B&B: Old/Classic Discussion & Articles

[JAS0N47]

Days has had a few "A" insert episodes through the years as well. It does get complicated. I know it took awhile to get everything together on the Days episode guide when I compiled that many years ago!

[janea4old]

Another cool trick to find old episode numbers is to go to 
archive.org, and then enter 
https://www.cbs.com/shows/the_bold_and_the_beautiful/
into the archive.org search,

and then select the month around the time you are researching, and if you are lucky you can do the source-code trick to get the episode number from the URL of the episode cover photo.

I've done this for  Y&R same way
And also for https://abc.com/shows/general-hospital

Edited November 7, 2023 by janea4old

[BoldRestless]

Great info! Thanks so much @janea4old! I keep an up to date Y&R list, hence my being correct on that one, and now I went back to tinker with my B&B spreadsheet, not updated since 2021

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 and yes, you're absolutely correct. GH I don't track at all so when Jason asked about the current network shows, I went to imdb. 

 

One day I might pick your brain about the CBS "season" start dates.

Not only am I happy about the videos, but I am impressed that you put them in a red folder, dramatic and reminiscent of Sally Spectra herself 

 

These are quite good and watchable and I'd rather watch it like this with such good picture, so a big thanks to you.  

 

Just so people know, many smart TVs have an option to shift the sound so if the sync bothers you, you can adjust it on your TV. If watching on the computer using VLC player, you may also shift the audio until it is perfect https://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_HowTo/Adjust_audio_delay/

[JAS0N47]

Thanks, so this is now the correct list for BB:

BB (as of 11/3/23):
Possible Airdates: 9555 airdates
Aired: 9141 regular episodes
Full Preemptions: 414 preemptions (includes classic episodes & specially-numbered episodes)

The Nielsen books have those (sometimes the networks start at a different date, like I mentioned happened in September 1990). So, I can eventually help out with those for 1978-1999, but too busy now with the other stuff!

[janea4old]

@JAS0N47 did you see this one, too?  That's two "A" episodes, 
The one that Casey K mentioned and this one.

[janea4old]

correcting myself:  There were 6 "A" episodes of GH (not five).  I finally updated on the GH thread.

Edited November 7, 2023 by janea4old

[Troppo]

I was able to verify Feb 27th, but not the other two. And we do know there were two more because the episode numbers line up.

Here's a quick and dirty document I wrote on the subject.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jl1eBEJvfO2xdB9CMNBA_veOcVNWS9vrKPd8nb3KaSo/edit

[JAS0N47]

I just wanted to get those math problems done so now we know exactly what's up with all of the 4 current soaps!

So any "A" episodes would fall into the "Full Preemptions: 414 preemptions (includes classic episodes & specially-numbered episodes)" category. Fans of BB, YR, GH, I've provided the full preemptions for 1979-1999 and now I've done the math problems to confirm exactly how many preemptions (or in special cases, insert/A or classic episodes) in total each of your soaps has had. 

So that's as far as I can help out in regards to the other soaps. Now, it's up to historians to use these numbers and confirm which of the "full preemptions" was actually an insert ("A") episode or a classic repeat episode.
 

I'm sure some of you have already done that research, but I hope my Nielsen preemptions confirmation has helped your episode guides some!!

Edited November 7, 2023 by JAS0N47

[Troppo]

Jason, thank you SO much for your efforts. It is sincerely appreciated!

It looks like Feb 21st 1992 may be a preemption also. Can you verify?

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.tv.soaps/c/9u6_TNhySKU/m/6YLQC3q47msJ

[JAS0N47]

64 Confirmed Full Preemptions of BB: March 1987-July 1993: (64 TOTAL)

 

7/7/87 The Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)              
7/8/87 The Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)                 
7/9/87 The Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)     
7/10/87 The Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)      
7/14/87 Young and the Restless (1-2PM)
7/15/87 Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)       
7/17/87 Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)
7/23/87 Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)                  
7/29/87 Iran Contra Hearings 26 (1230-630PM)
8/3/87 (Local Fill for local news after Iran Contra Hearings 27, 9AM-122PM & $25,000 Pyramid 122-130PM)                       
9/7/87 US Open Tennis (1230-6PM)                  
9/11/87 US Open Tennis (11AM-302PM)                 
11/26/87 J.T. (130-230PM)
11/27/87 A Thanksgiving Treasure (1230-2PM)     
12/8/87 Unrated Summit Signing Ceremony (unknown timings)                       
12/25/87 NBA on CBS (12-230PM)
12/31/87 As the World Turns (130-230PM)
1/1/88 Cotton Bowl (130-504PM)                 
2/15/88 NBA on CBS (130-4PM)               
9/5/88 US Open Tennis (1230-6PM)                      
9/9/88 US Open Tennis 2 (123-4PM)                    
11/24/88 NFL Football (1230-311PM)
11/25/88 Care Bears Movie II (1230-2PM)                
12/26/88 Movie Special: Quarterback Princess (1230-2PM)
1/2/89 Cotton Bowl (130-445PM)
1/20/89 Price Is Right 2 (130-2PM)
2/20/89 NBA on CBS (130-4PM)

