This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Cry me a [!@#$%^&*] river.

McCain strategist knocks coverage of extreme rhetoric at rallies

McCain and Palin should have told their supporters that use of the word "terrorist" to describe Obama is uncalled for. They should have ejected the guy that yelled "Kill him" at the other rally. They should have booted out the guy with the monkey doll at another rally. They didn't. IMO, their silence=endorsement.

Now they are crying about it. You reap what you sow.

It sounds as if they really don't care what the crowd says as long as the media ignores it.

I watched Rachel Maddow's show yesterday and she had David Frum on and it seems that her intent was to discuss the fact that he is a Republican that is put off by the negative tone of the campaign. He ended up turning the tables on her by lumping her satire as part of the negativity in politics. She ended up asking him a couple of times whether he was equating the shouts of "terrorist" and "kill him" with the satire on her show and he skirted around it. I did agree with him on one point which was somewhere along the lines of doing your part to fix the problem instead of contributing to it.

Without a doubt, shows like hers capitalize off a political situation that was created by someone else. I don't think the solution is to stifle those opinions and hope that everything else corrects itself. I think David Frum suffered from remorse for agreeing to be on the show and the best way out for him was to attack the show's format and claim that the whole country was going to fall apart with Democrats running it.

Thanks Wales. That was freakin' hilarious! Big ass table!

The Wii Fit paody is too. The whole idea of buying a gaming unit and leaning to the left and right as a form of exercise is funny. I just love the message that technology is going to bring people closer together when as great as it all is, it really just gives people more of a reason to isolate themselves under the guise of richer communication....at the end of the day, there is no substitiute for the human touch.

September was such a hectic month. I think I suffer a little from election fatigue too. You know the campaign really has not changed much in a week. There is not a lot new to talk about.

I do think the race will start tightening. I don't know if there is enough time left for McCain to turn it around, but I don't see Obama winning by 10 points.

McCain has plenty of time. He's going to win the debate tomorrow because he's going to bring up Ayers to Obama's face and he's doing this because Obama said he wouldn't . Nothing like a game of I dare you played by a 72 year old presidential candidate. Anyway Obama's going to fade away in the face of that challenge....pretty much like how Ted Kennedy got stumped on Chappaquidick (sp?). Obama couldn't possibly stand there and tell McCain's friends that he was only eight years old.....and that Ayers is a seemingly rehabilitated educator who was given a second chance. Obama can't deny that he and Ayers are pals since we've seen hundreds of photos of them palling around together all across the country. But maybe Obama will make the connection between McCain and the woman who funded the non profit board that Obama and Ayers sat on so McCain can be a pal by incidental contact.

It sounds as if they really don't care what the crowd says as long as the media ignores it.

I watched Rachel Maddow's show yesterday and she had David Frum on and it seems that her intent was to discuss the fact that he is a Republican that is put off by the negative tone of the campaign. He ended up turning the tables on her by lumping her satire as part of the negativity in politics. She ended up asking him a couple of times whether he was equating the shouts of "terrorist" and "kill him" with the satire on her show and he skirted around it. I did agree with him on one point which was somewhere along the lines of doing your part to fix the problem instead of contributing to it.

Without a doubt, shows like hers capitalize off a political situation that was created by someone else. I don't think the solution is to stifle those opinions and hope that everything else corrects itself. I think David Frum suffered from remorse for agreeing to be on the show and the best way out for him was to attack the show's format and claim that the whole country was going to fall apart with Democrats running it.

Ya know, Wales. IA with this to a point. I like to watch Countdown and Rachel, but can only take them a couple times a week max. And I'm a liberal SOB, mind you! However, the spark to this flame was not created by KO or RM. It has been created by the Faux News channel and Talk Radio. They have been on the air for years talking [!@#$%^&*] and spreading lies to whomever will listen to them. They gave rise to the counter-programming that MSNBC has decided to schedule, don't you think? So for a Republican to come onto Rachel's show and accuse her of contributing to the problem (that's the small part I might agree with), he really should be looking at his own party for the majority of blame.

I really hate playing the finger-pointing game and "he said, she said", but sometimes it's appropriate. This is one of those times.

The Wii Fit paody is too. The whole idea of buying a gaming unit and leaning to the left and right as a form of exercise is funny. I just love the message that technology is going to bring people closer together when as great as it all is, it really just gives people more of a reason to isolate themselves under the guise of richer communication....at the end of the day, there is no substitiute for the human touch.

