to show him as some bad ass, and I roll my eyes everytime he wants to 'please his daddy' and how he constantly worries what Lucious thinks and how he wants his approval at everything.

Look. It hurts to be rejected by a parent. I can't relate to that, thankfully, but I understand Jamal desiring his father's approval and love, but at some point you just have to do you and stop living your life trying to gain his support, respect and approval.

The writing has been uneven with Jamal, IMO. But I'm still rooting for him. I just think they're taking a basic way out with him as a character right now.

Little moments like how he found the song in his head last week, and the moment on the roof this week, that's what makes me like him and root for him. And it doesn't hurt that Jussie is good, and good looking. LOL

Jamal is YOUNG. Do you know how long it takes people to come to that realization about their parents? It won't be anytime before a person is 55!

Of course, he is going to want the approval of his father. And while they use sexuality as the rift between them, wanting a parent's approval is aommon theme drives characters on soaps. It could have been anything really. They could have chosen the kind of music that Hakeem wants to make. His father is a rapper and Lucious could have wanted Jamal to be a rapper. I think some people might feel different about this situation if it wasn't sexuality.

If we are not going to discuss interesting characters, I may as well get some work done

I know you were probably trying to be cute, but I'm glad to see you know when to gracefully bow out of a losing situation.

Oh, honey, I haven't started dragging anyone yet. I am at a 5. You'll know when I'm at a 10.

I find it funny you would say that, considering you've gone to battle over other biases. But that's none of my business.

When there is a bias, you are damn right I will. And I will go to battle over this issue too. You can count on that.

Only at 5? This is going to get very entertaining!

Hakeem is getting very sympathetic writing at the moment. He is being fleshed out. He needs it. Jamal, as a character, can survive off Jussie's good looks, charisma, and musical talents. Hakeem can't. Sorry to any Hakeem fans, but he just can NOT. People are calling him ugly. That kid is not ugly. But I think we all know what is behind that. Just in case you don't, I will spell it out. His lips are too thick and his skin is too dark (in comparison to his siblings) for a lot of people. I'll end that there.

Nope. Don't. Don't try to make this about the writing supporting Hakeem because the actor is being criticized for the way he looks, while Jamal can be left to deal on his own.

All this was written and shot before the show even premiered. It has nothing to do with that.

They (TPTB) should be writing well and supporting both sides. Their bias is clear and, unfortunately, the audience all too easily identifies with that.

But, since we're on the subject, I will say that 1) I find Hakeem much sexier than Jamal 2) I was very, very appreciative of the fact that he was half naked for basically the whole episode!

I know you were probably trying to be cute, but I'm glad to see you know when to gracefully bow out of a losing situation.

No, but you're seriously being a jerk. That doesn't interest me

Perhaps Jussie's acting isn't on the level as Howard's so him playing tough is simply not ringing true. It's too forced. Daniels needs to bring it down a notch.

I can't with this one here. It surely isn't the acting.

When there is a bias, you are damn right I will. And I will go to battle over this issue too. You can count on that.

Let's hope you will. The proof will be, as they say, in the pudding.

Nope. Don't. Don't try to make this about the writing supporting Hakeem because the actor is being criticized for the way he looks, while Jamal can be left to deal on his own.

All this was written and shot before the show even premiered. It has nothing to do with that.

They (TPTB) should be writing well and supporting both sides. Their bias is clear and, unfortunately, the audience all too easily identifies with that.

But, since we're on the subject, I will say that 1) I find Hakeem much sexier than Jamal 2) I was very, very appreciative of the fact that he was half naked for basically the whole episode!

The first couple of episodes was very pro Jamal. It was all about pushing Jamal as the one to root for. Every episode can't be pro Jamal. Lest, he be the saint instead of Hakeem. That isn't balanced either. This was ONE episodes. Just one. Now if this is the theme for the rest of the season, I'll be somewhere acting a fool...writing a letter or two...or three to Fox, for sure! But I am not up in arms over one episode. Andre needs some episodes as well. He needs to be more than the villain that is coming between his two talented brothers.

Let's hope you will. The proof will be, as they say, in the pudding.

It always is...I live on a soap box.