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2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

Over the decades, folks have come to accept the idea that Harding Lemay's era of AW was the show's best written period. While I give HL all the credit in the world for his work, Agnes Nixon really helped the show take off and (to me), her material on a par with Lemay's. I wish all fans of the soap had had the privilege of watching her stories play out.

As much as I loved Lemay's AW, it was far from perfect. So I'd suggest that Agnes Nixon's era was probably better. Lemay's AW was wonderful and full of character driven material, but Lemay's plots were infrequent and fairly weak. As I've mentioned before, Lemay's AW was almost plotless -- nearly to the point of being experimental television. Don't misunderstand, I was completely addicted to Lemay's AW. But it was because of his characters, not his plots. Watching AW everyday from 1971 to 1979, I was often frustrated by the lack of the distinct storylines played out on other soaps of that period. But I could not stop watching because Lemay's characters were so believable and compelling.

On the other hand, Nixon's work on AW was also character-driven, but did include normal soap opera plots with a beginning, a middle, and an end. So I will suggest Another World's golden age began when Agnes Nixon was hired as head-writer, continued through the Robert Cenadella era, and then the golden age ended in 1979, when Harding Lemay resigned as head-writer.

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52 minutes ago, Tisy-Lish said:

As much as I loved Lemay's AW, it was far from perfect. So I'd suggest that Agnes Nixon's era was probably better. Lemay's AW was wonderful and full of character driven material, but Lemay's plots were infrequent and fairly weak. As I've mentioned before, Lemay's AW was almost plotless -- nearly to the point of being experimental television. Don't misunderstand, I was completely addicted to Lemay's AW. But it was because of his characters, not his plots. Watching AW everyday from 1971 to 1979, I was often frustrated by the lack of the distinct storylines played out on other soaps of that period. But I could not stop watching because Lemay's characters were so believable and compelling.

On the other hand, Nixon's work on AW was also character-driven, but did include normal soap opera plots with a beginning, a middle, and an end. So I will suggest Another World's golden age began when Agnes Nixon was hired as head-writer, continued through the Robert Cenadella era, and then the golden age ended in 1979, when Harding Lemay resigned as head-writer.

Other than Rachel, who seems a little too one-note to me compared to Lemay's take on her, most of Nixon's run sounds more compelling to me just because I'm more drawn to many of those characters, especially that era of Liz, and Lahoma, and tragic Lee, etc.

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4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Other than Rachel, who seems a little too one-note to me compared to Lemay's take on her, most of Nixon's run sounds more compelling to me just because I'm more drawn to many of those characters, especially that era of Liz, and Lahoma, and tragic Lee, etc.

You are probably correct. Nixon wrote for Missy and Bill, then created the Alice and Steve love story. Two of AW's greatest romances. Lemay toned-down Liz, so she could essentially replace Mary (huge mistake). Clarice was Lemay's version of Lahoma.

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1 minute ago, Tisy-Lish said:

You are probably correct. Nixon wrote for Missy and Bill, then created the Alice and Steve love story. Two of AW's greatest romances. Lemay toned-down Liz, so she could essentially replace Mary (huge mistake). Clarice was Lemay's version of Lahoma.

Missy and Bill is another story I'd be fascinated to actually watch, along with Susan's stories.

I can see the Clarice and Lahoma link, even if Clarice seemed to be more of a B-character compared to her.

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Another thing about Lahoma is I think Lahoma Vane Lucas is one of the best soap names of all time.

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20 hours ago, Tisy-Lish said:

As much as I loved Lemay's AW, it was far from perfect. So I'd suggest that Agnes Nixon's era was probably better. Lemay's AW was wonderful and full of character driven material, but Lemay's plots were infrequent and fairly weak. As I've mentioned before, Lemay's AW was almost plotless -- nearly to the point of being experimental television. Don't misunderstand, I was completely addicted to Lemay's AW. But it was because of his characters, not his plots. Watching AW everyday from 1971 to 1979, I was often frustrated by the lack of the distinct storylines played out on other soaps of that period. But I could not stop watching because Lemay's characters were so believable and compelling.

I've always been fascinated by character delineation, exploration of interpersonal relationships and Chekhovian moments more than storyline mechanics, which is why I gravitated towards Lemay's work. I realize that my personal tastes probably fall outside the norm of what most folks enjoy about popular culture.

IMHO, Lemay's tenure on AW was so successful because he inherited the structure, framework and wonderful characters that Irna Phillips and particularly Agnes Nixon had set up. His continuation and expansion of AN's world flourished via his focus on life vignettes over plot points. But without the strong structure and characters he inherited, I wonder how well HL's AW would have been received on its own. None of the other soaps he wrote ever gained the ratings and devotion that AW did when Lemay was working within the parameters created by two legendary writers, and focusing on the beloved characters those women had developed.

And, tellingly, as he started dismantling and brushing aside so much of his predecessors' contributions to the show in the second half of the 1970s, the soap's ratings and popularity began to dwindle.

I truly believe that Nixon's groundwork and set-up had a lot to do with Lemay's being a success at AW because she had left him all the ingredients for success.

His Strange Paradise, Search for Tomorrow and Lovers & Friends lacked the magical ingredients to jell, and...did not.

20 hours ago, Tisy-Lish said:


On the other hand, Nixon's work on AW was also character-driven, but did include normal soap opera plots with a beginning, a middle, and an end. So I will suggest Another World's golden age began when Agnes Nixon was hired as head-writer, continued through the Robert Cenadella era, and then the golden age ended in 1979, when Harding Lemay resigned as head-writer.

While I agree that when he was at his best, Lemay's work was stellar, but (IMHO), his writing started deteriorating a few years before his exit from AW in 1979.

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3 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

While I agree that when he was at his best, Lemay's work was stellar, but (IMHO), his writing started deteriorating a few years before his exit from AW in 1979.

Was he seriously writing all the way to 1979? I'm shocked. The writing was so good up until 1975 and so bad afterwards, I just assumed there were two different writers responsible.

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16 minutes ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

Was he seriously writing all the way to 1979? I'm shocked. The writing was so good up until 1975 and so bad afterwards, I just assumed there were two different writers responsible.

He said himself that he began bowing to pressure of melodrama in his last few years and wasn't happy with it.

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21 minutes ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

Was he seriously writing all the way to 1979? I'm shocked. The writing was so good up until 1975 and so bad afterwards, I just assumed there were two different writers responsible.

Yes, Lemay was head-writer until 1979. And under his pen in 1978, Another World hit number one in daytime ratings. This was during the climax of the "Sven" storyline which Lemay did not enjoy writing, but the audience absolutely devoured it.

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49 minutes ago, Reverend Ruthledge said:

Was he seriously writing all the way to 1979? I'm shocked. The writing was so good up until 1975 and so bad afterwards, I just assumed there were two different writers responsible.

Yes, he remained at AW until 1979.

I agree his work was stellar during the first few years of his tenure (1971-1975), but then his writing seemed to become inconsistent; good points mixed in with bad.

Unfortunately, he got weaker towards the end of his run. Even Lemay, himself, acknowledged that he got burned out.

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13 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

Yes, he remained at AW until 1979.

I agree his work was stellar during the first few years of his tenure (1971-1975), but then his writing seemed to become inconsistent; good points mixed in with bad.

Unfortunately, he got weaker towards the end of his run. Even Lemay, himself, acknowledged that he got burned out.

In his book he talks about how gradually over time he stopped hiring sub-writers in order to just do everything himself. I don't know how accurate that is but I wonder how that timeline might line up with a decline in quality.

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