This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

O...M...G

I don't want some angry dude who hates an entire race of people running our nation-- Period. I don't care if he was tortured-- he's a Christian, right? Then he should've forgiven them ages ago--or gotten counseling-- and put that out of his heart. Unless of course, he never dealt with his rage, and just hates 'em--which, in my mind, would make him mentally unstable at the least. People with these kinds of rage and psychological issues should not be running a nation.

I find it sickening.

The fact that it is apparently ok to hate an entire race of people because of what some sick, digusting bastards did to you.....that show how closed-minded some people are.

I guess all black people should go back and start hating all white people for what happened during slavery. Stupid, isn't it? But apparently because it's John McCain, he has that right to be racist, and the rest of us just have to deal with it and move on. But, what do some of us spend our time doing? Telling everyone how Obama is a Muslim and bringing up William Ayers. So apparently it's wrong to have ties with a terrorist WHEN YOU WERE 8 [!@#$%^&*] YEARS OLD but it's fine to hate a people because of what some sickos did to you.

That is truly some of the saddess crap I have ever heard in my life.

It's amazing how people make this sweeping comments that just are not true. Here is the fact check. Shame on McCain, but he has engaged in slimy politics since day one. I really do think the questions he is asking are more appropriately applied to himself.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...ith-terrorists/

What kind of judgement lands a man right in the middle of the Keating Five? Did Sen. McCain, his wife or his wife's family benefit from the friendship with Charles Keating?

It's amazing how people make this sweeping comments that just are not true. Here is the fact check. Shame on McCain, but he has engaged in slimy politics since day one. I really do think the questions he is asking are more appropriately applied to himself.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...ith-terrorists/

What kind of judgement lands a man right in the middle of the Keating Five? Did Sen. McCain, his wife or his wife's family benefit from the friendship with Charles Keating?

Jess, you know we are not supposed to talk about that.

We are only supposed to question Obama's judgement and political ties.

Wow Casey. I can't believe you actually said that. Actually no, I can. Because it's obvious that McCain and/or Palin's ties to questionable organizations, nor the comments they make or people they do/may/might have associated with are off limits are not worth discussing.

Everything about Obama is worth discussing, criticizing and all the people he may have spoken to, associated with, sat on boards with, went to church with, knew or basically walked by is worth scrutinizing.

How dare you give credence to McCain hating the North Vietnamese. Not everyone is responsible for what happened to McCain. And he should be able to put those horrible people responsible for torturing him in a different category from those who had nothing to do with it.

The positions you take on issues scare me. You challenge people to "debate the facts," yet you bring up mud to sling. You get make sly comments, generalizations and criticisms to other posters here and cry martyr when you are called out on it. You excusing McCain's hatred of the Vietnamese and saying it's ok because well it's John McCain.

You scare me. Slinging mis-information, continuing to spread false information and making false accusations....I'm afraid for all who you share your information with. I pray they are smart enough to fact check and realize that not everything that someone says is true.

Wow...just wow....

Jess, you know we are not supposed to talk about that.

We are only supposed to question Obama's judgement and political ties.

Ahh I get it.

Were not allow to mention all the stuff ups that have been done by the Republicans at all, particularly McCain and Palin

Well there is an ad on TV here (and maybe in the USA but not sure) It's a company called McCains and their catchphrase is "Ahh McCain's you've done it again"

Maybe I will just say that in future minus the s of course.

Edited October 6, 200817 yr by SnCCorinthos4ever

Wow Casey. I can't believe you actually said that. Actually no, I can. Because it's obvious that McCain and/or Palin's ties to questionable organizations, nor the comments they make or people they do/may/might have associated with are off limits are not worth discussing.

Everything about Obama is worth discussing, criticizing and all the people he may have spoken to, associated with, sat on boards with, went to church with, knew or basically walked by is worth scrutinizing.

How dare you give credence to McCain hating the North Vietnamese. Not everyone is responsible for what happened to McCain. And he should be able to put those horrible people responsible for torturing him in a different category from those who had nothing to do with it.

The positions you take on issues scare me. You challenge people to "debate the facts," yet you bring up mud to sling. You get make sly comments, generalizations and criticisms to other posters here and cry martyr when you are called out on it. You excusing McCain's hatred of the Vietnamese and saying it's ok because well it's John McCain.

You scare me. Slinging mis-information, continuing to spread false information and making false accusations....I'm afraid for all who you share your information with. I pray they are smart enough to fact check and realize that not everything that someone says is true.

Wow...just wow....

Ryan I so totally agree with what you say.

Just because a person may have issues with one group of people doesn't mean that it has to cover everyone of that race, religon or color.

Even for myself at work, I may have issues with someone but I have never put anyone else from that same race/religon/color with that person. I look at who a person is on the inside, not the outside.

Would you rather have a president that is friendly with a domestic terrorist?

