This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Jess I think he was taking a shot at me for being stupid enough to say that the Senate shouldn't vote on the same bill that the House rejected.....you know because I was foolish enough to think that the Senate shouldn't vote until it was revised since I was under the impression that voting on the identical bill would mean they would only have to vote again once it was revised. I should have just commented on Alsaska instead.

Oh, I see, and you were correct. They did not vote on the same bill. It was 300 pages longer and included about $100 billion in "sweeteners"

Casey, since it seems that you want to talk about this bullshit instead of trying to defend McCain's record, let me post this for everyone's reading pleasure:

Book Excerpt: “'I hate the gooks,’ said John McCain in the year 2000. ‘I will hate them as long as I live.’ It reveals something when a senator calls people ‘gooks’ and volunteers it for mass media broadcast… The fact that Mr. McCain carries such everlasting hate within him – that says something too.

My mother does not want me to publish this book. I know exactly what she meant even though she did not say it. My mother simply wants no trouble, no heartache, for me or my family.

I grew up in East Texas and my parents still live there… the Ku Klux Klan is still very active there. Black people still get ‘nigger’ yelled at them. I got spit on for being Asian… growing up. I was called ‘gook’ every so often. Other times it was ‘Jap’ or ‘Chink’ or some other racial epithet. [And] the name-calling was never as bad as the violence.

Have you ever been an object before? It is difficult to describe my own personal experience as a ‘gook’ in America… What I am doing here is not an attack. It is a public service for my nation. If you’ve ever been called a ‘gook,’ you know this in your heart.”

While on the presidential campaign trail in February of 2000, John McCain was confronted by the press about his use of an ethnic slur against Asians. Instead of apologizing, the notoriously short-tempered Senator from Arizona arrogantly went on the offensive, asserting that he would always hate “gooks.”

It is now eight years later, and the country is facing the possibility that this inveterate racist might actually win the White House on Election Day. For this reason, Irwin A. Tang decided to publish Gook: John McCain’s Racism and Why It Matters. Tang, also the author of How I Became a Black Man, is an outspoken anomaly among Asian-Americans, a group dubbed the “model minority” because of their deference in the face of discrimination based on their skin color.

This timely tome makes a powerfully persuasive case against celebrated POW and presumed patriot McCain in several ways. First, Tang talks about the psychic and sometimes physical wounds he and other Asian-Americans have silently endured at the hands of bigots on account of prejudice. Then, he shows how McCain has courted the support of numerous white supremacist organizations over the course of his checkered political career. Most importantly, he then shows why this warmonger cannot be trusted to set the tone for tolerance either domestically or in terms of international affairs, given his history of dehumanizing ethnic and religious groups he doesn’t care for.

The eye-opening book’s basic question is this: Have we as a country really become so desensitized to hate speech that we’re willing to elect someone President who so openly stereotypes and acknowledges his dislike of a large segment of the society he is supposed to govern? After reading this heartfelt memoir/impassioned polemic, I say Irwin Tang, not John McCain, is the true American patriot. For, at considerable risk to own personal safety, the author of this shocking expose’ has revealed the Republican presidential nominee as little more than an incendiary race-baiter more reminiscent of a Jim Crow-era segregationist than a straight-talking maverick.

A moving must-read for any voters still undecided about who they’re going to support in November.

Thanks for this Roman.

I don't consider myself racist, but I really do hate McCain and this little bit of reading cements it even more.

I believe that everyone should be equal no matter what their color, race, religon or sexual preferance is, but I do draw the line on comment like those that are made like the ones by McCain in this article.

People that are in a high poistion in Government should not be racist. With an attitude that McCain has, he is the last person that should be in charge of a country.

Casey, since it seems that you want to talk about this bullshit instead of trying to defend McCain's record, let me post this for everyone's reading pleasure:

Book Excerpt: “'I hate the gooks,’ said John McCain in the year 2000. ‘I will hate them as long as I live.’ It reveals something when a senator calls people ‘gooks’ and volunteers it for mass media broadcast… The fact that Mr. McCain carries such everlasting hate within him – that says something too.

My mother does not want me to publish this book. I know exactly what she meant even though she did not say it. My mother simply wants no trouble, no heartache, for me or my family.

I grew up in East Texas and my parents still live there… the Ku Klux Klan is still very active there. Black people still get ‘nigger’ yelled at them. I got spit on for being Asian… growing up. I was called ‘gook’ every so often. Other times it was ‘Jap’ or ‘Chink’ or some other racial epithet. [And] the name-calling was never as bad as the violence.

Have you ever been an object before? It is difficult to describe my own personal experience as a ‘gook’ in America… What I am doing here is not an attack. It is a public service for my nation. If you’ve ever been called a ‘gook,’ you know this in your heart.”

While on the presidential campaign trail in February of 2000, John McCain was confronted by the press about his use of an ethnic slur against Asians. Instead of apologizing, the notoriously short-tempered Senator from Arizona arrogantly went on the offensive, asserting that he would always hate “gooks.”

It is now eight years later, and the country is facing the possibility that this inveterate racist might actually win the White House on Election Day. For this reason, Irwin A. Tang decided to publish Gook: John McCain’s Racism and Why It Matters. Tang, also the author of How I Became a Black Man, is an outspoken anomaly among Asian-Americans, a group dubbed the “model minority” because of their deference in the face of discrimination based on their skin color.