Yuppers. I work with some people that live and breathe "technology" and they are the most socially awkward people you will ever meet. Just sayin'.

McCain has plenty of time. He's going to win the debate tomorrow because he's going to bring up Ayers to Obama's face and he's doing this because Obama said he wouldn't . Nothing like a game of I dare you played by a 72 year old presidential candidate. Anyway Obama's going to fade away in the face of that challenge....pretty much like how Ted Kennedy got stumped on Chappaquidick (sp?). Obama couldn't possibly stand there and tell McCain's friends that he was only eight years old.....and that Ayers is a seemingly rehabilitated educator who was given a second chance. Obama can't deny that he and Ayers are pals since we've seen hundreds of photos of them palling around together all across the country. But maybe Obama will make the connection between McCain and the woman who funded the non profit board that Obama and Ayers sat on so McCain can be a pal by incidental contact.

For sure. It's so obvious to everyone that Obama and Ayers are best buds.

Ya know, if McCain has the balls to bring up this nonsense, then Obama should hit him back where it hurts. Bring up the fact that McCain has "palled around" with known racists in his career as that commentator said so well. Being linked to the likes of Thurman, Helms and Byrd is pretty damning.

With all the [!@#$%^&*] that McCain has rolled around with in his long political career, he sure ain't smelling like a daisy.

It's being reported that John McCain has ties with ACORN. :

It's being reported that John McCain has ties with ACORN. :

Yep, he was a keynote speaker at a previous convention.

ACORN is not affiliated with any party. That's why all this "guilt by association" is ridiculous. All of these guys apparently have interacted with "suspect" groups at one point in time. All of these guys have surrogates that are putting their foot deep down their throats. It's about the issues, the economy, new ways to get things done. I hope we can get back to that for this short period of time.

This campaign has become tiresome. I agree with other posters on that. I am looking forward to tomorrow night's debate in hopes of hearing something new and different.

Ya know, Wales. IA with this to a point. I like to watch Countdown and Rachel, but can only take them a couple times a week max. And I'm a liberal SOB, mind you! However, the spark to this flame was not created by KO or RM. It has been created by the Faux News channel and Talk Radio. They have been on the air for years talking [!@#$%^&*] and spreading lies to whomever will listen to them. They gave rise to the counter-programming that MSNBC has decided to schedule, don't you think? So for a Republican to come onto Rachel's show and accuse her of contributing to the problem (that's the small part I might agree with), he really should be looking at his own party for the majority of blame.

I really hate playing the finger-pointing game and "he said, she said", but sometimes it's appropriate. This is one of those times.

I pretty much agree. I think David Frum experienced some remorse and he probably had not checked out the show before agreeing to appear on it. Maybe it would have been more interesting if he had voiced his concern about other programs as well. I know that two wrongs don't make a right applies but I don't have a problem with opinions being out there. I think it's good to be aware of how some people think via Talk Radio or the opinion shows......it saves me from the shock of finding out in some other way.

Yuppers. I work with some people that live and breathe "technology" and they are the most socially awkward people you will ever meet. Just sayin'.

I can't imagine giving up nature for virtual nature.

For sure. It's so obvious to everyone that Obama and Ayers are best buds.

Ya know, if McCain has the balls to bring up this nonsense, then Obama should hit him back where it hurts. Bring up the fact that McCain has "palled around" with known racists in his career as that commentator said so well. Being linked to the likes of Thurman, Helms and Byrd is pretty damning.

With all the [!@#$%^&*] that McCain has rolled around with in his long political career, he sure ain't smelling like a daisy.

I guess the people encouraging McCain to go this route think McCain is some sort of saint. Or maybe they think being a former POW absolves him of anything he might have ever done wrong in life. I hope they apply the same standards to all other former Prisoners of war.

Not my dad's GOP: Buckley leaves National Review

Associated Press/AP Online

NEW YORK - A week after endorsing Democrat Barack Obama for president, Christopher Buckley, a writer and son of William F. Buckley Jr., is leaving National Review, the conservative magazine founded by his father more than 50 years ago.

"Within hours of my endorsement appearing in The Daily Beast it became clear that National Review had a serious problem on its hands," Buckley wrote in a blog posted Tuesday on http://www.thedailybeast.com, the online broadsheet founded by Tina Brown.

"So the next morning, I thought the only decent thing to do would be to offer to resign my column there. This offer was accepted - rather briskly! - by Rich Lowry, NR's editor, and its publisher, the superb and able and fine Jack Fowler."