Dude, that argument has been refuted and put to rest, so don't come back at me with that. You took issue with Rev. Wright saying things about the racist white people of this nation and took it as though the words came out of Obama's mouth. And when that didn't work, you tried to link him to a guy that did some shady things to make a statement when Obama was a child. And we have actual words that came out of your candidate's mouth and you qualify it as 'he was tortured'. Frankly, I don't want to hear it. He was torured 35 years ago. And he has not been broke in all that time-- which means he had the means and the govt healthcare (we'd all love to have) to nip that sh!t in the bud. A 72year old man carrying a 35-year old grudge has no business being POTUS. Bigotry in all forms is not justified-- especially from the 'Christian' ticket that McCain/Palin are supposed to be.

McCain always goes back to being a POW as a qualification. He continues mud-slinging. He's flip-flopped on every major issue. He sounds like a bad bet to me.

Dude, that argument has been refuted and put to rest, so don't come back at me with that. You took issue with Rev. Wright saying things about the racist white people of this nation and took it as though the words came out of Obama's mouth. And when that didn't work, you tried to link him to a guy that did some shady things to make a statement when Obama was a child. And we have actual words that came out of your candidate's mouth and you qualify it as 'he was tortured'. Frankly, I don't want to hear it. He was torured 35 years ago. And he has not been broke in all that time-- which means he had the means and the govt healthcare (we'd all love to have) to nip that sh!t in the bud. A 72year old man carrying a 35-year old grudge has no business being POTUS. Bigotry in all forms is not justified-- especially from the 'Christian' ticket that McCain/Palin are supposed to be.

McCain always goes back to being a POW as a qualification. He continues mud-slinging. He's flip-flopped on every major issue. He sounds like a bad bet to me.

If McCain has nothing left but this to run on.... its obviously over. But, this is the electorate that gave re-election to George W. Bush so..... I suppose anything can happen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_...palin_recharged

Palin defends terrorist comment against Obama

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press WriterSun Oct 5, 6:37 PM ET

Sarah Palin defended her claim that Barack Obama "pals around with terrorists," saying the Democratic presidential nominee's association with a 1960s radical is an issue that is "fair to talk about."

Obama has denounced the radical views and actions of Bill Ayers, a founder of the violent Weather Underground group during the Vietnam era. On Sunday, Obama dismissed the criticism from the McCain campaign, leveled by Palin, as "smears" meant to distract voters from real problems such as the troubled economy.

Palin, the Republican vice presidential candidate, launched the attack Saturday and repeated it Sunday, signaling a new strategy by John McCain's presidential campaign to go after Obama's character.

"The comments are about an association that has been known but hasn't been talked about," Palin said as she boarded her plane in Long Beach, Calif. "I think it's fair to talk about where Barack Obama kicked off his political career, in the guy's living room."

Later, at a fundraiser, Palin elaborated on her attack, claiming one of Obama's advisers had described Obama and Ayers as "friendly."

"In fact, Obama held one of his first meetings hoping to kick off his political career in Bill Ayers' living room," she told the crowd, which had just raised $2.5 million for the Republican party's McCain-Palin Victory 2008 fund.

At issue is Obama's association with Ayers. Both have served on the same Chicago charity and live near each other in Chicago. Ayers also held a meet-the-candidate event at his home for Obama when Obama first ran for office in the mid-1990s, the event cited by Palin.

In February, Obama strategist David Axelrod told the Politico Web site: "Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school. They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together."

But while Ayers and Obama are acquainted, the charge that they "pal around" is a stretch of any reading of the public record. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts. Obama was 8 years old at the time the Weather Underground claimed credit for numerous bombings and was blamed for a pipe bomb that killed a San Francisco policeman.

At a rally in North Carolina, Obama countered that McCain and his campaign "are gambling that he can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance." The Democrat described the criticism as "Swiftboat-style attacks on me," a reference to the unsubstantiated allegations about 2004 Democratic nominee John Kerry's decorated military record in Vietnam.

During her stop in California, Palin was asked about an Associated Press analysis that said her charge about Ayers was unsubstantiated, a point made by other news organizations, and the criticism carried a "racially tinged subtext that McCain may come to regret."

"The Associated Press is wrong," Palin said, before arguing that the issue had not been adequately discussed.

In fact, Obama was questioned about Ayers during a prime-time Democratic debate against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton prior to April's Pennsylvania primary.

Palin, recharged after last week's debate against Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, is animating the party's conservative wing with harsh attacks against Obama. She's courting high-dollar donors for campaign cash. And she is looking to wrestle away women and independent voters from the Democrats.

"The heels are on, the gloves are off," she declares, a threat delivered with a smile.

With that message, the campaign is sending her on a whirlwind tour of political trouble spots.

On Sunday, she was headed for a rally in Omaha, Neb., a defensive move in one of the two states in the nation that can split their electoral votes. Her visit illustrated the depth of worry within the McCain camp. Since 1964, all five of the state's electoral votes have gone to the Republican presidential candidate.

On Monday, she begins a two-day, event-packed tour of Florida that stretches from Naples in the South to Pensacola in the panhandle. North Carolina and Pennsylvania are next.

After a hold-your-ground debate performance last week, Palin is back to where she was after her show-stopping speech at the Republican convention a month ago — the top draw in the McCain-Palin ticket.

About 10,000 people came to her rally Saturday in the Los Angeles suburb of Carson. She raised $2 million in one California fundraiser for the McCain-Palin Victory 2008 fund. She's getting the star treatment from the likes of Grammy winner Vikki Carr and actor Robert Duvall.

