34 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

Ohhh I am (currently) haha. Seeing him today, I'm not as into him, but he was a looker back in the 90s. It made the Lonatrat storyline easier to get through   

I don't know.  Maybe, due to me liking the first Hart the best.  I don't get why they didn't keep Jeff Phillips. It was bad enough the writers suddenly didn't care about how old Hart would have to be to make the story work. I could see Jeff Phillip's Hart as being a down to earth farmer. 

I am just trying to get how Frank's version of Hart (who is obviously near 30) being Roger's son. 

Then I looked up ages and my mind is blown how Zaslow was 27 years older than Wendy and Toby!  Heck, I didn't know that Michelle Forbes was only 22 in 1987 when her role started. 

Come to think of it, Bridget was playing a teen at 24/25 and Michelle was playing a psychiatrist at 24.  Crazy!

6 hours ago, MLH said:

When was that ever said?  Blake is the man eater (I am sure there are others I haven't seen in the later years that were), not Alexandra.

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But it may have been more about "neurotic" and not actually said "man-eater". Frankly, I didn't even understand, so I probably should just forget about it. You know 'fuggetabuotit".

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  On 3/31/2025 at 8:58 PM, P.J. said:

I understand---but (for lack of a better word) Alex could be extremely "hard" when it came to family. Alex really had no love for Billy, but even if she had, she would've still done anything she deemed necessary to protect a Spaulding (or the Spaulding business). I didn't feel that changed. Her actions were simply more extreme because she had found Lujack's twin. (sometimes I don't think she even saw Nick as his own person.)

I think the writers were morphing Alex into BM's previous character, Iris.  By making Alex more neurotic toward the men in her life -- sons, husbands, love interests, etc., and using those neurosis as her main motivations.  BM may have felt that Alex was becoming as difficult to play as Iris had been on Another World. And this would have been more challenging to sustain for the actress.    Just my opinion. 

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37 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Back the end of March

But it may have been more about "neurotic" and not actually said "man-eater". Frankly, I didn't even understand, so I probably should just forget about it. You know 'fuggetabuotit".

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Posted March 31

  On 3/31/2025 at 8:58 PM, P.J. said:

I understand---but (for lack of a better word) Alex could be extremely "hard" when it came to family. Alex really had no love for Billy, but even if she had, she would've still done anything she deemed necessary to protect a Spaulding (or the Spaulding business). I didn't feel that changed. Her actions were simply more extreme because she had found Lujack's twin. (sometimes I don't think she even saw Nick as his own person.)

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I think the writers were morphing Alex into BM's previous character, Iris.  By making Alex more neurotic toward the men in her life -- sons, husbands, love interests, etc., and using those neurosis as her main motivations.  BM may have felt that Alex was becoming as difficult to play as Iris had been on Another World. And this would have been more challenging to sustain for the actress.    Just my opinion. 

I didn't even agree with Bev about Alexandra.  I thought her character acted as any other main character on a soap.  It's not like she killed someone or raped a major character.

Holly kidnapped kids, Philip went crazy, Beth went crazy, Roger went crazy.  Her character got a great edit. IMO

Imagine playing a Roger Thorpe in the 1970s that raped/attempted rape several women. 

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My reply ended up in the wrong section somehow.

I didn't even agree with Bev about Alexandra.  I thought her character acted as any other main character on a soap.  It's not like she killed someone or raped a major character.

Holly kidnapped kids, Philip went crazy, Beth went crazy, Roger went crazy.  Her character got a great edit. IMO

Imagine playing a Roger Thorpe in the 1970s that raped/attempted rape several women. 

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Edited July 22Jul 22 by MLH

@MLHWell, to me, it's a problem to try to talk about Alex and Iris. I think of them as very different, separate, individual characters. The only thing I think they have in common is that they are both strong women. Iris is defined by her Daddy complex & Alex doesn't have one. 

15 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

@MLHWell, to me, it's a problem to try to talk about Alex and Iris. I think of them as very different, separate, individual characters. The only thing I think they have in common is that they are both strong women. Iris is defined by her Daddy complex & Alex doesn't have one. 

Alex had a daddy complex, but it was a very different one from the one Iris had.

I'm just going to say it: Iris was in love with Mac. Freud would have had a field day analyzing Iris.

Alex, OTOH, was in an abuser/victim relationship with her father. (So was Alan). I don't mean physical or sexual abuse. He mentally and emotionally abused his children.

The fact that she named her child after her abuser shows that she still desperately wanted her father to love her. IIRC, they also touched on that during the Barbados story. Even after he betrays her yet again, she shares positive memories of her relationship with her father with Victoria. 

Their relationship was mirrored in her relationship with Alan. One minute they loved each other, the next they stabbed each other in the back. 