Buckley, a best-selling novelist who had been a featured columnist at the National Review, infuriated conservatives last week by declaring himself "the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack Obama bandwagon."

He criticized Republican John McCain as "irascible and snarly" and credited Obama with having "a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect."

"It's a good thing my dear old mum and pup are no longer alive. They'd cut off my allowance," he wrote for The Daily Beast.

(William F. Buckley Jr., a founder of the modern conservative movement, and his longtime wife, Pat, both died within the past two years.)

On his blog posting Tuesday, Christopher Buckley - whose books include "Thank You for Smoking" and the recent "Supreme Courtship" - said he had received a great deal of angry e-mails and observed that "conservatives have always had a bit of trouble with the concept of diversity. The GOP likes to say it's a big tent. Looks more like a yurt to me." Lowry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Not my dad's GOP: Buckley leaves National Review

Associated Press/AP Online

That is pretty sad. It's a shame a guy can not be conservative and support a Democrat.

This sickens me.

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There is just no defense for people that ignorant.

McCain may not want to mention Ayers in the debate now that his transition chief has been linked to Saddam Hussein:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/m...a_n_134595.html

Edited October 14, 200817 yr by Steve

This campaign has become tiresome. I agree with other posters on that. I am looking forward to tomorrow night's debate in hopes of hearing something new and different.

I'm not going to watch tomorrow's debate, as I'm sure it will be more of the same. I am getting tired of political issues as well. There doesn't seem to be anything happening and the only thing being reported is bullshit. JMHO.

I can't imagine giving up nature for virtual nature.

Niether can I, my friend. The tree-hugger liberal in me can't think of anything worse than a world where the sight of a hummingbird coming to feed on a honeysuckle in my backyard is replaced by a virtual image of the same. Environmental issues are just as important as any other in this election. And they give a person even more reason to vote for Obama.

I'm not going to watch tomorrow's debate, as I'm sure it will be more of the same. I am getting tired of political issues as well. There doesn't seem to be anything happening and the only thing being reported is bullshit. JMHO.

But I will be flipping back and forth between the debate and the Dodger game!!My guess is that the game will win out for me.

From watching that video on the previous page McCain should just be disgusted and dissapointed at some of his supporters. Alot of his supporters sounded unstable on that video and I fear for obama.

Wow. CBS/NYT is reporting it's new poll has Obama up 14 points. That seems a little high to me.

I have been wondering about the term liberal for some time now. Not in terms of it's definition, but the supposed stigma attached to it. Converatives/Republicans have, IMO, done an outstanding job in turning it into a four-letter political curse word since the emergence of Reaganism. Registered Democrats outnumber Republicans today, but far less Democrats consider themselves "liberal" than Republicans considering themselves "conservative". Why is that? Can it be traced back to the negative connotations that have been associated to liberalism by the right?

I believe that if everyone understood the concept of liberalism, more people would embrace it. I recall a phone call I had with my Evangelical right brother a few months ago. Obviously, we agree on nothing politically or socially (he couldn't even say my boyfriend's name until last year and we've been together 8) and I said that given the chance, I would wear a t-shirt saying "Liberal - and Proud of it". He couldn't believe that I would do such a thing and considered it a horrible idea!

Obviously, I fully embrace the concept of liberalism. Why would others, particularly registered Democrats, hesitate in calling themselves "liberal"? Of course to Republicans, it's anathema, but why shunned by Democrats? Hmmmm.

Liberal has become a dirty word, the same as feminism, intellectual and elite. No one should be ashamed to identify themselves with the TRUE meaning of those words. Unfortunately, they have somehow taken on a negative connotation (e.g. liberal = anti-American, feminist = man-hating lesbian, etc.) I blame the Conservatives!

Edited October 15, 200817 yr by Darcy

Liberal has become a dirty word, the same as feminism, intellectual and elite. No one should be ashamed to identify themselves with the TRUE meaning of those words. Unfortunately, they have somehow taken on a negative connotation (e.g. liberal = anti-American, feminist = man-hating lesbian, etc.) I blame the Conservatives!

Unfortunately for a long time, liberals contributed to liberal becoming a dirty word. We ran away from it rather than saying yes, here is what I believe and if that is liberal than so be it.

I agree totally with Darcy. It's like any word that stands for any thing other than narrow-minded has become a dirty word.