Yeah, Reva saved Holly from committing suicide on the bridge.  Of course it was Reva.  No one else possibly could have saved Holly.   Reva, our Savior. 

There were some Holly/Josh scenes earlier.  Those scenes were passable but not notable.  Garrett and Newman working opposite each other was weird, as if the two actors didn't know each other.

I found the Holly/Reva bridge scene so inexcusable that I never again watched GL.  Literally.  Not even the last week in 2009, in real time.  Not that giving the heave-ho to the show was difficult in the late 1990s.  

Apparently, Reva was flushed down a toilet at some point during the 2000s.  That would have been worth seeing.

I would have enjoyed a Reva-gets-into-a-car-wreck-that-leaves-her-completely-mute-for-an-entire-year storyline.  Or a Reva suffers from a real nasty bout of venereal disease storyline.  Both simultaneously would have been killer!!  Reva needed to suffer in silence.  For the good of Greater Springfield.

 

 

 

 

 

Y'know, it should've been Vanessa. Vanessa and Holly had the connection.

But...sigh...Reva. 

 

2 hours ago, Speed Racer said:

Yeah, Reva saved Holly from committing suicide on the bridge.  Of course it was Reva.  No one else possibly could have saved Holly.   Reva, our Savior. 

There were some Holly/Josh scenes earlier.  Those scenes were passable but not notable.  Garrett and Newman working opposite each other was weird, as if the two actors didn't know each other.

I found the Holly/Reva bridge scene so inexcusable that I never again watched GL.  Literally.  Not even the last week in 2009, in real time.  Not that giving the heave-ho to the show was difficult in the late 1990s.  

Apparently, Reva was flushed down a toilet at some point during the 2000s.  That would have been worth seeing.

I would have enjoyed a Reva-gets-into-a-car-wreck-that-leaves-her-completely-mute-for-an-entire-year storyline.  Or a Reva suffers from a real nasty bout of venereal disease storyline.  Both simultaneously would have been killer!!  Reva needed to suffer in silence.  For the good of Greater Springfield.

 

 

 

 

 

This made me laugh so much!  Reva flushed down the toilet?!  What? 

That's why I always think of GL as two different soaps.  One with Reva and the other with Dinah/Annie/Cassie on the other soap by the mid 90s. 

I think one of the main characters needed to get a STD with all the unprotected sex and relationships lasting less than 5 minutes.

@DeeVee Yes.  That's the scene with Reva and Alexandra I was talking about from 1989/1990.  I can't remember if Roger was married to Alexandra yet.  It was before Alan Michael being kidnapped and the Fifth Street Fire, so I think 1989.  I thought the scene didn't make sense.  

I swear, that so called mansion had the worst security system. 

BTW, I never bought Rick Herst's Alan Michael as a Bauer.  He stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

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38 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Y'know, it should've been Vanessa. Vanessa and Holly had the connection.

But...sigh...Reva. 

 

Well…Baby Mo wasn’t kidnapped, but Reva’s son, niece and granddaughter were. 
 

Plus, Annie was involved, so…

 

And Reva had attempted suicide on a similar bridge. 
 

I got it. 

As I understand it, the story evolved out of the way Holly's life crumbled after Fletch took Meg after she donated her kidney to Baby Mo. (I'm sure there's more to it, but I'm not revisiting that era of GL) Not only did Holly and Van already have a connection (via the Jack Kiley trial), they had similar problems (troubled relationships with older daughters and younger ones with medical issues.)

But of course, the story was written for Reva to be our heroine. *eyeroll* 

Was Roger still in town?

13 minutes ago, P.J. said:

As I understand it, the story evolved out of the way Holly's life crumbled after Fletch took Meg after she donated her kidney to Baby Mo. (I'm sure there's more to it, but I'm not revisiting that era of GL) Not only did Holly and Van already have a connection (via the Jack Kiley trial), they had similar problems (troubled relationships with older daughters and younger ones with medical issues.)

But of course, the story was written for Reva to be our heroine. *eyeroll* 

Was Roger still in town?

Roger was gone. 
 

Holly was drinking and spiralling out of control after Fletcher kidnapped Meg. (Sooooo out of character, but Jay Hammer was let go.)

 

I believe that Holly had tried to kidnap Baby Mo before.  And I know that Jenna learned that Holly was the Stalker and this somehow led to her and Jeffrey’s deaths in a car wreck. 
 

I get your point about Vanessa though. But once Annie found the kids, it had to Reva. She was the Action Heroine. 

1 hour ago, MLH said:

BTW, I never bought Rick Herst's Alan Michael as a Bauer.  He stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

I was going to ask---how long did you watch GL? True, maybe Hearst's A-M didn't show his Bauer side as much as CTE. But I saw Hearst's A-M as damaged from his involvement with Blake, and being claimed by the dark-side Spaulding power-mad gene.

1 minute ago, anthonymolchan said:

Roger was gone. 
 

Holly was drinking and spiralling out of control after Fletcher kidnapped Meg. (Sooooo out of character, but Jay Hammer was let go.)

 

I believe that Holly had tried to kidnap Baby Mo before.  And I know that Jenna learned that Holly was the Stalker and this somehow led to her and Jeffrey’s deaths in a car wreck. 
 

I get your point about Vanessa though. But once Annie found the kids, it had to Reva. She was the Action Heroine. 

I don't know...Fletch could be an asshat.

It was something about Holly accidently spilling that Jeffrey was Coop's father that lead to Jenna crashing the car with him in it?

Granted---it would've been a bit of a stretch to get Vanessa out on a bridge. And Maeve, bless her, was not an Action Heroine.

