What game?

Wow.

I just have the time to constantly explain things to you, Casey.

Look it up, dude.

Is that right?

Are these the same Republicans who spent 6 of the last 7 years driving the debt up to the highest point in this nations' history? Those Republicans? McCain's plan? HE doesn't even know what his plan is. I haven't heard him mention it in two weeks (Maybe he did say it, in between telling everyone 'The fundementals of our economy are strong' while businesses were going bankrupt and people were losing their life's work).

I have not said that all Republicans are bad news. But, the worst thing that has happened to this country in the last 20 eyars has been GWB's presidency and the Republican-led Congress who have squandered our money like they were at the Bunny Ranch outside of Las Vegas. No thought to the american people...and NOW that the new bill has passed (Which is loaded down with pork from both sides) we sit here and talk about humanity.

For the good of humanity........it's time for this Republican Partyu to go somewhere, and return when they actually believe is fiscal responsibility, and not intruding on people's constitutional rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That is humane......NOT the horseshit we have been fed for the last 7 years.

As much as you want to believe that GWB and McCain are one in the same..it's simply not true just because Barack says so. I agree that we need a change from Bush, but not to the extent of Obama. His change is dangerous...I don't want the government responsible for all aspects of my kids lives..education, healthcare, retirement, housing...etc..

How do you feel about the Democrat majority Congress that has the lowest approval ratings in the history of our country. They currently have a 9% app. rating. I have to give to Bill O'Reilly he handed Frank his ass for not taking responsibility for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, when their stock dropped 90% on Frank's watch.

Edited October 4, 200817 yr by Casey008

What it boils down to is that you support big government, and I dont..

So which party has been in power while the government has grown?

Which party does the current president belong to?

That is one of the reason why the McCain campaign is now bringing out old [!@#$%^&*].......because they are so clueless they can't run on the issues. They can only run on BS.

Wow.

I just have the time to constantly explain things to you, Casey.

Look it up, dude.

So are you going to ignore the points I brought up about Cindy's sentencing and charges??

I'm curious. How do you define big government? Do you define it in terms of spending or gov't offices? And I'm not being sarcastic or anything; I'm just interested.

I define it in terms of government involvement in the daily affairs of citizens. Government sponsored healthcare, education, retirement, and tax increases.

And 1 trillion dollars of spending..

So which party has been in power while the government has grown?

Which party does the current president belong to?

That is one of the reason why the McCain campaign is now bringing out old [!@#$%^&*].......because they are so clueless they can't run on the issues. They can only run on BS.

McCain has called for less spending..Obama wants to increase it by 1 trillion dollars...simple to me..I'm not looking back, I am looking for the best candidate in THIS election..

As much as you want to believe that GWB and McCain are one in the same..it's simple not true because Barack says so. I agree that we need a change from Bush, but not to the extent of Obama. His change is dangerous...I don't want the government responsible for all aspects of my kids lives..education, healthcare, retirement, housing...etc..

How do you feel about the Democrat majority Congress that has the lowest approval ratings in the history of our country. They currently have a 9% app. rating. I have to give to Bill O'Reilly he handed Frank his ass for not taking responsibility for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, when their stock dropped 90% on Frank's watch.

And now you are listening to what Barack has to say? You've sepnt the last 5 weeks blasting whatever he siad, but now he says they are not one in the same?

When did he say this?

Please link to when he said Bush and McCain are not one in the same, and not some right-wing website.

And sometimes, Casey, it doesn't sound like you know what you want. Your arguments change from post to post, depending on what is being said at that time.

And now you are listening to what Barack has to say? You've sepnt the last 5 weeks blasting whatever he siad, but now he says they are not one in the same?

When did he say this?

You make absolutely no sense...Are you kidding me? If you actually go back and READ what I wrote..I said you believe McCain=Bush because Barack says so. Obama has done nothing but try to link McCain to Bush..4 more years of the same...Voted "with Bush" 90% of the time...

Please link to when he said Bush and McCain are not one in the same, and not some right-wing website.

I'm not linking sh1t to you Roman. I don't care to prove myself right to you, because you don't understand a damn thing...and if you dont..you twist it to sound like you do.

