I heard somewhere that he also was a bit weird with the actors when meeting them in person, and I don't mean referring to them by character name.

The Lou Pearlman of Daytime.

You've said it all.

I hate to say it but "men, misogynist males" are not the whole problem here. For some reason, "some" women eat it up like slices of pizza. Soaps, or at least ABC soaps, have a tendency to regress to THE PERILS OF PAULINE style of storytelling for women. My late grandmother who somehow managed to survive the deathcamps loved her soaps but I can't see her rooting for any of the new weak, all about the man, women we see playing out now, on ABC at least.

Sadly Jessica has become a one-woman game of Whack-a-mole. They might as well have people line up to smack her, like that scene in "Airplane." I'll never understand how in a post-Buffy world soaps haven't figured out that maybe the women should be getting stronger not weaker.

What I find interesting about Stacy's death is that it was a microcosm of what soaps have become. She died within mere hours of giving birth and she died completely focused on Rex. Triangles, babies and death, that's all that soaps seem to offer up. Triangles, babies and death.

Sadly Jessica has become a one-woman game of Whack-a-mole. They might as well have people line up to smack her, like that scene in "Airplane." I'll never understand how in a post-Buffy world soaps haven't figured out that maybe the women should be getting stronger not weaker.

Word. What worse is those women who used to be strong, intelligent and just as capable and equal as any man on the show have been diminished or played as an (unfunny) joke. As a male myself, I live to see strong women in fiction, whether it be soaps, movies, or books. Without a strong woman, a story of any kind is severely lacking to me.

On DAYS Roman was stabbed in the throat, Tony was mauled by a tiger, Doug was stabbed in the throat, Jack was hit with a brick in the head, Victor was electrocuted in his bathtub, Paul Mendez was stabbed, shot, beaten up, shot again, beaten up again before eventually dying. Just like Claudia on GH, Stefano was once knifed in the gut. Those are the ones I can think of right now.

There is an unrealistic, almost cartoonish quality to the violence on DOOL than some of these other things the article was talking about. Batman with Jack Nicholson has tons of violence and explosions and whatnot, but just because he shot Jack Palance does not mean the death of Jack Palance's character resonates as much as some of the violence in the Heath Ledger Batman movie. Elmer Fudd shot himself in the face probably dozens of times, but it hardly can be described as serious violence. And agan, Doug, Roman, Victor and Stefano all lived. Jack multiple times. Doug dying in the cemetery was fairly serious, I guess, but still retained a movie serial quality to it imo.

For me it has something to do with quantity. If all things were truly equal there would be just as much male death as female death, but just taking the names bandied about in this thread (Stacy Morosco, Jen Rappaport from OLTL, Claudia and Chloe from GH, Frankie Frame famously) where are the male counterparts? I recall watching Chloe cornered like a rat on GH by Stavros, but where is the male Chloe who also got a long sadistic death scene? What male character was ever killed like Jen Rappaport? And just out of curiosity, why was it Jen slated for death and not Will if both actors were leaving the show anyway? Why did Stacy get this gasping for air in the ice, Claudia on GH got a slo-mo whack to the head, but the same show had Lorenzo Alcazar tastefully getting murdered off camera, no fuss no muss? Which male characters were killed sadistically and brutally? Even Nash died by accident and pretty quickly. I guess I just can't come up with any male counterparts to GH's Claudia being knifed in the gut, and then tossed in the river.

Greg Madden? The man was buried alive and tortured for weeks in his own crap and piss. If we're going to be qualifying deaths, then by all means... that one tops them all. He put a baby up for a LEGAL adoption and was murdered for it. That beats a dumb broad falling through thin ice. And, I'm sorry, but calling a mobster's death "sadistic" or "misogynistic" is a load of crap. All because she was a woman doesn't change the fact that she was in the killing business from day one.

And to your point about Lorenzo being "tastefully" murdered off camera -- I'm pretty sure that had more to do with the writers wanting to give themselves an out in case they wanted to resurrect the character in the future than it had to do with the fact that he was simply a male.

Edited February 22, 201015 yr by R Sinclair

There is an unrealistic, almost cartoonish quality to the violence on DOOL than some of these other things the article was talking about. Batman with Jack Nicholson has tons of violence and explosions and whatnot, but just because he shot Jack Palance does not mean the death of Jack Palance's character resonates as much as some of the violence in the Heath Ledger Batman movie. Elmer Fudd shot himself in the face probably dozens of times, but it hardly can be described as serious violence. And agan, Doug, Roman, Victor and Stefano all lived. Jack multiple times. Doug dying in the cemetery was fairly serious, I guess, but still retained a movie serial quality to it imo.

Yes but at the time they were supposed to be dead. And I would think those death were pretty sadistic compared to those mentioned before. The reason I mentioned Stefano was because you mentioned Claudia, they were both knifed in the gut but neither died. But if you don't want to compare with DAYS we can look no furter then GH. Just a month after Claudia was knifed, Logan was killed when Lulu grabbed a knife and turned around so Logan was stabbed in the gut and died.

Yes but at the time they were supposed to be dead. And I would think those death were pretty sadistic compared to those mentioned before. The reason I mentioned Stefano was because you mentioned Claudia, they were both knifed in the gut but neither died. But if you don't want to compare with DAYS we can look no furter then GH. Just a month after Claudia was knifed, Logan was killed when Lulu grabbed a knife and turned around so Logan was stabbed in the gut and died.

Ooooh, good point! Not only that, we also got to see the actual stabbing in this glitzy promo with graphics set to a rock song and have it painted less about Logan's death but more about Lulu's journey back to an awakening Laura. Like I said before, men and women on soaps both die ugly, celebrated deaths. And sometimes, even if the deaths aren't exactly graphic, they are pretty much pointless. I'm still trying to figure out the point of GH killing Justus?

Soap Net: "Justus dies! How will Lainey react?"

Lainey: " "