9/4/89 US Open Tennis (1230-6PM)

9/8/89 US Open Tennis 2 (112-547PM) 
11/23/89 Dink the Little Dinosaur (130-2PM)

11/24/89 Garfield & Friends (130-2PM)
12/25/89 Homecoming (1230-230PM)

1/1/90 Mobil Cotton Bowl (130-516PM)
2/19/90 NBA on CBS (130-408PM)

9/3/90 US Open Tennis (1230-6PM)
9/7/90 US Open Tennis (1236-530PM)

11/22/90 H.R. Pufnstuf (130-2PM)
11/23/90 A Boy Named Charlie Brown (1230-230PM)
12/25/90 Homecoming: Christmas Story (1230-230PM)
1/1/91 Mobil Cotton Bowl (130-519PM)

1/9/91 Unrated CBS Special Report- Geneva (unknown timings)

1/17/91 War in the Gulf 3 (10AM-4PM)

1/30/91 Unrated War in the Gulf 36 (unknown timings)

2/15/91 Unrated War in the Gulf 39 (unknown timings)  

2/27/91 Unrated War in the Gulf 59 (unknown timings)

3/14/91 NCAA Basketball 1 (12-235PM)

3/15/91 NCAA Basketball 1 (12-235PM)

9/2/91 US Open Tennis (1230-7PM)
9/6/91 (Local Fill for US Open Tennis)
10/11/91 (Local Fill for Thomas Senate Hearings)
11/28/91 NFL Football (1234-340PM)
12/25/91 Movie: Homecoming (1-3PM)
1/1/92 Mobil Cotton Bowl (130-530PM)
2/17/92 XVI Winter Olympics (1-6PM)
3/19/92 NCAA Basketball: Various Teams (1210-238PM)
3/20/92 NCAA Basketball: Various Teams (1210-240PM)
9/7/92 US Open Tennis (1230-6PM)
9/11/92 US Open Tennis (1230-5PM)
11/26/92 Bugs Bunny Thanksgiving Diet (130-2PM)
12/25/92 House Without a Christmas Tree (1230-2PM)
1/1/93 Blockbuster Bowl (130-506PM)
1/20/93 Family Feud Special (130-2PM)
3/18/93 NCAA Basketball: Various Teams (1210-237PM)
3/19/93 NCAA Basketball: Various Teams (1210-225PM)
**4/19/93 Unrated special report (130-210PM) (Note: May not have aired anywhere but might have been skipped to not mess up a YR crossover that same week, so officially being put on the partial preemption list)    

 

I re-checked the Nielsen data, and on 2/21/92, the Winter Olympics aired from 11AM-130PM, so then BB aired at its regular time of 130PM.

Edited November 7, 2023 by JAS0N47

[Troppo]

Thanks! I was a bit confused because of that thread, and there was no mention of Feb 17th 1992 Winter Olympics coverage anywhere, but all good.

As for Feb 27th 1991, there is a mention of a preemption in this thread: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.tv.soaps/c/QRTQmhjV8uI/m/XpTG-xip1fkJ

I had Feb 1st 1991 as a preemption. So Episode 966 aired on Jan 31st and not the 30th. And Feb 15th is a confirmed preemption. We now have all of 1991 accounted for.

[JAS0N47]

Final teaser before I find out about the BB preemption or not for 2/27:

It is at least not a regular rated episode...

 

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And...it did not air on Wed. 2/27.  So, if those two NBA preemptions in March 1991 are correct, then the Episode #s for BB do not line up as of July 1993. One of the "full preemptions" had to have been skipped, or two episodes at one point were edited into one, or they accidentally skipped an episode #?

The mystery begins...

[Troppo]

The only thing I noticed was the Apr 19th 1993 preemption you listed. I don't have that one. Time to check Usenet again lol

Found something.

Apparently B&B was preempted on Apr 19th and 20th 1993 on the East Coast. Maybe the episodes aired at a later time?

[YRfan23]

Everything from usenet, to the official YT page with the episodes definitely all add up accordingly. I suggested maybe they had to either skip 4/19/93 completely and not air it the next day because of messing with the continuity of Lauren/Sheila, or they aired two episodes 4/20/93...or maybe even for the East Coast viewers, on 4/21/93 they aired 3 episodes? the missing two from 4/19-4/20 and of course 4/21/93. 

[Troppo]

All those scenarios sound plausible. I noticed the two episodes (1522 and 1523) feature an early appearance of Don Diamont (as his Y&R character). Perhaps that had something to do with it?