And sometimes, Casey, it doesn't sound like you know what you want. Your arguments change from post to post, depending on what is being said at that time.

You just started blaming Republicans for big government when you support Barack Obama..he is calling for the largest increase in government spending during a campaign in the history of our nation. You are far more guilty of not understanding what you want...Do you support big government or not?

And please tell me when I have EVER changed position...you live in a fantasy world..

Edited October 4, 200817 yr by Casey008

I dont give a sh1t.

You can believe the other posters who wanted to argue with me about the Senate NOT voting on the bailout after it was rejected in the House...Roman I think you would rather have any information that supports your point...twisted, misleading, or flat out wrong...as long as it supports your argument..

Casey, if you were a big boy, which you are not, you would have acknowledged that I came back the very next day and posted that I was wrong and you were right about that issue. Of course, you would never acknowledge you were wrong about something. Then again, you admitting every time you were wrong would require a great deal of bandwidth. I said that I thought it was a revenue bill, which would require the House to act first. Of course, you choose to continue playing your word games and to continue on your petty little way.

Edited October 4, 200817 yr by Jess

Well, the reason why I posted it is because your word on matters is suspect. It took 90 seconds to find this, and now because you disagree with it, it's wrong.

And then you wonder why manydon't believe a word you say.

Why don't you post something that shows she was charged, convicted and sentenced. The article does say she served CS. Other than that......what's the problem? You don't believe it?

Too bad. Later.

Yep, he asks what I was talking about, when you post the article, he says the article isn't right. That is the Casey way, twist everyone's words, pick fights and then whine about personal attacks. Wales should watch out, he soon is to be displaced as the most disrespectful poster on the thread. So far it's been Roman, me, Dr. Jay, Mulder and Wales. I think it's back to Roman, perhaps me. I can only hope.

Edited October 4, 200817 yr by Jess

This in an interesting article. It's lengthy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/magazine/05Davis-t.html?hp

You make absolutely no sense...Are you kidding me? If you actually go back and READ what I wrote..I said you believe McCain=Bush because Barack says so. Obama has done nothing but try to link McCain to Bush..4 more years of the same...Voted "with Bush" 90% of the time...

I'm not linking sh1t to you Roman. I don't care to prove myself right to you, because you don't understand a damn thing...and if you dont..you twist it to sound like you do.

You just started blaming Republicans for big government when you support Barack Obama..he is calling for the largest increase in government spending during a campaign in the history of our nation. You are far more guilty of not understanding what you want...Do you support big government or not?

And please tell me when I have EVER changed position...you live in a fantasy world..

McCain and W are very,very similiar. McCain does vote for many of theings that W supports/wants, 90% IS CORRECT. Obama has done many things to link McCain to W, you are obviously not reading his website or paying attention to his speeches (probably not even listening to them at all imho).

Roman understands by far more than you ever will Casey.

Republicans are to blame primarily for the financial crisis, Democrats shoulder some blame too, but the Repubican W and Dick have been in charge for the last 8 damned years, and the GOP had control of the both houses of Congress until 2 years ago and they still have enough members to block a lot of things Democrats try to pass.

Casey, you'd fit right in at DR sine they've got a few just like you over there and I got banned for opposing them.

Casey, if you were a big boy, which you are not, you would have acknowledged that I came back the very next day and posted that I was wrong and you were right about that issue. Of course, you would never acknowledge you were wrong about something. Then again, you admitting every time you were wrong would require a great deal of bandwidth. I said that I thought it was a revenue bill, which would require the House to act first. Of course, you choose to continue playing your word games and to continue on your petty little way.

Sweet, Awesome post Jess.

Edited October 4, 200817 yr by Mulder

Thanks GGL for the head's up on my post. I'm a little gun shy posting here so that helped.

Casey, this administration has spent a lot of money with little revenue coming in. NCLB is a government mandate (Bush policy). So both parties advocate government intervention except when it comes to money. Then the republicans advocate little gov't regulation or intervention. I still say, why not have it both ways? Provide leadership and guidance for both.