This timely tome makes a powerfully persuasive case against celebrated POW and presumed patriot McCain in several ways. First, Tang talks about the psychic and sometimes physical wounds he and other Asian-Americans have silently endured at the hands of bigots on account of prejudice. Then, he shows how McCain has courted the support of numerous white supremacist organizations over the course of his checkered political career. Most importantly, he then shows why this warmonger cannot be trusted to set the tone for tolerance either domestically or in terms of international affairs, given his history of dehumanizing ethnic and religious groups he doesn’t care for.

The eye-opening book’s basic question is this: Have we as a country really become so desensitized to hate speech that we’re willing to elect someone President who so openly stereotypes and acknowledges his dislike of a large segment of the society he is supposed to govern? After reading this heartfelt memoir/impassioned polemic, I say Irwin Tang, not John McCain, is the true American patriot. For, at considerable risk to own personal safety, the author of this shocking expose’ has revealed the Republican presidential nominee as little more than an incendiary race-baiter more reminiscent of a Jim Crow-era segregationist than a straight-talking maverick.

A moving must-read for any voters still undecided about who they’re going to support in November.

I'm still trying to digest this..

Is this worse...hating the North Vietnamese (or "gooks" as John McCain refers to them) for beating him near death for 5 years..Or BO launching his campaign at the home of a known domestic terrorist?

Personally, I probably wouldn't be fans of a group of people that beat me for 5 years,.

Roman, you wanted me to defend McCain..so here goes..

I dont think it is a racist term in the eyes of McCain..Just a nickname used mostly for the Viet Kong during the war by Vietnam vets..It has later become a little more broad in its usage..With that being said.. McCain should have known better..

In the US, gook refers particularly to a Vietnamese person in the context of the Vietnam War, and particularly to the Viet Cong. It is generally considered highly offensive, on a par with nigger. In a highly charged and nuanced incident, Senator John McCain famously used the word publicly to refer specifically to his former captors, then apologized in deference to the Vietnamese community at large.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gook

Edited October 6, 200817 yr by Casey008

I'm still trying to digest this..

Is this worse...hating the North Vietnamese (or "gooks" as John McCain refers to them) for beating him near death for 5 years..Or BO launching his campaign at the home of a known domestic terrorist?

Personally, I probably wouldn't be fans of a group of people that beat me for 5 years,.

O...M...G

I don't want some angry dude who hates an entire race of people running our nation-- Period. I don't care if he was tortured-- he's a Christian, right? Then he should've forgiven them ages ago--or gotten counseling-- and put that out of his heart. Unless of course, he never dealt with his rage, and just hates 'em--which, in my mind, would make him mentally unstable at the least. People with these kinds of rage and psychological issues should not be running a nation.

O...M...G

I don't want some angry dude who hates an entire race of people running our nation-- Period. I don't care if he was tortured-- he's a Christian, right? Then he should've forgiven them ages ago--or gotten counseling-- and put that out of his heart. Unless of course, he never dealt with his rage, and just hates 'em--which, in my mind, would make him mentally unstable at the least. People with these kinds of rage and psychological issues should not be running a nation.

Would you rather have a president that is friendly with a domestic terrorist?

Would you rather have a president that is friendly with a domestic terrorist?

You have just said everything I needed to hear about yourself, Casey.

That truly is a real shame.

You have just said everything I needed to hear about yourself, Casey.

That truly is a real shame.

"...everything I needed to hear about yourself"... I'm confused.

I'm still trying to digest this..

Is this worse...hating the North Vietnamese (or "gooks" as John McCain refers to them) for beating him near death for 5 years..Or BO launching his campaign at the home of a known domestic terrorist?

Personally, I probably wouldn't be fans of a group of people that beat me for 5 years,.

You have said that you judge an entire group of people by what one or a few people do. If someone black had said the very same crap you just said, you would be roasting that person right now.

Wow.

IA with Kay......Oh My God.

"...everything I needed to hear about yourself"... I'm confused.

You got that right!

Troops support McCain 68% to 23%

Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

Edited October 6, 200817 yr by Casey008

Would you rather have a president that is friendly with a domestic terrorist?

If that's all McCain and his peeps have you know it's over right?

You have said that you judge an entire group of people by what one or a few people do. If someone black had said the very same crap you just said, you would be roasting that person right now.

Wow.

IA with Kay......Oh My God.

You got that right!

What "very same exact crap" that I said, are you referring to? So you think McCain is a racist for hating the people that beat him for 5 years?

If that's all McCain and his peeps have you know it's over right?

Probably..but we'll see..I'm going to be tuning into Hannity's America at 9:00. He has a special show unveiling a new part of Obama's past..

Edited October 6, 200817 yr by Casey008

If that's all McCain and his peeps have you know it's over right?

It almost is. And if the only thing he can hang his hat on is hatred and personal destruction, he never should have won the Republican nomination in the first place.

No wonder people are turning away from that party. If this is the leadership they have at the top........

It almost is. And if the only thing he can hang his hat on is hatred and personal destruction, he never should have won the Republican nomination in the first place.

No wonder people are turning away from that party. If this is the leadership they have at the top........

You've hit the nail on the head there Roman..that's all McCain hangs his hat on..Hatred...A single comment made 8 years ago referring to the Viet Kong..his captures and the group responsible for crippling him..

Never mind his 26 years of service to his country in Congress..or 20+ years serving his country in the Navy...You're right..HATRED..is ALL he hangs his hat on..

Edited October 6, 200817 yr by Casey008

You've hit the nail on the head there Roman..that's all McCain hangs his hat on..Hatred...A single comment made 8 years ago referring to the Viet Kong..his captures and the group responsible for crippling him..

Never mind his 26 years of service to his country in Congress..or 20+ years serving his country in the Navy...You're right..HATRED..is ALL he hangs his hat on..

I'm glad you agree.

Thanks.