Hey, at least two gay men make it out alive. Have you seen that cast picture? Not a person of color in sight.

I guess what bothers me the most is that while the show will still have some gay representation at the end, it's going to be marred by death. This was the only gay story left on soaps and generally, the only successful (in terms of audience reaction -- I can't count Kish since the official line is that they were showkillers) story on soaps involving gay men, and one of the few involving any gay characters. And this is going to end in a) a pointless death and b ) the other gay characters reuniting in the shadow of death. It's a miserable, gutless, depressing ending, one that has followed gay characters around for decades.

I'm also offended by the show's whitewashing, I hope I didn't imply otherwise.

The whole thing with their treatment of gay characters and of Bonnie and Jessica and other minorities is all just a spit in the face of Doug Marland and what he did for ATWT

Hey guys. I've been lurking here for quite a few years, and was hoping that my first post would be more positive, but now that my worst fears are confirmed, I just had to vent.

Welcome. It is usually the bad stuff that pushes a person to start posting. LOL!

BTW, last I heard, Anthony Langford was saying he couldn't comment about anything regarding this storyline.

Langford should have the cajones to speak out starting now. I don't know why he is keeping quiet. ATWT is gone. P&G is out of the soap business. Other than AMC, there are no more gay characters on U.S. soaps nor are there likely to be ever again so why is he keeping quiet? It would be nice if one of these soap bloggers stuck their necks out a bit and not toe the party line so much. I wonder if Branco will speak out? I doubt it.

Noah tells Luke that he needs time to himself and really doesn't need to be in a relationship right now.

Well, you got Noah right.

The last time ATWT was recognizable was when Richard Culliton was HW back in 95. Then they fired him and got Stern and Black and the true nightmare began. Hogan only had one good year.

I feel the same way. I've had hope at other times, like FMB's early time on the show and Sheffer's first year, but that was usually based on the positive vibes others had, and it didn't last long. Culliton was the last time I actually saw ATWT as representing the true heart and spirit of the show and its community.

I know GL's last year was not good, hell, you can say the show hadn't been good in a long, long time, but even thought I found a lot more to enjoy in that last year than I have with ATWT this year. I am barely able to watch even my favorite characters. I'm still a month behind because the episodes are so bad. I didn't mind GL's finale week because they brought back beloved characters and tried to end with some dignity. It seems like ATWT is going out more along the lines of Capitol and that firing squad.

The last time ATWT was recognizable was when Richard Culliton was HW back in 95. Then they fired him and got Stern and Black and the true nightmare began. Hogan only had one good year.

I vaguely remember Culliton's tenure. Please jog my memory. What were his major stories?

I guess what bothers me the most is that while the show will still have some gay representation at the end, it's going to be marred by death. This was the only gay story left on soaps and generally, the only successful (in terms of audience reaction -- I can't count Kish since the official line is that they were showkillers) story on soaps involving gay men, and one of the few involving any gay characters. And this is going to end in a) a pointless death and b ) the other gay characters reuniting in the shadow of death. It's a miserable, gutless, depressing ending, one that has followed gay characters around for decades.

They figured they had three gay characters so they could kill one for sport like the Romans sending gladiators into the ring.

I'm also offended by the show's whitewashing, I hope I didn't imply otherwise.

No, you did not.

The whole thing with their treatment of gay characters and of Bonnie and Jessica and other minorities is all just a spit in the face of Doug Marland and what he did for ATWT

As horribly as P&G treated black characters and their reservations about their gay characters, I give P&G credit for sticking it out with their gay characters. P&G could have done what ABC did with Kyle and Oliver years ago to Luke and his Ball and Chain, but P&G stuck it out through threatened boycotts.

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ATWT has not been recognizable since shortly after Marland died.

True dat.

Another World, Santa Barbara, and Guiding Light were the same. By the time, they were cancelled, I couldn't only shake my head at how far these once great soaps had fallen. ATWT is no different in that regard.

I only watched AW from among those, and it turned so awful that I hadn't watched it for years by the time it died. The only reason I came back to Oakdale was because of Reid (I watched early "Nuke," but was too disappointed to continue when they introduced the Iraqi woman). I hope this is just a rumor, like the one about Christeeeeen being Ryder and Daisy's mother on Y&R. Reid is simply my favorite character since Andy Dixon.

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I vaguely remember Culliton's tenure. Please jog my memory. What were his major stories?

Orlena/Damian/Lily storyline, John/Lisa storyline were two to name few

I vaguely remember Culliton's tenure. Please jog my memory. What were his major stories?

The big one from that time was Lisa's malpractice suit against John over Eduardo's death. John lost his medical license for a while.

Culliton's era was a mixed bag, IMO, but better than much of what came after it.

Orlena/Damian/Lily storyline, John/Lisa storyline were two to name few

The big one from that time was Lisa's malpractice suit against John over Eduardo's death. John lost his medical license for a while.

Culliton's era was a mixed bag, IMO, but better than much of what came after it.

OMG, I loved the Damian/Lily/Orena story. Well, I loved Damian. The only time I could ever tolerate Lily was when she was with Damian. He is one of my all time favorite soap characters. Of course, he was ruined by subsequent headwriters including Passante and Goutman. Ugh.

I didn't like Lisa when she was going after John for Eduardo's death, but it was a good story.

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Culliton also wrote the main portions of the story when Carly was a real b!tch to Rosanna and was seducing Mike. That was the fun stuff, then when he left it somehow became about Rosanna getting addicted to gambling in five minutes. I still remember that LOL scene where Rosanna and Mike were at a chapel and she wouldn't marry him because she was sitting in her wedding dress playing a slot machine over and over and over.

I do agree with you that ATWT at least had the guts to keep their gay characters. I just wish it didn't have to end this way.

Culliton also wrote the main portions of the story when Carly was a real b!tch to Rosanna and was seducing Mike. That was the fun stuff, then when he left it somehow became about Rosanna getting addicted to gambling in five minutes. I still remember that LOL scene where Rosanna and Mike were at a chapel and she wouldn't marry him because she was sitting in her wedding dress playing a slot machine over and over and over.

I do agree with you that ATWT at least had the guts to keep their gay characters. I just wish it didn't have to end this way.

Was that when the car accident happened or was that after Culltion left??

Does anyone know if Reid will make it until September?

Cause if he goes earlier, it will give me the excuse to click this show off that much sooner

Does anyone know if Reid will make it until September?

Cause if he goes earlier, it will give me the excuse to click this show off that much sooner

i believe he will be on till September.

Yeah, looks like Reid will be killed off a week or two before the final episode. Noah comforts Luke and it is implied that they will be together in the future. There is a picture of Lily, Holden, Noah, and Luke at the Synder pond. It looks like Luke may be holding an urn with Reid's ashes.

This whole thing makes me think that Reid's death was probably planned as soon as DK left. JP and CG were probably thrown off guard by Helen Wagner's death, but it was too late to do anything about Reid's death because I bet they would not have wanted two deaths so close together at the end.

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Was that when the car accident happened or was that after Culltion left??

What was the car accident? I can't remember.

I think the Black and Stern stuff officially began with the plane crash in early 1996 that "killed" Damian and blinded Sam and made Margo go nuts.

The only good thing with that era was that the vets were still used. Goutman tends to not ever do that.

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