Members SnCCorinthos4ever Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 DITTO I think that my 8 month old great nephew is 1000 times smarter than Palin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Right. She has good sense. Then why did the McCain campaign release a report clearing SP of any wrongdoing ahead of the release of the official report tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg's GL Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Good Morning and Happy Friday everyone! Ya know, I'm really starting to miss seeing opposing viewpoints in the thread. Does anyone else feel that way? I think it's great that Obama has so much support here, don't get me wrong, but it was always interesting hearing the other side's point of view. I guess they have left for greener pastures? Regardless, I found this article on surveillance that doesn't sit very well with me. I didn't like it when GWB had the balls to say it's necessary to spy on phone calls, but didn't he say it would only be done to "suspicious" persons. I don't think the US Military could be categorized like that. And once they knew that the call wasn't part of some terrorist activity, they should have disconnected. Instead, they kept listening as people got down with some freaky phone action. Sheesh! US spied on Americans intimate conversations abroad It would be nice to hear one of the candidates discuss their views on this program. I haven't heard much from either one of them about it, but obviously the economy and the current financial crisis is deservedly getting all the attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg's GL Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 This is a great article from Time.com on Obama's surge in the polls. The link is to the entire article. And I have posted a few quotes from it that I liked. The Obama Surge: Will It Last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg's GL Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Here's a commentary on the gay marriage issue in my local paper. I couldn't agree more with Mr. Diaz. The lawyer he speaks of in the column is a Republican, who works extensively on "Right to Life" issues and is the President of the "Florida Family Policy Council". Gay marriage isn't the thing we should fear George Diaz | COMMENTARY October 10, 2008 In news of the day, a majority of Floridians are prepared to tell everybody else how to live their lives. The Florida Marriage Protection Amendment question will ask voters Nov. 4 to recognize only the "legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife." It's gaining support, recent polls show. We'll have none of that same-sex people falling in love and making a commitment nonsense in Florida, because next thing you know, we'll all be watching reruns of Will & Grace, buying Clay Aiken CDs and insisting on matching throw pillows for the sofa. That kind of stereotypical nonsense has led Florida down this path of indignant righteousness. Frankly, I don't care how people live their lives as long as they're not infringing on mine. Homosexuality isn't a disease that can be cured by taking antibiotics or watching Rambo movies. Many gays are conflicted, having desperately tried to conform to society's norms before realizing it is futile. Two of my friends were once married to women but are now in committed gay relationships. I don't consider them pariahs, though it's sad to think that a good number of people just might. A recent Sentinel poll shows that the marriage amendment is close to the 60 percent threshold needed to pass. This amounts to senseless piling-on, because Florida doesn't recognize gay marriages anyway. Opponents reasonably argue that the amendment could threaten domestic benefits and other rights of unmarried straight couples -- all the way up to widowed heterosexual seniors who chose not to remarry but are in a committed relationship. Note the language: " . . . no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized." Who's to say an activist judge won't strike down domestic benefits? John Stemberger, an Orlando lawyer and the point man for the group supporting the amendment, dismisses that as "scare tactics." I would say he is well versed on that subject. He opposed a fair-housing ordinance that prohibits discrimination against gays, a measure that got unanimous approval from the Orange County Commission in 2006. He has supported the concept of teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in public schools. He opposed foul words and references to body parts in schoolbooks, claiming they have "no intrinsic value" and should not be taught in classroom texts. Shakespeare, where art thou? My guess is he most likely would have opposed that zany rock 'n' roll dancing if he had been cast in the movie Footloose. It's going to be a close call on Election Day. Meanwhile, the ideological tug of war is frantic and includes some conflicted alliances. The anti-Amendment 2 forces include the NAACP, yet Stemberger's group is backed by conservative black pastors who want to stop the disintegration of families in black neighborhoods. "Same-sex marriage subjects children to a vast untested social experiment," Stemberger wrote in a recent op-ed article in the Sentinel. "The reality is the two best dads can never be a mom." Stemberger has every right to feel the way he does. But in all his moral outrage, he is missing the point on compassion, understanding and acceptance. And when he interjects his feelings into a legal battleground, he is declaring war on anybody who isn't in lock step with his belief system. Your world is not my world, Mr. Stemberger. Let's hope it doesn't become Florida's, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Palin Stumped Again On Her Strong Suit -- Energy Sam