Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 The thing with Mariah, she's so desperate for commercial success that she'll never take chances musically, and I don't expect her too anytime soon. In the 90's when ballad heavy material was loved by radio and the general pop audience in America, she and Sony decided to market her to that audience and it was successful. However, hip-hop/R&B has progressively become the dominating trend in American popular music over the past decade or so, and Mariah's been one of the first to cash in on it. She does trendy music that's of its time, some like that and she does have some good songs from whatever albums she's releasing, but when I look at her through the eyes of a critic she has very little artistic credibility. That whispery-voice has got to go, ugh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted April 7, 2008 Members Share Posted April 7, 2008 Co-Sign Alvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Actor87 Posted April 8, 2008 Members Share Posted April 8, 2008 last-muzic.blogspot has the album compressed in one of those little auto players. I love "Bye Bye" and "O.O.C."! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted April 8, 2008 Members Share Posted April 8, 2008 Why all the mariah hate? I have loved mariah since I was in elementary school, I'm definantly buying this album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheDSA Posted April 8, 2008 Members Share Posted April 8, 2008 I got the album when it leaked. It is FIYAH! I can't stop listening to it. At first, i didn't think it was going to match up with Mimi but I am really loving this right now. There are a lot of standout tracks that radio would eat up. I've already played Side Effects 35 times in the past 2 days. I will be pissed if its not a single. My only gripe was that there was too much Jermaine. He's been in a creative slump, thus his songs are the weakest on the album. However, even his tracks are starting to grow on me. Butterfly is still my fav. I think she took more chances. It's also lyrically superior. I don't fault her for going in an R&b/Urban direction. That's what pop music is today. This is why she's lasted so long in this business. Honestly, I'm glad that she isnt making records like Musicbox anymore. That shizz would bore the hell at of me. I would like for her next album to be more reminiscent of Butterfly. I think that after Mimi and MC2, she will have rebuilt her fanbase enough so that she wont have to rely solely on records that cater to the trend of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted April 8, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 8, 2008 Not an issue with me. If I want artistic credibility, I listen to other people. I just like her; besides, there are various types of artists – she's highly commercialised, others are not. I'm OK with that. She just never aspired to be an artistic authority – had she been aspiring to that before and then all of a sudden changed to trendy R&B, this would be an issue. Since she hadn't been doing that... You two need to get married ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted April 8, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 8, 2008 Just like I said... I'm so glad you like it. Precisely! So did I! And it will be a single, I strongly believe that. And then once again she'll be in the no. 1 spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted April 8, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 8, 2008 For the Record is also on fire. When I'm looking in your eyes Feels like the first time Give me one good reason why We can't just press “rewind” I don't wanna spend my life Thinkin what it coulda been like If we had another try (one time) Like back in the day That look on your face Feels like the first time For the record You'll always be a part of me No matter what you do And for the record Can't nobody say I didn't give my all to you And for the record I told you underneath the stars that you belong to me And for the record It's obvious that we just can't let go of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted April 11, 2008 Members Share Posted April 11, 2008 The skank lost her talent and appeal in the late 90's. I adored her then, now I detest everything about her. She really needs to hang up her microphone before she embarrasses herself even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 11, 2008 Members Share Posted April 11, 2008 I don't buy any of her albums but like some of her songs...that being said, she seems to have lost her touch at singing and should just give it up, as Shawn suggests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted April 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 21, 2008 A very good review with some excellent points: Drug formula Whatever drugs Mariah Carey’s taking are doing wonders for her music. Actually, what am I saying, “whatever drugs”? It’s obvious that she’s on the pot, or that she wants you to think she is – an inhaled “sssssss” kicks off the best song, “I’m That Chick,” on her best album, E=MC². And then: “Ooh wee!" is repeated enough to make this slow-burning disco come off like the shadier cousin of Rick James’ “Mary Jane.” Weed imagery dominates her boasts (“Boy I got you caught up inside of my haze,” “You’re fiendin’ to blaze up and taste me,” “You ain’t seeing things or hallucinating,” “Pull me in and breathe,” “I’m like that uptown haze them real thugs blaze / We’ll touch the sky…”), as though delusion is her artistic medium And, duh: of course she’s high. I can’t imagine anything but marijuana driving her to the destination of this album’s title, which, in long form stands for Emancipation = Mariah Carey (squared). That sort of nonsense-logic is the thing of tokers and children, and image-wise, Mariah is both. (And seriously, even when you spell it all out, what the [!