That's if you believe there was a "kissing ban." I don't.

As for Y&R or B&B, that's just catching up after the P&G soaps and AMC have forged the trail. Having gay characters now, years later, is not "on the edge of cultural change."

Don't shoot the messenger.

You can actually trace the first gay storyline back to Young and Restless, and then to Days of Our Lives. AMC and OLTL really took it and ran with it, though.

That's if you believe there was a "kissing ban." I don't.

Me neither. I've never believed there was a kissing ban. Everyone from CBS to P&G has always denied there was a kissing ban. I think that was just the over hyper Nuke fans who didn't have the patience to let the story to take it's natural course and made a mountain out of a molehill.

Doesn't B&B get credit for having tranny Donna frontburner for the past two years?

Best line of the whole thread!!!

:lol:

Best line of the whole thread!!!

Hmmmm. For that, we're gonna send her back to Y&R as Grace Turner, and make the writers deal with her again!

Hmmmm. For that, we're gonna send her back to Y&R as Grace Turner, and make the writers deal with her again!

I actually don't mind her as an actress, and I'm certainly not the kind of viewer to go to the "She's a man!" place that others do. Still though... that post made me literally laugh out loud.

That's if you believe there was a "kissing ban." I don't.

When the camera pans away from a couple about to kiss I imagine there's *something* going on there.

With a couple exceptions, CBS has always struck me as an old fashion conservative network. I am always surprised when their programming does something daring or different. I find their prime time line up to be completely formulaic and uninteresting, but it is does well so the audience must like these shows.

It is pretty clear that P&G is responsible for the kissing ban/s on ATWT and GL. CBS did not seem to have a problem with the gay story. Why would they? Most of the ads during these two soaps are for P&G products so it isn't like the network would lose ad revenue whatever happened. It was P&G that was afraid of a consumer boycott.

I don't think Y&R has ever really been conservative. The Bill Foster Euthanasia SL was one of the most grounbreaking things in daytime history.... and as far as CBS as a whole, let's not forget Maude's abortion. It has taken Y&R a LONG time to get around to a gay SL, but Bill WAS going to try it in 1977... he just did it too soon, and went about it in the WORST way possible. And it was a time when soaps were still primarily watched by women and gay men... and which one of those groups wants to watch lesbians? Neither one.

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When the camera pans away from a couple about to kiss I imagine there's *something* going on there.

Yup.

I don't think Y&R has ever really been conservative. The Bill Foster Euthanasia SL was one of the most grounbreaking things in daytime history.... and as far as CBS as a whole, let's not forget Maude's abortion. It has taken Y&R a LONG time to get around to a gay SL, but Bill WAS going to try it in 1977... he just did it too soon, and went about it in the WORST way possible. And it was a time when soaps were still primarily watched by women and gay men... and which one of those groups wants to watch lesbians? Neither one.

When the camera pans away from a couple about to kiss I imagine there's *something* going on there.

Yeah, I can't stand Nuke and even I thought that whole thing was messed up big time.