Y&R: Week of June 15-19, 2009

[MarkH]

Yeah, but Restless Style has stagnated.

They "delayed a month" to feature the wedding issue.

It is clear that is falling to the wayside, and the real-life tie-in is clearly not worth it anymore.

So that will be gone soon.

I figure JT will divorce Victoria soon, and then he'll go back to Restless Style, proclaiming "I want my f*cking loft back!".

Is he storing his hockey stick at the door of the house he shares with Viki? I think he is...

[cara mia]

Well, I know you didn't mean to slam me but I said "carefully plot" out. I think Goutman thinks basic plotting is beyond him. And clearly it is!

I don't mind the plot holes too much -- I am more concerned about characters acting "out of character". The Huntington Disease thing doesn't bother me as long as Nina, Jill and Kay are acting like Nina, Jill and Kay.

[MarkH]

For the most part -- and this is a huge change from the second half of LML's reign -- all the characters are still recognizably themselves.

JT and Victoria are not, and Mikey and Lauren are pod-people/perfect-parents...but most of the canvas seems consistent to me.

[JackPeyton]

YES!

They need to do this for all characters. All races, male and female, gay/bi/str8, etc... It would make for much more compelling soap.

I hate that all soaps for the most part isolate AA characters. More than any other kind of race, IMHO. Across soaps Latino characters are all over the place, but AA characters seem to be kept together. Its obvious and its wrong and it NEEDS to be fixed. I was watching old clips from Days and ATWT and they had both newly introduced AA characters, i forget what soaps, but one had a married couple but they were friends with other characters, they were bein used in more than one isolated storyline. Please soaps, go back to this! And cast good actors!!

YES! I love it!

I want both. And more.

I want them in all kinds of storylines. Leading roles, supporting roles, minor roles, recurring roles, guest roles. Bad guys, god girls, heroines, vixens. All of it. And i want them moved around. Certin roles, i just dont understand why they wouldnt/couldnt cast an AA (or even any other race) in it. Unless its the child of an on screen couple or the family relations call them to be white. Daniel on Days is a good example.

This could be great.

I read it, i agree fully with what you said.

I really dont want this to sound wrong... but if its that bad, if you hate everything about it, if its disappointing, if you see no hope.... then why continue watching? IM honestly wondering.

[Soapsuds]

I thought they were outstanding today.

[JackPeyton]

Soaps were able to do it for decades, there is no reason they cant now.

Its not to hard, TPTB are too lazy.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

It's part of my daily routine and I do like many of the actors. I keep hoping that a better and more consistent writing regime will take over one day, no matter how unlikely that is now.

I think this show is in a horrible state at the moment, but it's one of my shows, and I can't easily stop watching. Many of these actors and characters have become apart of my daily life through years of watching them.

[Soapsuds]

Exactly!! Or they simply don't give a damn anymore.

[typoprone]

I think the problem is that it's too difficult for MAB, Sheffer, Hamner, and co. to carefully plot out 5 hours a week. They should quit their jobs, hang their heads in shame, and/or kill themselves for their incompetence.

[Cashton]

And the production values are still just spectacular. In fact, they've gotten even better since PR got there. Seeing new spots of sets we've seen for years is always cool. New lighting - and updating the old music scores. And to echo your point about characters, they are the indentity of the show to me - not the stories. That's another big difference between my POV and others I think. The characters are all acting like they have for years - save a few. And they're all played by the same people too. So it's easy for me to accept different types of stories.

[rhythmchyc]

The "douche" asks the "psycho" to watch Summer at the end of this clip (from Thursday's US episode). So friggin' lame. Nothing against the little girl but can MJ just DO something already?

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Word.

[lmfan]

I can enjoy any story if well written and well acted, but I do have preferences.

Anyone feel like the writers write Lily and Cane's relationship as some parody of love as seen by someone in their teens? They just feel so unreal especially at their wedding and honeymoon. Cane's behavior when he was jumping out of his skin and smiling that creepy smile at his wedding followed by the overly sacharine honeymoon made me feel like the writers are actually making fun of the Lane fans instead of catering to them.

Then when they get them all happy about their couple, they will drop the hammer and destroy it all with Cane's lies and Lily's problems conceiving. And the acting doesn't help. CK just doesn't emote. She gets told her pap smear is irregular and her reaction, is oh well and she is just sad she is not pregnant five minutes after she was married. And did Liv actually give her niece the pap smear? Ugh, I can't imagine a relative let alone an aunt doing that and all of a sudden Olivia is an OB/GYN.

[Cashton]

Welcome aboard! i'd like to introduce you to Y&RWorldTurner. You two should talk!

I love matchmaking!

[JackPeyton]

Thank you.

I totally understand that and am glad to hear you at least have some kind of hope.

I feel for you. I know the feeling. I mean a few years ago i hated Days (my main soap my entire life) off it was so bad.