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I was just reading Carl's Wiki link on this. Julie on Madonna's reaction (warm, half-finished wine aside... I hope Julie is kidding about drinking it, Madonna probably drank the bottle and then pissed in it before having it mailed out. I would have, lol):

"At first I heard she really liked it. Then I heard she didn't like the scene where I rolled around on my dog's grave. She'd rolled around on her mother's — like that wasn't offensive enough? Then she didn't like the scene with the dancers suing me, because that really happened to her."

Carl, no idea. But it looks like she's up for more. I got to look up how Julie looks these days, it's been ages since I've seen her anywhere.

Weird Al's 1985 "Like a Surgeon" (I've heard Her Madgesty came up with the title and off and onwards the project went)...

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If Julie makes a new movie, she must not leave out the flower incident. I had only heard about the incident in passing (in one of the articles cheering the SB performance), but YouTube keeps us all up to date...

The "fan" is a reporter from some country...

Madonna officially apologizes (kind of)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlXMA0v-WA

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As Evita was mentioned earlier.

Here's Madonna performing You Must Love Me at the '97 Oscar's. The song won the Oscar for Best Original Song.

Time Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote it especially for Madonna to song in the film. It has since been incorporated into stage revivals of the musical.

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Of course, she was pregnant with Lourdes when this was filmed:

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That is one beautiful song and she does a great job with it.

Hall of Fame inductions...

U.K. Music Hall of Fame Induction in 2004 (Founding member. And she's doing the horrible British accent here that she caught, haha)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P_yAbHiuB8

U.S. R&R Hall of Fame Induction (Inducted on first eligible year, 2008):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7NNv215FK8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiTwqjefrUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enA4OUzR2XM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZMdCRqQ3aQ

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Madonna said that she was raped when she first arrived in New York, I believe she spoke about this in during the mid 90's.

Here's an article about it: http://articles.chic...-music-magazine

I actually had never heard that. Wow--I guess it makes sense in some ways (due to her actions afterwards).

She inducted David Bowie in 1996.

He wasn't there to receive the honour however.

I am still up in arms that Donna Summer hasn't made it in--considering she WON a rock Grammy, and sold so well in the 70s. They really do need to rename the Hall of Fame to Pop though.

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Poor Donna suffers from the disco backlash that rock purists will never get over.

Madonna is lucky she emerged during the post-disco ever, and was at the forefront of the music video era, or else she could have been grouped in there.

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I don't disagree. I do think she must have had some really fundamental issues with the men in her life, those close and those she didn't know (the assault she says happened). It's the same way I would feel about a man if he was being a little too volatile or too contolling towards women in his work too. It's very much "I will never be dominated by a man."

I do think like with a lot of her videos, she leaves it a bit ambig for the viewer to take their own message.

As a child for me, my first thought was sexual abuse when watching this video. Either by the father or from a father in the church. In terms of sexual abuse, I thought the mothers lip sewn together was a way of showing her silenced about the abuse. Then, for me, it became about a total screw-up of a father and its effect on the children. Me and my sister discussed the video years later and were like "that's the song of our childhood." It's just later on I learned Madonna and her older brother got to see their mother in her coffin and her mouth was sewn like that so my initial interps changed and I began seeing it differently, more from the father/daughter strained relationship dynamics.

I didn't love Madonna's studio version of DCFMA. It's really been done better. For me, this Spanish woman - Paloma San Basilio - sings it best. (Yes better than PL). I loved the remix though. I also loved Madonna's talking-singing performance of it in the movie. I think her performance of it here has the passion in it that it lacks in the actual released single and video.

That's how I always took the video as well.

I love that you called Patti Lupone, PL. Evita was kinda miscast just as it really is a belter's role, which Madonna can't do.

Poor Donna suffers from the disco backlash that rock purists will never get over.

Madonna is lucky she emerged during the post-disco ever, and was at the forefront of the music video era, or else she could have been grouped in there.

Exactly. It's ironic because Madonna has always been one of the stronger US artists in terms of post disco dance.