20 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I don't know...Fletch could be an asshat.

It was something about Holly accidently spilling that Jeffrey was Coop's father that lead to Jenna crashing the car with him in it?

Granted---it would've been a bit of a stretch to get Vanessa out on a bridge. And Maeve, bless her, was not an Action Heroine.

Yes. And didn’t Hart accidentally cause Dinah to miscarry by slamming a door into her inadvertently while trying to pursue the Stalker?  Something else Holly was responsible for. 

54 minutes ago, anthonymolchan said:

Yes. And didn’t Hart accidentally cause Dinah to miscarry by slamming a door into her inadvertently while trying to pursue the Stalker?  Something else Holly was responsible for. 

I'm not sure when Dinah's miscarriage was. If it was before or after little Maureen's birth. But yes, for some reason, Hart slammed a door at someone, not realizing it was Dinah, and she miscarried. It was after Vanessa had given Josh and Reva her house to live in.

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12 hours ago, P.J. said:

I was going to ask---how long did you watch GL? True, maybe Hearst's A-M didn't show his Bauer side as much as CTE. But I saw Hearst's A-M as damaged from his involvement with Blake, and being claimed by the dark-side Spaulding power-mad gene.

Discovered GL this year. I watched vids from 1989 to 1998. 

I saw him as a totally different character than the one that Rick replaced. He hung around Harley and Marlers more than the Bauers to me. Then it was the Coopers with the whole Lucy thing.

Poor Harley was just in her relationship with Josh and here comes the new version of Alan Michael that didn't have any of the chemistry with her that she had with the one she married. 

The show was so obsessed with Lucy and Alan Michael. I was surprised there wasn't a baby involved. 

 

 

 

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MLH -  You watched Guiding Light from 1989 to 1998 AND you're a tough critic.  Fair enough.

What about Guiding Light did you find considerably above average?  Which actors, storylines?  Details, please.  I know you liked Calhoun/Curlee, but the former wasn't around all that long.  What caught your nod of attention after Calhoun's departure?

Thanks.  

I watched from 1978/79 to the end of 1983, and from 1990-1998.  I didn't see the Dana/Looney Rae Rooney stuff (late 1989) until a year or so ago.  I watched all of 1989 retroactively.

14 hours ago, P.J. said:

I'm not sure when Dinah's miscarriage was. If it was before or after little Maureen's birth. But yes, for some reason, Hart slammed a door at someone, not realizing it was Dinah, and she miscarried. It was after Vanessa had given Josh and Reva her house to live in.

Hart thought it was the stalker outside and ran out, knocking the door into Dinah. But here is the thing with the dumbed down GL...the door opened OUT instead of in (it wasn't the screen door, it was the door to the house!) 

 

 

4 hours ago, Speed Racer said:

MLH -  You watched Guiding Light from 1989 to 1998 AND you're a tough critic.  Fair enough.

What about Guiding Light did you find considerably above average?  Which actors, storylines?  Details, please.  I know you liked Calhoun/Curlee, but the former wasn't around all that long.  What caught your nod of attention after Calhoun's departure?

Thanks.  

I watched from 1978/79 to the end of 1983, and from 1990-1998.  I didn't see the Dana/Looney Rae Rooney stuff (late 1989) until a year or so ago.  I watched all of 1989 retroactively.

89-92 were pretty good to me.  I think there were enough characters to cover.  The Beth Is Alive story gave a film noir vibe. The gaslighting storyline with Rusty/Mindy vs Will was well done.  I think Kimberly Simms had good chemistry with whomever she was paired up with.  I didn't care for Johnny/Chelsea per se, but their relationship had good chemistry and the stalker storyline was well thought out.  I thought the Roger getting into the Spaulding family caused good ripple effects to other storylines.  The Vanessa/Billy/Nadine triangle was well done.  Billy's drinking problem was well done.  I even liked the storyline for Reva with her driving off the bridge and the storylines that rippled from that. 

I didn't like them adding Hart. However, he fit in well with the whole Bridget/Hart/Julie storyline.  Then they kept aging him up when he didn't meet the timeline with the first Hart in the first place.

The storyline with Daniel St John being a murderer made no sense to me.

Rick Hearst was a great Alan-Michael, but he was a totally different Alan-Michael.  It was jarring with Harley and the Bauer family. 

Then the Cooper family expanded and so many main characters from 1992 left. I hated Buzz.  It should have stuck to Jenna creating a father/daughter bond with Henry vs her bizarre relationship with Roger. 

1994 is when it started going off the rails. Roger and Holly being paired up made no sense to me. Blake having no life apart from Ross. She became part of Frank's fake detective agency that did nothing. The focus on the newspaper and WSPR fading into the background. 

Edited August 4Aug 4 by MLH

31 minutes ago, MLH said:

Rick Hearst was a great Alan-Michael, but he was a totally different Alan-Michael.  It was jarring with Harley and the Bauer family. 

Here's my theory for why this happened:

Alan was no longer on the canvas, Phillip was reunited with Beth, so the obvious contender to take Alan's place as the Spaulding manipulator was AM.

Before, he was used by Harley (up to a point) and Blake. Later, he manipulated Eleni into marriage, which was a classic Alan type of thing to do.

Now I'm realizing why I despised that story so much, because AM was a sweet guy in the beginning. They should have emphasized his Bauer lineage instead. Pulled in one direction by the shiny things on the Spaulding side, pulled the other way by Bauer values. 

So yeah, they changed the character, and IMO, they shouldn't have.