Members Cashton Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 OK - you're clearly a bigger Lauren Fenmore fan than I! From my piddling memory the only s/l that she's "lead" in the past 5 years has been a Sheila s/l. She chose to be with Y&R on recurring when she came back or so she told the press. I'd like to see more Lauren too for what it's worth. And I hate to tell you this, but in some states dead fetuses are incenerated. I don't know what you would expect a guy to do with a dead fetus. Perhaps bury it and give it a funeral? And again, Adam didn't mean to make Ashley lose that baby. Is he a bad guy - yes, but like everyone seems to call Adam, a psycho, I think he can still be part of long-term story on this show. They have showed Patty being extremely remorseful for hurting Summer, even making even poorer decisions as a result of the stress she's under - the Victor hug today for example. As have they showed Adam being remorseful for causing Ashley's miscarriage. Adam's desperate and every bit as dark as his father was and does have the potential to be. It just seems like they are crafting characters that are interesting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 She's probably talking about the new characters she keeps bringing on even though the show is facing financially tough times. Oh and Noah, Neil, Devon, JT and Victoria have been used 4 times this month instead of once. She writes for the same people and for some writes the same scenes over and over again. She also starts and stops stories that go nowhere. She brought up Devon's father not knowing about him with the appearance of Della Reese in May and then nothing. She now seems to be shelving the Noah wants emancipation story which was BS to start with since Noah claims his parents don't let him see Eden and yet Eden is lucky to be on screen once a month. The Neil/Tyra story is played once every two weeks just like the Neil/Karen story. Is Gloria and Jeff blackmailing Victor still? Now I could care less about most of these stories, but if you are going to start them then play them at least once a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Yes, I am a big Lauren Fenmore fan and don't expect her to get lead story, but having her off screen for nearly two months is wrong after being off all of March. She has her fans and is a proven vet, so use her. If Murphy can be in scenes regularly so can Lauren. Show her supporting her family and Phyllis if you don't have a story for her now. I have not seen Patty being remorseful or Adam for that matter. If they were truly sorry they would not keep hurting the same people they supposedly are sorry for hurting. Was Patty remorseful when she said about Summer being in a coma, that sometimes you have to crack some eggs to get an omelette and then drawing Summer some bizarre get well card with her stuffed cat on it? That just shows me she is a loon. And the hug today was to get Victor's wallet not because she is falling apart. I think they could have saved MJ before her poisoning of Summer but not anymore. The fetus was not medical waste, it represented Ashley's hopes and dreams. And Adam not only had to burn the fetus, he had to clean up Ashley which I don't even want to think about. Adam hiring a molestor to be Ashley's OB/GYN shows litte remorse. Do you know how many times a woman must get checked out (think stirrups) when she is pregnant and to think that her OB is a molestor is disgusting. Who are they writing this show for? I agree there are different types of viewers and obvious we have different tolerances for this kind of story, but I have to wonder if this show is so worried about showing a gay kiss that they need to cut away on even a tame scene like today, why would they think the majority of their audience would be on board with some of these stories as of late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Keep the faith that a change will come under a new writing regime soon enough, lmfan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lmfan Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Not much faith anymore, but I'll give it end of the summer. I am a teacher and have extra time in the summer so we'll see. Signing MTS was a step in the right direction, and I actually would be ok with them just letting Sheffer go since I think he is at the heart of the really ugly stories I detest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Not to go off-topic but none of us know any of the reasons - yet we speculate. The show has obviously pushed the envelope lately in its provocative s/l's and there's hard-evidence that people will stop watching if there is homosexual activity on a show - Ellen, the sitcom for example. some people are really upset with the stories, and some people love them. People watch far darker stories in primetime. I happen to like Y&R cause it's not boring and predictable to me and stuff happens every day. If anything is ruining Y&R for me it's the spoilers. I think if a lot of these s/l's weren't analyzed and debated in advance of them airing, people might enjoy the ride a bit more. i wish i knew how to quit DC's spoilers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 MAB seems fond of these "ugly stories" or else she wouldn't let them slip through as much as she does. She's the one with the producing credit and she did say the show was, "my show and my vision." Maria, Hogan, and Scott are a toxic trio that this she needs to rid itself of. Maria = Inexperienced, dull, and aimless as hell. Also loves pointless stories involving art Hogan = Likes to go too far, especially with villains. His stories often end up lacking substance and pacing has always been an issue with him. Scott Hamner = Loves his murders, stolen money, and weak woman stories. He's also Lynn Marie Latham's biggest henchmen. Maria claimed she wanted to