The Politics Thread

[Vee]

 

 

[Vee]

 

I'm sure you're wondering "but Vee, is there more Mark Robinson news?" The answer is yes.

 

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Good thread:

 

[Soapsuds]

Great speech!!

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[Vee]

Surprising results from Trafalgar:

 

[Wendy]

Apparently, MAGA knuckle draggers are now thanking Joe on TwitX for calling them the real garbage floating.

He's right, of course. But they are now crowing how that cost Kamala the election. Frankly, I'd laugh after the Nazi rally at MSG, but then I think of the Clinton "basket of deplorables" deal, and...well, who the hell knows anymore?

Guess a week from tonight will tell the tale.

[Vee]

Not what he was saying. He was taken out of context from his full remarks (which were referring to the MSG speeches), which were quoted by Times reporters and he has already gone out to clean it up.

I'm sure we'll hear the usual overblown predictions of doom from credulous anchors and the right, but it's not gonna go anywhere serious.

[DRW50]

I feel like there's already a lot which shows how much he's still in this (polling, early voting, reports of lack of motivation for her in some swing states like Michigan, the tone of her campaign over the last week having to lean so much into fascism and focusing on him which suggests she or her campaign may not have much confidence in themselves), so I don't think it's right to blame everything on him, but, misconstrued or not, the timing was absolutely perfect for Trump and for the media.

They were tired of the MSG story and can now motivate his supporters as well as anyone who was wavering and the brain dead "undecideds" who love shiny objects. This is the exact type of story that the Beltway press loves. It's something they can pin on the wall as the "moment" Trump won, so that will make their job easier. It frames the conversation to a place where Trump and his supporters look like badasses fighting back against the elite world of Biden and Harris. It also means Harris will have to face question after question asking whether she thinks Trump supporters are garbage. It's deplorables all over again.

 

Edited October 30, 2024 by DRW50

[Wendy]

Eh. I'm not sure this is all that bad after MSG. And polling is...well...it's been wrong before. It can be again.

Anyway, timeline cleanse! Randy Rainbow has another video. Imagine a mashup of, of all songs, "Xanadu" and..."In The Year 2525". Unlikely? Yes. But it works!

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[Vee]

The MSG story was less than 48 hours ago and is still huge. There is no way this is going to get nearly that amount of traction, I'm sorry. Especially not after major reporters like Lemire directly carrying Biden's clarification.

And at this point there are as many strong confidence reports out of the Harris campaign in the news as the Politico concern trolling reports - one is not automatically more valid than the other. Same with the good polling/EV numbers that have been quoted here; are they just to be discounted? We can weave a narrative from anything, but there's no need to automatically take the Trump campaign/right wing framework at total face value.

I will forever pass on Randy Rainbow.

Edited October 30, 2024 by Vee

[Wendy]

Yeah, you know the right is flailing when the uber-tired "Let's Go, Brandon!" is trending on TwitX. Especially since the man is not even in the running.

Kinda wish I had popcorn.

[Vee]

It's gonna be a two day thing tops. They'll try to get it going to maximize the horse race but there's really not much there, and it's honestly too late anyway. But I'm not surprised at all that Alex Thompson, Rachael Bade and Politico/Axios are breathlessly trying to make it an endzone goal overnight. Bade especially (and both outlets in general) have always been in the tank for the GOP, and Thompson, who lost a book deal re: Biden, purely has it out for Biden and now Harris. I have no idea what he's going to do when/if we win. Maybe go looking for Kamala's old neighbors and HS classmates.

If anything it gives Harris an interesting opening to distinguish herself from Joe - something some corners are so eager on - though Joe has already addressed it.

[DRW50]

I keep seeing reports on things not going well in EV in Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, etc. There is still the Blue Wall, hopefully, but having to count on them makes me wary as polling is so tight (many even having him up), and Trump outperformed polling the last two times he ran. So much favors Trump in this environment that any distraction hurts Harris. The day that should have been about her closing speech, her moment, becomes about Biden's comments and allows for an easy hook for Trump supporters. I think it's sad that the media laps this up, but I do think they will, because this is their dream come true.

Edited October 30, 2024 by DRW50