I always wished they had built on this even more, but in the end, the replacements for Alan and Alex weren't really up to playing the nuances.

But her backstory was really well constructed, IMO, and, yes, she was very, very different from Iris.

1 hour ago, DeeVee said:

Alex had a daddy complex, but it was a very different one from the one Iris had.

I'm just going to say it: Iris was in love with Mac. Freud would have had a field day analyzing Iris.

Alex, OTOH, was in an abuser/victim relationship with her father. (So was Alan). I don't mean physical or sexual abuse. He mentally and emotionally abused his children.

The fact that she named her child after her abuser shows that she still desperately wanted her father to love her. IIRC, they also touched on that during the Barbados story. Even after he betrays her yet again, she shares positive memories of her relationship with her father with Victoria. 

Their relationship was mirrored in her relationship with Alan. One minute they loved each other, the next they stabbed each other in the back. 

I always wished they had built on this even more, but in the end, the replacements for Alan and Alex weren't really up to playing the nuances.

But her backstory was really well constructed, IMO, and, yes, she was very, very different from Iris.

What an amazing reply!!! And, you are so right. Not at all like Iris's obsession with Daddeeeee. But, still, a father thing. So, do we think their father was a monster? Possibly not. 

2 hours ago, MLH said:

@Contessa Donatella

My reply ended up in the wrong section somehow.

I didn't even agree with Bev about Alexandra.  I thought her character acted as any other main character on a soap.  It's not like she killed someone or raped a major character.

Holly kidnapped kids, Philip went crazy, Beth went crazy, Roger went crazy.  Her character got a great edit. IMO

Imagine playing a Roger Thorpe in the 1970s that raped/attempted rape several women. 

Another amazing reply!!!! I really am intrigued about this edit thing. Can you explain? 

3 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

@MLHWell, to me, it's a problem to try to talk about Alex and Iris. I think of them as very different, separate, individual characters. The only thing I think they have in common is that they are both strong women. Iris is defined by her Daddy complex & Alex doesn't have one. 

I never read or seen anything on Iris.

I think it would have been interesting to see Bev act with Ron Raines as Alan Spaulding.

2 minutes ago, MLH said:

I never read or seen anything on Iris.

OMG!!! We must rectify this. You mean you never watched any of AW? I guess not. I think you'd really like Iris.

2 minutes ago, MLH said:

I think it would have been interesting to see Bev act with Ron Raines as Alan Spaulding.

Interesting is probably the most correct word. Really, he would have been overmatched.

47 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Interesting is probably the most correct word. Really, he would have been overmatched.

I strongly suspect that if Bev had still been with the show, it's far less likely he would have been cast, for precisely this reason. 

52 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

OMG!!! We must rectify this. You mean you never watched any of AW? I guess not. I think you'd really like Iris.

Interesting is probably the most correct word. Really, he would have been overmatched.

Or made him elevate his performance?  

I just watched on the Archive the scene on 4/13/90 between Alex and Roger that blew me away!  Roger admitted he beat and raped Holly.  

I will try and look up Iris. 

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17 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

I strongly suspect that if Bev had still been with the show, it's far less likely he would have been cast, for precisely this reason. 

Oh, I bet you're right. No problem, he would be someone else. I wonder who?

19 minutes ago, MLH said:

I will try and look up Iris. 

Watch the video entitled, "Iris Confesses to Mac That She Was the Chief." 🙂 

1 hour ago, MLH said:

I think it would have been interesting to see Bev act with Ron Raines as Alan Spaulding.

I think Raines and McKinsey would have been a good match. I think his acting style would work much better with hers than Dusay's. 

6 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Watch the video entitled, "Iris Confesses to Mac That She Was the Chief." 🙂 

I think Raines and McKinsey would have been a good match. I think his acting style would work much better with hers than Dusay's. 

That's a different Iris. I'm getting some clips for him. Of Beverlee as Iris, not Carmen. Carmen, at this point would just confuse things.

31 minutes ago, MLH said:

Or made him elevate his performance?  

I just watched on the Archive the scene on 4/13/90 between Alex and Roger that blew me away!  Roger admitted he beat and raped Holly.  

I will try and look up Iris. 

Check your PM. 

30 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

No problem, he would be someone else. I wonder who?

I could see him emoting in courtroom scenes. Possibly a recast Mike Bauer?

7 hours ago, MLH said:

Then I looked up ages and my mind is blown how Zaslow was 27 years older than Wendy and Toby!  Heck, I didn't know that Michelle Forbes was only 22 in 1987 when her role started. 

Also MZ was 21 years older than Kimberley Simms. 1989-1997 he had four love interests 20+ years younger, two of whom at the time were like half his age (1995 MZ was 53 and Wendy Moniz was 26. 1996 MZ was 54 and Toby Poser was 27.)