rid the show of LML's influences, yet she kept her closest professional friend? Um, that makes no sense. Who thought this would be any sort of "dream team" for this show? I'm holding out faith that this writing regime will be replaced by the end of the year or the start of the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted July 8, 2009 Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 Yep. Gotta love Heather "Nancy Drew" Stephens. Yeah, where's Jill's story? She's working at a friggin NAIL SALON for crying out loud. Is this what Jess Walton re-signed for? Really? And also, I was just thinking, Lynn Herring mentioned she auditioned for recast Jill. Let's say she landed the role. She's like, 51 or something. And Thom Bierdz looks like he's 60... Thank God Jess decided to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 8, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 8, 2009 I posted this in the main episode thread, but it deserves to be posted here: MAB seems fond of these "ugly stories" or else she wouldn't let them slip through as much as she does. She's the one with the producing credit and she did say the show was, "my show and my vision." Maria, Hogan, and Scott are a toxic trio that this she needs to rid itself of. Maria = Inexperienced, dull, and aimless as hell. Also loves pointless stories involving art Hogan = Likes to go too far, especially with villains. His stories often end up lacking substance and pacing has always been an issue with him. Scott Hamner = Loves his murders, stolen money, and weak woman stories. He's also Lynn Marie Latham's biggest henchmen. Maria claimed she wanted to rid the show of LML's influences, yet she kept her closest professional friend? Um, that makes no sense. They all have playing their favourite character heavily at the expense of others and misogynistic stories in common. Who thought this would be any sort of "dream team" for this show? I'm holding out faith that this writing regime will be replaced by the end of the year or the start of the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members lmfan Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 You know Mark, sometimes you give this show too many passes. It's not about money. It is about playing favorites and the ABC'ing of Y&R. If they had real money issues, so much that they couldn't even use a 25 yr vet for an appearance a week, then why are they bringing on actors from other shows and going after GL name stars? Why do they keep adding more and more actors when the canvas is already overstuffed. It's about focusing on younger actors and characters and keeping enough vets around to appease people and giving the same characters all the story. And if she wants to clear the canvas of a character like Lauren Fenmore, then MAB needs to stop playing games with her audience and her actors. Don't lead them on then ignore them for months. Have the guts to let these actors know what is going on and take their calls. Then write them an exit story than is worthy of someone who has been on the show for so long. What's her big plan for Lauren? Oh, I get it. Let's keep her off screen for months and minimize her as much as possible so people forget about her and her son. Afterall we have Murphy and Katherine now, who needs Lauren and Michael. Then let's have Michael be nothing more than a prop lawyer, the John Silva of today. And instead of writing them some conflict will just have Lauren leave some day because of some family crisis and she and Michael will develop marital difficulties and divorce off screen. Who cares about Michael's issues with being a good father and husband? Who cares that they have been happily together for five years. If they can bring Philip back from the dead, it's nothing to ask the fans to believe than a happy marriage would fall apart off screen. Then once they conveniently rid themselves of Michael's wife and son, they can turn him all dark and angry and match him up with a recasted Victoria or if Rafe or another younger actor clicks as the new lawyer, ship him off to Lauren and Fen. Who cares about talent or history with this show. And you know what is sad. Most of the audience will buy it and say it is all about money. I hope people are as accepting of these changes when their favorite vets are moved out. Because this is just the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cashton Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 How can you speak with such certainty that you know the thoughts, plans and agenda of the people running the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 9, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 No offense Mark, but she does have a point here... There is no sound explanation or rationalization for any of this. Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted July 9, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 Mark, this has been going on for over a year now, long before the cuts to the show's franchise fee were made. It's not all about money, it may be a part of it, but these problems were there before. And as you've said, they haven't done a good job or properly paring down the canvas. Is this good managing skills? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members brimike Posted July 9, 2009 Members Share Posted July 9, 2009 lmfan - Actually, I'm not blowing smoke up your ass here - you're totally right. Along with Victoria and JT's absence, Lauren's absence throughout the week has also been noticeable. I let it go the first few days (we all complained about Victor/Nikki not being there, but they showed up on Day Two), but you're right - now it's inexcusable. Lauren ABSOLUTELY should have been there for a scene or two with Phyllis (maybe even Sharon too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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