So it has been reported in various soap mags that there is a cris/tragedy. SID reports this cris/tragedy involves Holden. Wonder what this means? All these newbies (like Janet's cliche mob family coming to town) and they are getting rid of a core family character? Is this to get Damian and Lily together? They can both leave town, take Luke with them too.

From Soap Central

http://www.soapcentral.com/atwt/scoop.php

Holden suffers a terrible fate.

Lily refuses to give up hope.

The Snyders receive a grim piece of evidence.

Are they getting rid of Jon H?

Would anyone care?

I'd hate to see this happen, because of the HUGE fan following Holden and Lily have. I can still remember watching their love story unfold back in the 80's when Martha Byrne was still playing the role. That was my intial exposure to her, to ATWT and to the Holden/Lily pairing. I liked Lily with Damian, but the Damian she fell in love with is not the same Damian we see today. I hope that the show would not kill off or do anything to Holden that would lead to the departure of Jon Hensley. But hey with Goutman I guess anything is possible!!!

He's not leaving the show. Just presumed dead. Again.

He's not leaving the show. Just presumed dead. Again.

Do you have any more details Mike? The presumed dead stories are so old. I would rather Holden be in a coma state or on the verge of dieing. I just wish Martha was in the role as Lily. The story would have so much more impact. Maybe with this spoiler and the Babs/James one the show will get back on track. I hope Emma is featured heavily in this story too.

Do you have any more details Mike? The presumed dead stories are so old. I would rather Holden be in a coma state or on the verge of dieing. I just wish Martha was in the role as Lily. The story would have so much more impact. Maybe with this spoiler and the Babs/James one the show will get back on track. I hope Emma is featured heavily in this story too.

I don't. Sorry, RH. All I know is it's a presumed-dead story but I have no idea what the details are.

I think people are sentimentally attached to Holden and Lily. But Martha Byrne's Lily. Holden's truly been dead to me for the last year. Beck's "Lily", but she hasn't won me over. I suppose if Holden "dies" there'll be some outcry, but for his character, not because "Holden and Lily" are headed for the rocks again.

Would anyone care?

Yes, there would be many people that care.

I think a lot of people would care if something happened to Holden.

Do you have any more details Mike? The presumed dead stories are so old. I would rather Holden be in a coma state or on the verge of dieing. I just wish Martha was in the role as Lily. The story would have so much more impact. Maybe with this spoiler and the Babs/James one the show will get back on track. I hope Emma is featured heavily in this story too.

If Holden were on screen in a Coma/dying Lily would not be able to jump into bed with Damian. I would assume tptb think this would be a popular move but nothing is more repulsive. Martha's Lily in this story would be great and I could careless of Noelle's her version of Lily means nothing to the past or present of ATWT.

BTW, love your screen name. Loved the Ruxton Hills fire story on ATWT, which was once a finely written show.

I think people are sentimentally attached to Holden and Lily. But Martha Byrne's Lily. Holden's truly been dead to me for the last year. Beck's "Lily", but she hasn't won me over. I suppose if Holden "dies" there'll be some outcry, but for his character, not because "Holden and Lily" are headed for the rocks again.

I agree that most people are sentimentally attached to Holden & Lily. I wasn't around to see the beginning of their story, but I've been watching ATWT for nearly a decade and have never found them exciting. They're like the family member you don't care to keep in touch with but if they suddenly died, you would be shocked and upset out of instinct. There's comfort and stability with this couple, but no passion. I also found MB's Lily to be really bland and childish. Maybe it was the lack of good storylines they were giving her, but I just always preferred Rose to Lily.

While I love Noelle Beck's Lily and am totally shipping Lily & Damian, it's lazy writing to have Holden presumed dead. I don't want Holden dead, I just wish they would find someone who suits him better. He's bland as wallpaper with Lily. I wish they could hook him up with Carly again when Maura West comes back.