Members Wales2004 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Pelosi was just an easy excuse that makes them look childish. Here's what Sam Stein posted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 The Failure of "Because I Say So" Harry Shearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Damn! Newt the Nuke is taking aim at his own party. All I have to say is this made the GOP look pretty bad. I know people say that the public was overwhelmingly against this, but I'm not seeing it. I know that people who were against it called Congress, but people I talk to say things like they did not know the effect not passing the bill would have on average joes. They thought it was just saving fat cats. That is the good and the bad. Had Congress passed the bill, no one would have known that it was a good thing. Now Congress did not pass the bill, the stock market went into a free fall and now the public blames Congress for not having the courage to pass the bill. Tis a mess. You know, I do not get the McCain/Palin team. Do they really think that banning the media is a good thing? Even conservatives like Maureen Dowd. Drudge likes Maureen Dowd. She's consistent. Amazing. I just think everything McCain is doing these days, he's doing out of anger. The unfortunate thing is I still think he has a very good chance of winning this election. I truly worry about the gap between registered voters and likely voters. I also worry about the "Bradley Effect". Can you imagine John McCain bringing the decision making skills he has displayed the past two weeks to the White House? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Happy Birthday Dr. Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 It was ill-timed. But, as bad as it comes off, here's my thing.... They never listened to her before. NOW you do? Ignore the woman! And NG? I wonder what tree stump he's hiding under this morning? I was watching that live when she said that, and the guy who said "Surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise" had me rolling. Gingrich torpedoed his own party for his selfish gain. The RP is just imploding right before my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Jay S.W. Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Thank you Jess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Well now I can rejoice at the thought of Newt Gingrich running for President in four years. I don't care about polls because I don't think they're accurate whether or not people tell the truth when polled.....though in some cases they can be informational. The election will come down to the economy because as we get closer to the end of next month, people will become more concerned about the holidays and what they can afford to do. I would have agreed with you on McCain's chances before Palin but I think some of the people that absolutely don't want to vote for Obama aren't likely to vote for McCain because of Palin. People with extreme racist convictions may choose racism over the economy but I think the number that is likely to do that is going to start to go down.....they just won't tell their friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 I do not think bigots would support the Democratic Party period. Maybe the bigots will stay at home. I hope so. You know though bigots are stupid and they probably are too stupid to be offended by McCain's cynical selection of Palin. Oh, let me make it perfectly clear that I do not think that McCain panders to bigots, nor do I think most of the Republican Party pander to bigots. I just think Democrats are tied in to the civil rights movements and are advocates of civil rights for people of color, low income people and gays and lesbians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 There's a split in that party and it's not over voting for this or that, it's over who the leader is. It's not Bush and it's not McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 I was thinking more along the lines of some of them not voting. I don't think bigots are all stupid. I think there are those who are ignorant about certain things....race being one of them. There are Democrats who are like that as well and I think those that are not as extreme and may just have an issue with "change" might come around depending on the effects the economy has on them. I don't think the Republican party panders to bigots either but I do think that bigots are more attracted to that party than the other. Part of that is because the Republican party looks more exclusive and the label that they are the party of the rich. Even though there are plenty of rich Democrats, the civil rights connections make them appear the more inclusive party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Bill Clinton is the star of McCain's new national ad. My reaction... Like I haven't heard of Rick Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 I wonder what BC will say now about the McCain campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 OOOPS, I was wrong and Casey was right. The Senate can vote on the rescue package first. I thought it was a revenue bill and they have to originate in the House. My boo boo. I think John McCain and Barack Obama would be well-served to never mention the other in ad for the remainder of this campaign. McCain has not had a positive ad -- well I can not remember him ever having a positive ad. It's just exhausting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 I still don't think it makes any sense for the Senate to waste time voting on something that will require a re-vote since the hurdle remains with the House. IA with you on the ads....especially the negative ones. I just read this a little while ago: The ESF has about $50.1 billion, $50 billion of which it made temporarily available on the 19th to guarantee deposits in certain money market funds so they probably won't be able to do much "as creatively as possible." The big irony is the housing bill was sponsored by none other than Nancy Pelosi with no bipartisan support, and there's a possibility that what McCain is suggesting could bankrupt the FHA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jess Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 I agree about the Senate. There is no reason for it to act unless it wants to show the House how big boys and girls behave. I didn't know that about the ESF. It's just another gimmick. Now really is not the time for gimmicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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