Members MarkH Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 YUP. Not a single mention of Victoria on that list. I think that was a LML decision, and he's been kind of doomed by it ever since. Why do you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Whatever Thad, when you're let go next, don't act like you didn't see it coming. I hate JT and this version of Victoria. I think they should both be written out and Victoria should later come back to town as either Gina Tognoni or Heather Tom. JT has been out of the Mac/Billy orbit for so long that I don't want to see it revisited. I can hardly stand this Mac/Billy revisitation right now, let alone JT being put into that energy sucking storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Has a complete year and a half of nothing not taught us already that they don't intend to use him? Unless that one-episode-Colleen-thing counts? I don't think so. Both of these characters are doomed, and as I already said---they're not even Victoria and J.T. Both of those characters disappeared a long time ago. I can't recognize whoever has taken over their bodies. Yes! I already feel so sick of waiting on Heather Tom while she feels so comfortable playing boring Katie on that show, so I guess Gina Tognoni is our only hope. Then maybe they could bring on the Victoria/JT/Michael/Lauren stuff and finally have these people do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Isn't it obvious that MAB has no interest whatsoever in this character, along with many others? Almost half of the cast has nothing to do. Rather than properly develop certain characters, she'd rather place the same characters in rethread storylines over and over again. I might like most of these characters, but some variety would be welcomed once in a while. A better question is, why do MAB and company feel the need to keep this incarnation of Victoria on the show. Victoria is a core character who drove story FOR YEARS, now look at the watered down mess she's become and the incapable actress that plays the role. There's clearly no investment there by the writers of this show. They would rather keep the crap that isn't working than do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 I dont think he would act shocked at all, sounds like he pretty much sees it coming. Sad too, because JT should be fully used as a supporting character. He does have a connection with various cast ranging all over the spectrum and could easily be used in many ways. Thad is also a decent actor, great looking, and seems to be a great team player. As for Victoria i really dont think we will ever get what we want back. This is who the show made her into, and it seems to me like they have no desire to change it. Removing JT from his age group 100% was a huge mistake, placing him back there would be for the best IMHO. I also wouldnt mind a JT/Heather affair. or JT/Amber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Exactly. We have Victoria, J.T., Heather and "Colleen" just used as props with absolutely no intention of working on their character. A good writer should find a way to write for all of them. Any affair with J.T. would do good for the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 They don't even write for Victoria anymore, and when they do, they make her support some stupid storyline like this art crap. This is a core character with tons of history too. Yeah, the actress sucks and needs to be recast, but they don't even try with this character anymore. Victoria used to be the most dynamic of the Newman children, now her role on the show is that of a glorified dayplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Here we are in total agreement. It is obvious, JT and Victoria are underdeveloped, and this is not Victoria. Thad can still be the self-involved sexually selfish bad boy. It would take some work at this point...but a disappointed JT could be achieved by ( 1 ) continued emasculation by Victoria, and ( 2 ) Victor revealing that Victoria's son Reed is NOT JT's (he in fact, as we all suspected, switched the paternity test revealing that Brad was the dad). With those two steps, an angry JT could spin out of the Newman orbit. And Thad -- not daytime's best actor -- but suitable for the task of the snarky lothario -- could be free to do his thing again. When Victoria learns that Victor did all this (switch tests) to spite Brad, she could leave town in a huff, and return as a recast later. I can hear folks saying -- and I AGREE -- "not ANOTHER paternity switch". So, to be clear...that isn't necessary. JT can simply get disillusioned and it would still work. But LML and early MAB/JG really really set up a Victor-test-switch when Reed was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Has anyone ever really been just waiting on HT to return? I hope not, because i honestly dont see it. I have to question even if she did would Victoria become the woman she should be - Victoria daughter - or just like she is now for the most part. I would hope they wouldnt keep Viki boring with someone like HT or GT in the role.. but i have to wonder... Y&R's biggest issue is its following GH's suit of having main characters and thats it. A few supporting players around them, but unless they live ina hosue with them or are sleeping with a main character everyone else is not used at all or seems pointless. Its sad, and the biggest thing wrong with this show. It use to be THE best at using the canvas, now they use 1/5th and the rest are all but forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 No more baby paternity switches, please. Exactly. Last year they used all of their characters okay (except the Winters family, but that was always like that), but this year they're having difficulty achieving any kind of good balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Yup. This is not set in stone. It can change. That said, if they're going to do housecleaning, I actually think JT/Victoria is one good place to start. Sigh. Luckinbill and Bloom. Blonde deliciousness. Awesome sexiness. It makes no story sense, except they're both "law and order" now, and JT worked with Paul/is friends with Paul. Victoria's character is assassination. I do not agree it has to stay this way. It just needs a recast. ONE SCENE. One scene between HT and Eric Braeden in conflict. That's ALL it would take. One scene. And Victoria would be BACK. One scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 There are SO many people they could clean and it would make no difference to us. Hmmmmm, seems interesting. The real question is if the writers would change the character at all, even with a recast. They could keep her just as bland with another actress filling the role. They have no interest in investing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 \ i actually think keeping JT reed's father would be much better. just have victoria become victoria agin and obsess with work and victor and everything leaving jt feeling left and alone and like he is the only one taking care of this kid. use that to drive them apart because that also frees victoria up from having to be a mother for the most part. im not saying have her hate and abadon her child or anything, but i could see JT being a fulltime dad and victoria doing weekends/holidays, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Actually, when Reed was born, they clearly set something up where it looked like Victor did something with the paternity results so that Brad wouldn't be the father. If they went there, I would probably accept it a lot more than any other paternity issue. Colleen should be recast and developed and they should try JT/Colleen again, if anything. Another big issue is why they keep the young Abbott family heroine, Colleen, with an actress that goes off to film outside projects for most of the year and makes like three appearances a month in throwaway scenes when she's on the show. Another core character that they aren't invested in, which is partly to blame on the actress. Instead of recasting and writing for this character, they'd rather keep her on contract and waste money and let her leave to do outside film projects. Tell me what sense is there in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 There is no sense. That contract is really a huge mystery and even though it must have been set up perfectly, why wouldn't have Maria tried to get rid of it? They're all too comfortable with such a bad actress. Again, this is the "not investing" part that is happening to many characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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