@#$%^&*] does “Emancipation = Mariah Carey (squared)” even mean? Is that, like, a two-second review of The Emancipation of Mimi? Is it her coy way of simultaneously announcing that this album is its sequel and that she doesn’t understand exponents? And if so, she so high that she thinks her “2” needs to be up there with her?) Whatever, though, tracks like “Chick” and “I’ll Be Lovin’ U Long Time” are sonic euphoria, career-highs that are so clean, you could snort off them. And then, the paranoia sets in and it clings to this album like patchouli on Like a Prayer. I count no fewer than six rewrites of her relevance-reigniting megahit, “We Belong Together” (in sequential order: “I Stay in Love,” “Love Story,” “Last Kiss,” “Thanx 4 Nothin’,” “For the Record” and “Bye Bye”). These tracks, I assume, are intended to be hit insurance and as such, suggest that the memory of Glitter and the ensuing pop gutter hasn’t faded a bit. Between its pop hits, Emancipation flirted with a live, full-band feel; E=MC²'s motif, in total contrast, is the plastic boom-tick of the 808-ballad. Not that I'm complaining -- to rewrite "We Belong Together" is to rewrite "Breakdown," a track forward-thinking enough to still bear repeating. The best of these fast slow jams is the Bryan Michael Cox co-produced “For the Record,” which skirts sounding like it’s stuck in the past via futuristic chimes, whooshes, thwacks and pseudo-strings. (Incidentally, Cox is also responsible for “I Stay in Love,” the most soulless song Mariah’s cut since, well, before Glitter. It sports a piano line so deliberate, it’d be laughed off a Broadway original cast album.) The commercial crassness of these retreads is perfectly encapsulated in “Bye Bye,” in which Stargate’s stock ballad beat fits under the “We Belong Together” template. Meanwhile, Mariah announces this song “is for everybody.” Not just all the parents and children of the world -- everybody! Take that, Celine! “Bye Bye” is about death, and only thing more universal than that topic is probably taxes (funnily enough, E=MC² was released on April 15). Initially, the obsequiousness of “Bye Bye” was too revolting even for me, but what keeps me coming back to it is its ultimate silliness. I snort at “This is for my peoples who lost their grandmothers” every damn time I hear it, and the chorus litany of “Mamas, daddies, sisters, brothers, friends and cousins” sounds like the basis of a companion piece to the preschool standard, “Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes.” It’s supposed to make me cry, but “Bye Bye” makes me howl inside. It’s not so much like laughing in church as it is at the crazy lady ranting about abortion on the corner, shaking her plastic fetus. From what I’ve gathered, those who hate this album, hate it for the lack of sophistication in its flagrant hit-mongering. But that’s like hating a Pollack for being too splattery. People forget that Mariah’s function has always been that of hitmaker. She’s worked hard for her numbers (18 No. 1's and she has the balloons to prove it). Until her 2001 breakdown, working hard meant averaging an album a year and rerecording virtually every single for various remixes. She's lessened the pace, but the wheels upstairs turn just as rapidly. E=MC² originally was supposed to come out six months ago. Leading up to November, every time she’d make a public appearance and answer the inevitable questions about the album, she’d talk about it as a work in progress, frequently saying that she was “just recording,” even into the new year. I love that Mariah has seemingly turned from compulsive releasing to obsessive crafting, as though she can only be pathological about pop music. (I can relate!) And you want to talk obsessive? Seven of these 14 tracks strike within 10 seconds of the three-minute-thirty-second mark, the supposedly magic running time for a pop single. She thumps the Bible on the arresting piano-gospel closer of “I Wish You Well,” but everywhere else she thumps The Manual. “Cruise Control,” which cops reggae no more offensively than your average Gwen Stefani track, knits three hooks in a row. It sports a pre-chorus bridge, a chorus and then a mega-chorus. The songwriting craft is astounding. Equally astounding? The idea that it’s appropriate to adopt a Jamaican accent for the track’s second verse, which hilariously goes: “’Can’t nobody can’t nobody tell me nuttin' / When he comes into view / ‘Cause he’s the flyest ting when he be cruisin’ on me avenue / When tha door open, de gals pon de block / They be hopin’, to rob tha clock me say no man / Step up step up bottle broken think I’m jokin’…?” Ting! She says “ting!” But then, she’s always been interested in passing, from her career-long transition from adult contemporary to hip-hop soul, to now, as she rocks a rasta hat with the fake dreadlocks and elsewhere adopts the ghetto-fab swag of “Migrate” (“’Soon as we walk through the door / Fellas be grabbin' at us like whoa / Tryin' to get us goin' off that Patrón / We sippin' Grigio...slow”). I see this as nothing but a further shading in of her frequently childlike identity: she’s playing dress-up. In a time when aging divas like Janet Jackson and Madonna are doing everything they can to fade into the (often vivid and nice-looking) wallpaper of their music, Mariah isn’t afraid to be her ridiculous self. It’s one thing to sing as well as she does (or rather, can, via editing of her increasingly brittle voice), or to have the knack for melody and harmony that's only getting stronger as she grows older. But Mariah’s secret formula is that larger-than-life persona that she filtrates so precisely into her work. It’s why she can pull off a (dirtily) Southern-fried power-ballad like “Side Effects.” It’s why this album is better than The Emancipation of Mimi (too tempered in the persona department for my taste). And it’s why E=MC² is so damn addictive. That's the point, but the underlying theme suggests an inverse of it: E=MC²'s engineered infectiousness is a symptom of Mariah's dependence on quantatitve superstardom (via chart success). This isn't an album; it's a collection of hits. As such, it's a perfect reflection of Mariah's pop-artistry and fame addiction. That drug thing? Nothing new at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted April 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted April 21, 2008 I found the review here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted May 9, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 9, 2008 New video (Bye Bye) can be found on Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted May 9, 2008 Members Share Posted May 9, 2008 As much as I hate what Mariah has become, I have to admit after a couple more listens (like 20) it begins to grow on you....which isn't always a good thing. I prefer to instantly like a CD. I only like 3 or 4 songs....and that sucks. You know it's bad when you have an album and only know the lyrics to 4 songs, everything else is skip worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted May 9, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 9, 2008 As I stated some time ago, I couldn't care less about the lyrics. I really don't expect people in pop music to write poetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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