If Philip 4th not gay

. I'm waiting for all those ex Lame fans. To turn into LiP fans. I don't even have a name for them.

Suckers.

Again, I was very positive about this show from November to part of March. Since then, its all gone to hell.

I also realized that during when the show was more decent from November to March, there were lots of problems that MAB ignored, and that she still ignores. Like the horrible storytelling for the Winter's, the fact that characters like Nikki, Paul, Lauren, Michael, JT, Victoria, and others haven't been used much and have no storyline. Not mention, the ridiculous pacing of some storyline and the lack of romance and corporate intrigue. This has gone on for close to a year now, and it's not getting any better.

MAB blatantly ignores her biggest problems, and sorry, she's been there too long now for me to excuse them.

I think it's just a matter of taste and what an individual likes to watch. I personally LOVE corporate intrigue, but because the shows doesn't have it right now, doens't mean it's bad. (Just like I don't like liver and onions... but if you cooked them for me, that doesn't make you a bad cook) No writing for the Winters' family? no corporate intrigue? This show had ZERO black family OR corporate intrigue for the first ten years it was on... and it went from seventeenth place to third in the ratings. So what's your point?

Now you?

I do not like Cane and Lily. They are nauseating, boring, lack chemistry, their characterizations suck, yeah, Lily shouldn't be on her second marriage at 20 or 21 or whatever they want us to believe she is. Also, I do not think it was quite the time for them to get married.

And while I like TB, bringing Phillip III back from the dead when we saw him die takes a whole lot of suspension of belief, and if he's playing someone other than Phillip III, then this storyline will be an epic fail.

19 pages... and almost no episode talk.

Chloe & Billy was great to day. Too bad he's all about Mac.

I do not like Cane and Lily. They are nauseating, boring, lack chemistry, their characterizations suck, yeah, Lily shouldn't be on her second marriage at 20 or 21 or whatever they want us to believe she is. Also, I do not think it was quite the time for them to get married.

They never should have been conceived as a couple anyway. It was just another one of LML's sick ideas, but it's haunting us to this day.

And while I like TB, bringing Phillip III back from the dead when we saw him die takes a whole lot of suspension of belief, and if he's playing someone other than Phillip III, then this storyline will be an epic fail.

From what I've read, I'm pretty sure it's Phillip III. But don't take my word for it.

I do not like Cane and Lily. They are nauseating, boring, lack chemistry, their characterizations suck, yeah, Lily shouldn't be on her second marriage at 20 or 21 or whatever they want us to believe she is. Also, I do not think it was quite the time for them to get married.

And while I like TB, bringing Phillip III back from the dead when we saw him die takes a whole lot of suspension of belief, and if he's playing someone other than Phillip III, then this storyline will be an epic fail.

NOW THERE is post I can agree with! I think Kahlil just needs to GO. I can almost stand the chipmunk more than her (Soemtimes if I'm not looking at the screen, it's hard for me to tell them apart just by listening)

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

Chloe & Billy was great to day. Too bad he's all about Mac.

He's too much into Mac. I know she is the love of his life and everything, but he spent 6 years with other women and forgetting about Mac. He is almost stalking her every day.

I do not like Cane and Lily. They are nauseating, boring, lack chemistry, their characterizations suck, yeah, Lily shouldn't be on her second marriage at 20 or 21 or whatever they want us to believe she is. Also, I do not think it was quite the time for them to get married.

And while I like TB, bringing Phillip III back from the dead when we saw him die takes a whole lot of suspension of belief, and if he's playing someone other than Phillip III, then this storyline will be an epic fail.

See, I agree with BOTH of the elements above. TOTALLY. TOTALLY.

I think it's just a matter of taste and what an individual likes to watch. I personally LOVE corporate intrigue, but because the shows doesn't have it right now, doens't mean it's bad. (Just like I don't like liver and onions... but if you cooked them for me, that doesn't make you a bad cook) No writing for the Winters' family? no corporate intrigue? This show had ZERO black family OR corporate intrigue for the first ten years it was on... and it went from seventeenth place to third in the ratings. So what's your point?

What does the show in its first 17 years have to do with it today? What's YOUR point?

Y&R's has a black family on this show, and they've been doing corporate stories since the 80's. The last I checked, Jabot, Newman, and Chancellor still existed.

The show is IGNORING both of these things (and other things) and has been doing it for MONTHS.

If they have it, why are they not using it and haven't used it for months in a significant way? Huh? All it's doing is taking up space.

The show's past is not relevant at all in this regard, and it does nothing to prove your point.

He's too much into Mac. I know she is the love of his life and everything, but he spent 6 years with other women and forgetting about Mac. He is almost stalking her every day.

But I loved how he did his unmotivated BULLYING of Kevin. It fits a bit with their history (Scott Seymour's Billy and Kevin clashed, and it makes sense Billy would hate the guy who tried to deep-fry his niece), but it was unmotivated and unnecessary.

Thus, how LOVELY that Mac (defender of the downtrodden) heard that.

On the other hand, I'm joining the anti-CF bandwagon. Did you see her dance with Devon? Save for one glance at his eyes, she never looked at him. Unsmiling, she looked at the floor.

I wondered if the backstory is this: "Mac was raped in Darfur? She's a recent rape victim who hasn't told anyone what happened?" Because, honestly, that's about the only story I can accept right now for the way Mac is being played. She's positively autistic. I'm serious.

He's too much into Mac. I know she is the love of his life and everything, but he spent 6 years with other women and forgetting about Mac. He is almost stalking her every day.

The funny part of it all he didn't even do her to be about Mac breakdast, lunch, and dinner. If they do have sex I hope it's a let down for both.

The last I checked, Jabot, Newman, and Chancellor still existed.

Another big thing: we won't get a full-fledged business storyline during this reign.

On the other hand, I'm joining the anti-CF bandwagon.

She isn't working. She had enough time to prove herself. If she can't adapt to daytime, let her go.

Another big thing: we won't get a full-fledged business storyline during this reign.

Why do you think this?

I wondered if the backstory is this: "Mac was raped in Darfur? She's a recent rape victim who hasn't told anyone what happened?" Because, honestly, that's about the only story I can accept right now for the way Mac is being played. She's positively autistic. I'm serious.

Wasn't she almost rape by her stepfather? Maybe she still carrying on to that.

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by MoTheGreat

What does the show in its first 17 years have to do with it today? What's YOUR point?

Y&R's has a black family on this show, and they've been doing corporate stories since the 80's. The last I checked, Jabot, Newman, and Chancellor still existed.

The show is IGNORING both of these things (and other things) and has been doing it for MONTHS.

If they have it, why are they not using it and haven't used it for months in a significant way? Huh? All it's doing is taking up space.

The show's past is not relevant at all in this regard, and it does nothing to prove your point.

The past is ALWAYS relevant, the reignition of the Kay/Jill feud is proof positive of that, for Pete's sake, wer'e talking about a SL that has gone on since 1974 here! I think this sho's cast is too large, and it's characters' lives to varied for the writers to use every crayon in the box at all times, like you seem to want them to do. There WAS the power struggle with who was going to be the CEO of Jabot. And give it a couple months, more things will turn up. Your opinions just REEK of the MTV generation, where viewers have the patience of a tse-tse fly. I still haven't heard from you what kind of SL you'd consider to be "creative"... after 50 + years of soaps on TV, it's all just about been done before. Unless wer'e talking beastiality or cannablism.

Edited May 18, 200916 yr by alphanguy74