Anyway, I respect your opinion,even though we don't agree.

While being bored at work, I came across an article in Rolling Stone (Oct.16,2008 issue) I don't have exact link but you can find it at Rolling Stone.com. It is a very telling article on John McCain entitled Make-Believe Maverick. I suggest you read it and decide for yourself. You know that after today's article in M, the McCain campaign will once again be resorting to fear and smear tactics.

Yep, he asks what I was talking about, when you post the article, he says the article isn't right. That is the Casey way, twist everyone's words, pick fights and then whine about personal attacks. Wales should watch out, he soon is to be displaced as the most disrespectful poster on the thread. So far it's been Roman, me, Dr. Jay, Mulder and Wales. I think it's back to Roman, perhaps me. I can only hope.

Why dont you worry about yourself instead of me...If you look back..I rarely ever start the fights...Roman, you, and Wales are the ONLY ones that want to pick a fight...Your last two posts are prime examples of this. If you didn't want to fight with me then why wont you keep your big nose out of it? [My guess]...you cant help yourself...

I am merely responding to your critisism...not picking a fight..Do you understand the concept of fight picking? I would consider it to be the poster that starts the crap...Today..Jess that is YOU!

Thanks GGL for the head's up on my post. I'm a little gun shy posting here so that helped.

asey, this administration has spent a lot of money with little revenue coming in. NCLB is a government mandate (Bush policy). So both parties advocate government intervention except when it comes to money. Then the republicans advocate little gov't regulation or intervention. I still say, why not have it both ways? Provide leadership and guidance for both...

Anyway, I respect your opinion,even though we don't agree..

Thank you..that is appreciated..I appreciate your view points as well. You are very civil in laying out your beliefs and are one of the few posters that don't have me on the defensive all day long..

While being bored at work, I came across an article in Rolling Stone (Oct.16,2008 issue) I don't have exact link but you can find it at Rolling Stone.com. It is a very telling article on John McCain entitled Make-Believe Maverick. I suggest you read it and decide for yourself. You know that after today's article in M, the McCain campaign will once again be resorting to fear and smear tactics.

If you guys have an issue with spending then I can assure that McCain will spend LESS than Obama...Bush smush...He's almost out. My concern with spending will result in my vote going for McCain..

Edited October 4, 200817 yr by Casey008

McCain and W are very,very similiar. McCain does vote for many of theings that W supports/wants, 90% IS CORRECT. Obama has done many things to link McCain to W, you are obviously not reading his website or paying attention to his speeches (probably not even listening to them at all imho).

What are you talking about? That is exactly what I said Obama does..never said anything to the contrary.

I dont know why I even respond to you Mulder, because you never even read my responses.

Roman understands by far more than you ever will Casey.)

..This is in defense of the guy (Roman) that said he has been waiting since July for the October surprise...

Not a great display of understanding from your pal Roman..

Republicans are to blame primarily for the financial crisis,

How?

Democrats shoulder some blame too, but the Repubican W and Dick have been in charge for the last 8 damned years, and the GOP had control of the both houses of Congress until 2 years ago and they still have enough members to block a lot of things Democrats try to pass.

The Republicans never passed any legislation that added to this mess. I will give you the fact that they passed no regulation to stop it either. The Dems got the ball rolling with this mess in 1977 under Carter with the Community Reinvestment Act...again in 1995 with provisions from Clinton. IA that the Republicans should have rolled this back while they were in power..You can use the flip of your argument, in that, the Republicans, while in power did not have enough of the majority to keep the Dems from blocking their legislation..

Casey, you'd fit right in at DR sine they've got a few just like you over there and

I have no idea what the DR is...Do you mean Drudge??

I got banned for opposing them.

I couldn't imagine why..your arguments are so tactful...

I guess now I will be considered to be picking a fight with you and Jess today...even though ya'll are calling me out first...Doesn't matter to you...if I respond...I am the one picking the fight!

Edited October 4, 200817 yr by Casey008

That's exactly how I feel too!