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A more appropriate name would be the U.S. Music Hall of Fame. "Rock & Roll" sounds so much cooler though but you definitely don't need to be a rocker to be inducted into this hall of fame.

I think Donna Summers was eligible the year Madonna got in. So they still haven't put her in? She was/is the disco queen. If Pop and Dance go in, Disco should as well.

The rape. I had read about that in Wiki a couple of months ago...

"During a late night, Madonna was returning from a rehearsal, when she was dragged up an alleyway by a pair of men and forced to perform fellatio at knifepoint. Madonna had later commented that "the episode was a taste of my weakness, it showed me that I still could not save myself in spite of all the strong-girl show. I could never forget it."

(Unauthorized) Biographers/Psychiatrists analyzing what made Madonna the person she became (Circa the Wiki profile):

According to Taraborrelli, "Almost certainly, the defining moment of Madonna's childhood—the one that would have the most influence in shaping her into the woman she would become—was the tragic and untimely death of her beloved mother." Psychiatrist Keith Ablow suggests that her mother's death would have had an immeasurable impact on the young Madonna at a time when her personality was still forming. According to Ablow, the younger a child is at the time of a serious loss, the more profound the influence and the longer lasting the impact. He concludes that "some people never reconcile themselves to such a loss at an early age, Madonna is not different than them." Conversely, author Lucy O'Brien feels that the impact of the rape is, in fact, the motivating factor behind everything Madonna has done, more important even than the death of her mother: "It's not so much grief at her mother's death that drives her, as the sense of abandonment that left her unprotected. She encountered her own worst possible scenario, becoming a victim of male violence, and thereafter turned that full-tilt into her work, reversing the equation at every opportunity."

As they grew older, Madonna and her sisters would feel deep sadness as the vivid memory of their mother began drifting, farther from them. They would study pictures of her and come to think that she resembled poet Anne Sexton and Hollywood actresses. This would later raise Madonna's interest in poetry with Sylvia Plath being her favourite. Later, Madonna commented: "We were all wounded in one way or another by [her death], and then we spent the rest of our lives reacting to it or dealing with it or trying to turn into something else. The anguish of losing my mom left me with a certain kind of loneliness and an incredible longing for something. If I hadn't had that emptiness, I wouldn't have been so driven. Her death had a lot to do with me saying—after I got over my heartache—I'm going to be really strong if I can't have my mother. I'm going to take care of myself." Taraborrelli felt that in time, no doubt because of the devastation she felt, Madonna would never again allow herself, or even her daughter, to feel as abandoned as she had felt when her mother died. "Her death had taught [Madonna] a valuable lesson, that she would have to remain strong for herself because, she feared weakness—particularly her own—and wanted to be the queen of her own castle."

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Evita was kinda miscast just as it really is a belter's role, which Madonna can't do.

I think Madonna did a really good job in the movie in terms of overall performance, but she's sooo not theater (not to mention she can't belt) as a singer or actor and that's missing in some of the song performances - most evidently DCFMA. In DCFMA it was as if she was just trying so hard to get it right and that was more prominent than feeling the words.

Here's PSB (it's in spanish, but dammmmn, you don't need a translator):

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Before she played Evita, she mocked-performed Don't Cry For Me Argentina during a Girlie Show stop in Argentina.

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I liked the small Latin portion of the Girlie Show tour.....

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Madonna on Nightline discussing (or justifying) Justify My Love. It's hilarious how flattered she becomes anytime he points out that she's a powerful woman. She's pretty annoying here though, she won't give an inch no matter how he comes at her. I had totally forgotten about the Juke Box channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3yvKGQl6A4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtMgR6tmwg

I like this interview. In this interview, she finally admits somewhat to desiring shock value at the time of her sex period and it being somewhat wrong that she was just forcing it on people without an alternative idea from her in the picture...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll-Lax1gfrc

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I liked the small Latin portion of the Girlie Show tour.....

Thanks for posting. I always end up skipping over most of TGS when I'm looking at old tours on YT. I had only looked at the Rain clip, because it was Rain at the Girlie Show which at that time (and I guess still) I associated with nudity .

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