Stein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Sarah Palin On SNL October 25: Report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Good. I'm glad Sarah is coming on SNL. You have to be able to make fun of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 I think Obama appears very calm and I think that works to his advantage. McCain is so angry all of the time. I'm also hoping that a lot of the Republican tactics are starting to backfire. Every election year, it is the same thing. They start nit picking a relatively small number of voter registrations in states that could go Republican. It is done to suppress voter turnout amongst minority, poor and young voters. Shame on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Damn! Biden to Palin: Don't lecture me on patriotism Posted: 10:34 AM ET From CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt Sen. Biden told Palin not to lecture him Thursday night. Sen. Biden told Palin not to lecture him Thursday night. JEFFERSON CITY, Missouri (CNN) – Joe Biden Thursday night told Sarah Palin not to lecture him on patriotism, after weeks of attacks mocking him for his statement the wealthy should be patriotic and pay higher taxes because not enough has been asked of them. "Sarah Palin had great fun saying Joe Biden thinks paying taxes is patriotic. Well, let me tell you what Joe Biden thinks," the Delaware senator said at an outdoor rally. "Joe Biden thinks that anybody who takes millions of dollars offshore to avoid paying their fair share is unpatriotic." The Obama-Biden campaign has accused John McCain of saying publicly he would close offshore banking loopholes, but saying otherwise in private. "That is not patriotic and it will stop, it will stop in an Obama-Biden administration! Enough! I've had it up to here! Don't lecture me on patriotism," shouted Biden, getting drowned out by the applause of his supporters. "I'm dead tired of being taken advantage of. I'm getting tired of it." Biden also said he's had enough of the McCain camp's personal attacks on Obama, slamming the Arizona senator for violating the "ethics" of the old neighborhood for not having the courage to go after Obama's character in their debates the way he has in speeches and in television ads. "In my neighborhood you want to say something about me, look me in the eye and tell me," said Biden. "Say it to me straight up. Say it to me head on. That's the code, that's the ethics! Say it to me! Ladies and gentlemen, I'm tired of losing, I'm tired of taking this stuff, I've had enough." There has been a perceptible shift this week in Biden's approach to attacking the opposing ticket. Since Wednesday, he has been increasingly willing to take on Sarah Palin individually, instead of his earlier approach of lumping her in with McCain or ignoring her altogether. Biden's comments on patriotism were the second time he returned Palin's fire Thursday. Earlier, in Liberty, Missouri, Biden attacked McCain's new mortgage plan, using Palin's quip from last week that she has been listening to Biden's speeches since the second grade, which was intended to paint him as a Washington insider. "That's true," Biden responded. "But she was in sixth grade the last time John had a new idea." However, in the second use of that line here in Jefferson City, Biden incorrectly said Palin had made those comments directly to him at their debate in St. Louis last Thursday, rather than at a Columbus, Ohio rally three days prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg's GL Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 So I guess that no one else is missing the opposing viewpoint in this thread? Am I the only one that thinks this thread was much more interesting when we had that dynamic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Jay S.W. Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 The opposing viewpoint left because they couldnt handle just that, the opposing dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 I've never had any problem with opposing viewpoints. That is what makes us great. But, what I DO have a problemwith is: 1. People who either call you a liar for expressing aviewpoint that is different from theirs. 2. People will not LISTEN to your viewpoints. 3. People who do nothing but try and start mess because they have nothing else to fall on. And, most importantly..... 4. People who consider their opinion as fact, and even when you prove them wrong, they still want to push that opinion as fact, and fight with you for daring to speak of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 I don't want to see you deprived of that dynamic. I don't mind when the interaction is "healthy." But I can't say I miss the dynamic where one persob would try to negate another person's point(s) on the basis of that other person's race. I just want to throw out there that I think I have no issue with the interest rates on mortgages being adjusted down for those in danger of losing their homes.....but I don't agree that any portion of their loans should be forgiven. The banks making those loans shouldn't be given free money either....loan it to them so they have to pay it back later when things get better and on the condition that they act in good faith with their consumer/borrowers. It's not a good idea to support irresponsibility by telling someone it's okay for you to buy a house you couldn't afford since it's all the greedy lender's fault. That's just enabling irresponsible behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Greg's GL Posted October 10, 2008 Members Share Posted October 10, 2008 Thanks y'all. I understand where you're coming from. And I still enjoy posting with y'all - don't get me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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