Steve

I think the Republicans will be better for humanity and the future of our country. I don't want to see us becoming more dependent on government to solve all of our problems. IE universal healthcare and almost a trillion dollars in new spending.

Taxes are not the only issue that I side with the Republicans on, although they are important. I feel everyone should be given a tax break..the middle class, lower class, upper class, and businesses. (McCain's plan) While reigning in spending..not increasing it by leaps and bounds. The Democrats, through taxes, want to pit the classes against one another by redistributing wealth and acheivement through healthcare and tax rebates.

The most important issue to me is our nation's safety. For the sake of my family, I want a strong president that understands fully the dangers of Iran and terrorism as a whole. I want a president that understands the strategic placement of our troops in Iraq in regard to Iran. I want to keep fighting in the middle east, instead of pulling out and strengthening the possibility that we will one day be fighting in our back yard.

But of course if you feel the trillion dollars would be better spent supporting the have nots in our country instead of keeping us safe, then I can understand your belief..I just don't share it. I feel that our country above all others, gives the opportunity to succeed on your own and not have to rely on government. Past generations have understood this and that is what made us the strongest nation in the world...The "Age of Obama" and the path to government dependency, that he will ask us to follow, is very scary to me..

There has been numerous studies that say the USA is just a vulnerable now than it was in 2001 and that's when a Republican has been in the White House. You can not dispute that.

Secondly, you say that Repubs mean "less intrusion" into our lives, but I disagree. That's an RNC talking point. Which party wants to legistlate morality in the form of a constitutional amendent barring gays from marriage? Or a woman's right to choose? It ain't the Dems. That IS government intrusion into our lives.

And I can only assume by "big government" you are referring to domestic spending. Because, my friend, there's no denying that the current Republican leadership is, my definition, big government in Iraq and Afganistan. And then the Repubs complain about spending money locally on people devastated by a natural disaster but have no problem spending all that billions of dollars in Iraq. For me, that makes no sense. Why spend more money abroad on an illegal war than on people needing assistance after a devastating storm?

Obama has a logical plan to bring our troops home over time and will eventually save the budget a lot of money. That makes sense to me.

What it boils down to is that you support big government, and I dont..

See above.

Thanks GGL for the head's up on my post. I'm a little gun shy posting here so that helped.

NP, UCLAN. Everyone here is great to post with. And you're doing a great job with your arguments, IMO.

And now it's time for TRUE STORY. I am not embellishing this in anyway for dramatic effect...

When my partner and I were driving home this morning from our vacation, we passed a Mini-Van with a McCain/Palin sticker. We have an Obama sticker on our Element. No big deal, we passed them in the fast lane and proceeded on our way. In a few minutes, the Mini-Van passed us on the left and merged in front of us and proceeded to slow down. Obviously, we passed them back (our cruise control was on, so we were maintaining the same speed throughout our drive). Sure enough, the Mini-Van reappeared a few minutes later in the fast lane with the passenger raising her fists in the air. They passed us and again got in front of us and slowed down. Ugh. So one last time we passed them on the left and merged over several cars ahead. The rest area was coming up, so we got in the slow lane to exit and the Mini-Van was two lanes over in the left hand lane passing by again. Once we were in the exit lane, they crossed 3 lanes of traffic to exit at the rest area in front of us. However, they said nothing when we got out of the car. We didn't see them anymore once they left the rest area.

It was surreal.

Casey, if you were a big boy, which you are not, you would have acknowledged that I came back the very next day and posted that I was wrong and you were right about that issue. Of course, you would never acknowledge you were wrong about something. Then again, you admitting every time you were wrong would require a great deal of bandwidth. I said that I thought it was a revenue bill, which would require the House to act first. Of course, you choose to continue playing your word games and to continue on your petty little way.

Maybe I'm one of the people too. What I said is that it would make no sense for the Senate to vote on the bill that the House rejected. When they came up with the revision, I said that it made sense for the Senate to vote on the revised version.

I don't see the point in bringing this up since you did come back and say you were wrong and I never said that they could not vote on it. I said it would not make sense to vote on the same one. So maybe it's a total comprehension problem or simple disregard.....in either case....what else is new? Same story different day.