She's still the carefully handled national politics greenhorn. Reporters traveling on her plane are kept at a distance. At fundraising events she doesn't take questions in public from donors, as McCain does. Contributors greet her privately before she allows the press in for her stump speech.

She brushes off some of her criticism as if it were lint on her jacket.

"People say that I speak too simply, or don't have quite the — I don't have my thesaurus in my back pocket all along through my speeches," she told donors in Englewood, Col. "Well, I don't have time for that."

On Sunday she told donors she had been asked why she had done so poorly in interviews with CBS News anchor Katie Couric. "You know what I should have said?" she joked. "It's job security for Tina Fey" — the woman who impersonates her on "Saturday Night Live."

I find it sickening.

The fact that it is apparently ok to hate an entire race of people because of what some sick, digusting bastards did to you.....that show how closed-minded some people are.

I guess all black people should go back and start hating all white people for what happened during slavery. Stupid, isn't it? But apparently because it's John McCain, he has that right to be racist, and the rest of us just have to deal with it and move on. But, what do some of us spend our time doing? Telling everyone how Obama is a Muslim and bringing up William Ayers. So apparently it's wrong to have ties with a terrorist WHEN YOU WERE 8 [!@#$%^&*] YEARS OLD but it's fine to hate a people because of what some sickos did to you.

That is truly some of the saddess crap I have ever heard in my life.

That statement really upset me. We are supposed to excuse McCain's hate speech because he was tortured by the Viet Cong. And this same person trying to excuse McCain's bigotry claims that black people needs to stop blaming everything on racism if 'they' want to improve race relations-- like that sh! isn't a 2-way street. It is the most ridiculous logic I've ever heard. I guess if McCain had said he hates blacks, that would be excused, too somehow (I get the feeling he doesn't care for any non-whites-- especially if you're not a phat-cat).

I guess you could say that McCain kinda got a taste of what it was like to be black during the days of slavery; robbed of his freedom, beaten, tortured until he told them what they wanted to hear, robbed of his God-given rights. And he now carries a 35-year old grudge because of it. Nice (he makes black people look like Jesus-- what with their rising above their circumstances and turning the other cheek and all).

He had two roads to take after his POW experience. He chose the low road and thus, in my opinion, should not be our president.

Edited October 6, 200817 yr by Kay

Here's Madeline Albright's response to Palin's application of her quote or mis-quote:

Albright responded to Palin's remarks in a statement to the Huffington Post on Sunday. "Though I am flattered that Governor Palin has chosen to cite me as a source of wisdom, what I said had nothing to do with politics. This is yet another example of McCain and Palin distorting the truth, and all the more reason to remember that this campaign is not about gender, it is about which candidate has an agenda that will improve the lives of all Americans, including women. The truth is, if you care about the status of women in our society and in our troubled economy, the best choice by far is Obama-Biden."

I need to digest the other stuff going on in this thread because it's sad and I'm simply stumped (and I do mean stumped and not stunned....considering the other day, I can't claim shock or anything).

Oh, I see, and you were correct. They did not vote on the same bill. It was 300 pages longer and included about $100 billion in "sweeteners"

I was going to try reading it so I could see the part about the toy wooden arrows but so far, I haven't.

I did see a clip of McCain saying he hoped the President would veto it because it was full of pork but with all his "maverickyness" why didn't he just vote against it? I know that logic isn't really allowed.

I was going to try reading it so I could see the part about the toy wooden arrows but so far, I haven't.

I did see a clip of McCain saying he hoped the President would veto it because it was full of pork but with all his "maverickyness" why didn't he just vote against it? I know that logic isn't really allowed.

Sounds like he wants to play both sides of the fence.

I kind of like to think about things before I draw any major conclusions and right now I am curious about one thing: if you, hypothetically speaking, believed that Obama is really "palling" around with a domestic terrorist, what conclusions are you supposed to draw from that?

Are you supposed to think hmmmm Obama is going to collaborate with this guy to do something?

Ayers did a heinous thing when Obama was a child which means some of us weren't even born yet and those that were born already were probably children as well. Has Ayers spent the last few decades committing terrorist acts?

I really need to know why if I have spent my entire life not being afraid of Ayers, I should be afraid of him now?

I'm still trying to digest this..

Is this worse...hating the North Vietnamese (or "gooks" as John McCain refers to them) for beating him near death for 5 years..Or BO launching his campaign at the home of a known domestic terrorist?

Personally, I probably wouldn't be fans of a group of people that beat me for 5 years,.

Roman, you wanted me to defend McCain..so here goes..

I dont think it is a racist term in the eyes of McCain..Just a nickname used mostly for the Viet Kong during the war by Vietnam vets..It has later become a little more broad in its usage..With that being said.. McCain should have known better..

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gook

I just wanted this as a record, so you don't accuse me or anyone else of distorting what you said.

And also.......LOVED how you went in and edited the second post to take out some of the stuff you said. I guess now you'll act like you never said it, and question those to produce what you DID say.

You're a real piece of work, Casey.